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why is transgender seen as such an undesireable word

Started by evecrook, December 18, 2013, 06:11:34 PM

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evecrook

I found out as of 2011 the transgender population in the U.S was approximately 0.3 % that's close to 700.000 people which is a minority among the rest of lgbt.   I had a heated argument once with a psychiatrist I knew in the gay community who was himself gay. He got mad at me for insisting the word homosexual was merely a descriptive term used to describe someone's sexual preference .He compared the use of the word homosexual as derogatory. It seems a lot of the trans community is doing the same thing, believing the word transgender is derogatory when it's merely descriptive. everybody has the right to live their only life that god gave them the way they please. I was just wondering why are people so afraid of the word to describe themselves. It's just a factual descriptive term.
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Tessa James

And a rose will smell as sweet by any name.  With due apologies to Mr Shakespeare but transgender can also be viewed as simply a word while we add the weight, depth and context.

Eve it is more than the word or descriptor to many here.  Some clearly see transgender as part of a process of confirming their better aligned identity rather than an end unto itself.  Many will not want the label and baggage while obviously seeing themselves simply as men and women after and even prior to transition. 

Sometimes the label can be overwhelming and obscure every thing else we are and have done in our lives.  At my age I can refer to any number of labels or titles including great grand parent.  I would guess most of us want to be acknowledged for the richness of our lives and the complexity of our character.  One word just wont do justice to your life.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Missy~rmdlm

People do things under the large umbrella term 'transgender' that I do not agree with. I use the term transsexual, since I am going through through a rather large process of changing the way I live my life with requisite sex change. I am also called 'pre-op' because I have I have a surgery for SRS scheduled in April.
When transition including SRS is further along I will likely drop my personal usage of transsexual in favor of just being a woman. I have taken my transition far further many using the term transgender do. I have risked my job, life, and factually lost many relationships to disclose my gender change, change my name, then convert to living full time.
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Isabelle

I don't like being referred to as a transgender person, I think the word is lazy when used to describe an individual and erases the uniqueness of those that are considered part of the term.




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Devlyn

See though, you're posting on a transgender umbrella site. That's what the place is founded on. Saying you don't like the umbrella concept here is akin to walking into an NAACP meeting and announcing that the back of the bus rules have returned.  These comments are really out of place here.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Miss_Bungle1991

Meh...I'm trans and I will always be trans. It is what it is...life goes on.
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Katie

Its probably seen as a negative word by the rest of the world because the greatest number of trans people HIDE in the shadows and don't stand up for themselves.
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Isabelle

Devlyn,
I know this is an umbrella site :) I have no problem with that, I just prefer to identify as a transsexual as that describes me best. It's not a competition. Umbrella terms are always like this, they erase uniqueness.
Think of the term "Asian" it's a meaningless construct. Japanese people are different than Koreans, who are in turn different from Chinese and Indians,

You can say the same about any umbrella term.
I don't like being called "white" for this exact reason. It's a homogenizing term.

Uniqueness is beautiful and should be celebrated.
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anjaq

I dont like the term for myself and rather describe myself differently because frankly transgender is too much of a broad description. Its like saying one works in "IT". Then I dont know what that person does - Java programming? Assembler Coding? Or selling computers? I dont think the term is bad it is just vastly imprecise and I dont want people to make asumptions about myself by using that term for me. Thus I may say I have a transsexual past or I am a woman born with a largely male body or whatever else. If i want to choose a less precise term for myself because I dont want people to know I had a SRS or whatever else, I will just call myself a woman - I personally align more with being a woman than with being a transgender - meaning I feel that I have more in commin with the large group of women overall than with the not that small group of transgenders of which only a fraction is similar to myself. So as a purely decriptive umbrella term - I guess it is ok - but I still do not really like the term for myself.

