I think that this entire process makes you take down your walls and realize what you really want out of life.

I deemed myself straight as an arrow as a guy, but when I started breaking these barriers via therapy and now 48 days on HRT I realized that I have 0 sexual interest in women and can't wait until I look enough like myself to be with a man.

I don't think you need to let this stress you out. Be the best you that you can be regardless of how that is !

I don't know if being on hormones has much of anything to do with your own sexual orientation, maybe it changes it a little, as has been said before. Before I came out as trans, I was also a closeted bisexual. At that point I was about 80-20 in favor of girls, but now I'm probably more like 50-50. I have only been on hormones a month and a half (my sex drive has already come down more to a respectable level) Again, not sure if it was the hormones, but I was already drifting that way, and being able to come out now and be myself maybe opened me up in the sexual orientation department as well.

QuoteWhat i neglected to say in the OP was that i never had sex before (I'm 23) and want to with a women.
If you meant vaginaplasty, i will have that done BUT i hope to still be attracted to women and masturbate... bodily discharge included.

I never had sex before transition and that was at 23 too. But my "attaction" to women was mostly of the "I want to be her"-kind. I had 2 lesbian relationships post op, so I was attracted to women - I think they just make much better living partners than guys. I was in lesbian organizations and event organization as well. That said, I am confused and not really sure that I would say I would not mind about it, even though others have said that, but I keep having some surges of weird feelings towards men. Pre-transition I had it once only, later more often - some guys just come along, do some stuff with their hands and I am getting blood into body parts that I would not have thought would react to that. So I guess I am bisexual (probably like most people really) but I am thoroughly confused about it. I feel somehow that I might really want to try having sex with a guy but I cannot imagine really living together with one as a partner. I am not even sure about the sex part, maybe it is just fun in fantasy.

IF Hormones played a role in it - I dont know. Maybe they opened up some things, maybe they let me feel something more that I had not felt that much earlier, maybe it is more about transition than HT as I can now more openly imagine to be attracted to guys as well. Though its weird - I did not feel such an effect until years of being post-op

Dahlia : On the other hand, there's something I got out of HRT that gay cis people don't. Being treated as an attractive woman by a straight man is INFINITELY different from being treated as a desirable man by a gay man... which is where that extra 10% of attraction came from, in that now there's a few men I think are super hot and always have, but also a few who, when they *interact* with me in ways that prove they think *I'm* hot, can get my engine running a little.

(I'm married, so generally this attraction is theoretical and inside my head; there may be some light flirting, but there it ends.)

I don't believe anyone changes orientation based on HRT. Instead, I believe people stop lying to themselves. And believe me, we can lie to ourselves pretty convincingly. I know!

Quote from: LizMarie on December 18, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
I don't believe anyone changes orientation based on HRT. Instead, I believe people stop lying to themselves. And believe me, we can lie to ourselves pretty convincingly. I know!

I don't know about that.  I know people who were pretty openly gay and disgusted by men who found that changing with hormones.  Most of it probably is social and mental perception than a hormonal thing, but I'm sure hormones can play a role.  I've always been straight, but I have been extremely boy crazy (more so than ever) since I have started hrt.  It feels like it's been reinforcing my sexuality in a weird way. Then again, it doesn't work on gay people to convert, so it's a weird topic.  Maybe it hasn't been studied enough?  All I can say is follow your heart and love who you love.  There is nothing wrong with being gay, straight or bi.  Just be you.

For myself HRT has not changed my orientation whatsoever. Perhaps it has enhanced the emotions & I feel just more & more normal & relaxed. I consider myself a hetrosexual woman & fully enjoy relationships with hetrosexual type men.

HRT merely changed my perception of my sexual orientation. I was 'bi/pan' before, and still am. But I see men differently now that I see myself as a woman, and I'm more attracted to them than I was before. Since that was the more noticeable change, I thought 'oh noes, I'm straight!' but, my attraction to women took a bit more time to figure out and readjust to. It used to be an aesthetic focus, now it's more of an emotional/personality focus. No wonder it took longer! As a guy, fueled by testosterone, I was obsessed with breasts. Now, I like them but... I have them too. They're less of a focus and priority now.

So the major things that changed were just how I see myself with men or women, and what I look for in them.

Quote from: learningtolive on December 18, 2013, 09:02:07 PM
I've always been straight, but I have been extremely boy crazy (more so than ever) since I have started hrt.  It feels like it's been reinforcing my sexuality in a weird way. Then again, it doesn't work on gay people to convert, so it's a weird topic. 

Personally I think HT does something in our brains - For those born with a female  brain (read all of this vice versa for FtMs), the brain (and sexuality is staring there) has been deprived of the proper hormones for a long time. When that is set right, it does what it originally would have done. So if that brain is one of the 5-10% (?) homosexuals (which is IIRC the statistics for the general population), one still would be attracted to women, in the remaining 90% there might be some more or less strong sense of being bisexual (or being heterosexual). How well this plays out is probably also a social thing - if you have been married and with women all your life and transition later, you might not want to change that and thus not do it. If you are a teenager, you may just experiment and not be that influenced by social experiences in your past.

I find this a very interesting topic for me. Prior to starting on HRT (both times that I have transitioned) I have always been attracted to women, but all the women that I dated (and even in one case married), were women that I was attracted to , but secretly wished to be them as they were incredibly sexy and my image of what I wanted to be. Sporty, but really sexy especially in a bikini or in a nice dress. Sexually I was "lusting after them" but driven as a man full of T. Since being on Oestrogen my orientation has changed a little. Before it was 100% female oriented, but now I would probably admit to being 80% female oriented to 20% Male, since as my T levels have gone down and now Oestrogen is the dominant hormone in my body T less that 1 .

However I have found my attraction to other women dramatically changed in that  whilst I still see them as attractive as a sexual partner, these days what I want and which is now very important to me is to have  them as emotional partners. What I want and need is for them to be a soul partners. Now I want to be emotionally developed enough to love them and them to love me. I love the way a woman looks at me, the way they gently caress my skin, my thighs and especially my breasts and nipples. I love the way that women can linger over kissing all of the body , the way a woman sounds as they get turned on and can be gently brought to multiple orgasms.  In this way I find myself emotionally and sexually connected in a way that I wasn't before. What helps is that I now have this musky female smell about me and my partners tell me that I am definitely more female in touch, smell and sense. Lovemaking is now 1000% more sensual. Interestingly I have had a relationship with another Transsexual women (both of us pre-op) and whilst it didn't last it was very fulfilling at least for me. So I suppose I am traditional lesbian, but probably a lipstick femme, but I am definitely attracted to a soft butch woman. Not Butch dyke women at all.
Judith

Quote from: Madison (kiara jamie) on December 17, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
secondly your attraction to women will change, you will stop finding them attractive as a sexual object and start finding them attractive as a soul, for me it felt like before i was just lusting and now i am actually emotionally developed enough to love them, the way they look at me, the way they gently caress my skin, the way they sound when they are getting turned on.... one sec i am a little warm now, just deep breaths lol, my damn mind has so much control of my libido

Have you not read the rest of the thread? If she's attracted to women now, that's not likely to change..

Pre HRT: Guys did nothing for me.

Still on HRT/Post Orchi/GRS is never happening: Guys still do nothing for me.

Pre HRT 75% guy, 25% female sexually. Emotionally I connected with nice people. HRT 16 months 75% guy, 25% female and I connect with nice people. 

as a teenager, pre-HRT I was 100% into girls, I thought there was nothing that could change that, the male body, well it was a turn off. Into HRT that started to change, now the idea of me being with a woman is just the weirdest of many weird things I think of.

You may love the female form, hrt does funny things, for many it will never change who they'll like to bed, but for some it opens new doors and closes others.

Sexual orientation does not change in anyone. The only thing that changes is that one does not consciously or unconsciously suppress it anymore. How we are socialized early on tends to cognitively force suppression whether or not we realize it; especially if one is raised in a family where anything GLBT is a grievous wrong. People that were hardcore "straight" people prior to transitioning will eventually become more comfortable with who they are which may break down the mental walls suppressing their sexual orientation. During this process they think HRT "changed" their sexual orientation, but all doesn't. The only thing that changes is self-acceptance.

Quote from: Nicole on September 30, 2014, 10:36:38 PM
as a teenager, pre-HRT I was 100% into girls, I thought there was nothing that could change that, the male body, well it was a turn off. Into HRT that started to change, now the idea of me being with a woman is just the weirdest of many weird things I think of.

You may love the female form, hrt does funny things, for many it will never change who they'll like to bed, but for some it opens new doors and closes others.

HRT may do funny things, but one thing it doesn't do is change your sexual orientation - otherwise hormones would be a 'cure' for homosexuality and it isn't. Ask Alan Turing.

I think if you have the right body and feel youtself attractive in your own gendered sexual body, this certainly has an effect on how you interact with others as potential partners. It cannot create an attraction but it can vastly increase it. I believe all people are bisexual, but in many it is like 99% preferrence towards one gender. I think to have the proper body may change some things - it may be a lot harder to relate to a man in a relationship when your body still is male - if you are heterosexual in other words but would have to do a gay relationship ? I think this may be a blocker for some... that is ended when transition happens.

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 01, 2014, 01:39:04 AM
HRT may do funny things, but one thing it doesn't do is change your sexual orientation - otherwise hormones would be a 'cure' for homosexuality and it isn't. Ask Alan Turing.

I never said it would it, I said it can, but it'll be a driving factor in doing so.
For me I believe that it played a big part, I can tell you before HRT there would have been no way in hell of me even holding hands with a male, but as hormones did their work, I started to really see myself as the female I was feeling and socially I found males more less of a turn off and more a turn on.
I had my SRS at 21, I've slept with 1 female since then, I've been with many men and even had loving relationships with some. Without ruling it out, I couldn't see myself with a female again.
I put this down to a number of things, one that I believe was hormones.
As for curing homosexuality, you can't cure what is not an illness.

Quote from: Nicole on October 01, 2014, 05:04:23 AM
I never said it would it, I said it can, but it'll be a driving factor in doing so.
For me I believe that it played a big part, I can tell you before HRT there would have been no way in hell of me even holding hands with a male, but as hormones did their work, I started to really see myself as the female I was feeling and socially I found males more less of a turn off and more a turn on.
I had my SRS at 21, I've slept with 1 female since then, I've been with many men and even had loving relationships with some. Without ruling it out, I couldn't see myself with a female again.
I put this down to a number of things, one that I believe was hormones.
As for curing homosexuality, you can't cure what is not an illness.

So what you are saying, is that in the process of transition and growing in to yourself, you accepted that you were a straight woman. That's great. Doesn't mean it was the hormones - in fact the science, such as there is, suggests that the hormones were not causative. I wasn't suggesting that homosexuality was an illness, hence the use of 'cure', what I was suggesting was that there is evidence to support the idea that hormones do not cause a change in sexual orientation.

Pretty much is a "Deal With it Thing". This is one of the threads that keep popping constantly. I prepared myself to try and accept that things could change... I developed a Sexual attraction to men withot losing the one I had for women, but just sexual. I can't stand them, and a serious relationship is impossible for me with them. Regarding the sexual practices preferences, I was a switch before, so things are the same on HRT: I prefer to be a bottom, I can work as a top without having a mental dysphoric breakdown.

So basically. I gained an additional sexual orientation, just sexual. Emotional and Romantical stuff remained the same, women only. The rest is still the same.