One reason i dont like it is that it somehow implies by its wording trans-GENDER, that I am somehow having an issue with my gender or gender identity. People also day gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder. There is nothing wrong with my gender - I am female - I have an issue with my body which is not fitting to that gender of mine and the body has a sex and that sex does not match my gender , so if anything, trans-SEX-ual, even if it contains "sex" seems to me a better description really. I am also having a SRS and not a GRS - as I am changing my body, not my gender. If that all makes sense (gender=being male or female in mind & soul, sex=being male or female on a physical level of the body including genitals)

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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Katie on December 18, 2013, 07:43:43 PM
Its probably seen as a negative word by the rest of the world because the greatest number of trans people HIDE in the shadows and don't stand up for themselves.

You can stand up for yourself without making yourself a target. Sorry, but I'm not doing that just for the sake of other people. It's my life to live, not their's.
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peky

Quote from: Missy~rmdlm on December 18, 2013, 06:34:57 PM
People do things under the large umbrella term 'transgender' that I do not agree with. I use the term transsexual, since I am going through through a rather large process of changing the way I live my life with requisite sex change. I am also called 'pre-op' because I have I have a surgery for SRS scheduled in April.
When transition including SRS is further along I will likely drop my personal usage of transsexual in favor of just being a woman. I have taken my transition far further many using the term transgender do. I have risked my job, life, and factually lost many relationships to disclose my gender change, change my name, then convert to living full time.

I am ahead of you dahrling...LOL... I dropped the trans anything long ago... I hate them all...they mean nothing... I was born female and I will die one with or without the surgery or the hormones...

It is like the term "Hispanic"... what the hell is that, it is not race, it is not nationality, what it is.... it is a term to set the "us" versus "them... the same for transgender versus cisgender
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peky

Quote from: Isabelle on December 18, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
I don't like being referred to as a transgender person, I think the word is lazy when used to describe an individual and erases the uniqueness of those that are considered part of the term.






hey! forgot the she-male and the female impersonators...I think they are also covered by the transgender umbrella
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Adam (birkin)

Quote from: Orange Creamsicle on December 18, 2013, 06:23:45 PM
The reason why, I believe, is it's one of those descriptors that when you are known as it, it seems to become the only thing about you to other people.  While there are many different parts to a person, once that word comes in, nothing else seems to be important to other people.

I think OC's hit it right on the head here. As soon as people know about my past, they just can't seem to think of anything else. It's like all my other interests and characteristics suddenly ceased to exist. So I prefer to avoid the term.
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Ltl89

Honestly, even if I am in the transgender umbrella and technically transsexual, I hate the terms.  I don't know.  It's probably because society has created a negative connotation around those terms .  I just prefer seeing myself as a girl, but I know I'll always be a transgirl no matter what.  There is nothing wrong with being trans, it's just hard for me.  I guess I have this dream of living just like any other cis girl does that I don't like making a distinction between me and them, even if that distinction makes sense because of my birth status. 
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Isabelle

Quote from: peky on December 18, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
hey! forgot the she-male and the female impersonators...I think they are also covered by the transgender umbrella

Yup, there's probably a vagillion terms that have been missed out in that picture, I just linked to it as a visual example. Everyone is on the gender spectrum somewhere, that doesn't mean it's all the same rainbow though.

I'm just not a fan of terms that erase identity for the sake of "simplicity" 
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sam79

Quote from: learningtolive on December 18, 2013, 08:47:08 PM
Honestly, even if I am in the transgender umbrella and technically transsexual, I hate the terms.  I don't know.  It's probably because society has created a negative connotation around those terms .  I just prefer seeing myself as a girl, but I know I'll always be a transgirl no matter what.  There is nothing wrong with being trans, it's just hard for me.  I guess I have this dream of living just like any other cis girl does that I don't like making a distinction between me and them, even if that distinction makes sense because of my birth status.

As one recent representative from a LGBTQI group asked me recently, "Do you identify as transgender woman or just a woman". To which I said, aside of the technicality of it, I'm just a normal everyday woman. Nothing more, nothing less.

I believe that one day my trans status will be forgotten. By me, and by those who already know.
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Tori

To paraphrase George Carlin: Words are neither good nor bad. Context makes them so.


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Ashey

I'm scared to call myself a woman and nothing else. :-\ I feel it's disingenuous, but this might just be a self-esteem issue, or a desire to be 'acceptable' to cis-people that would confront me about it. Which I know, it's an awful attitude to have. So I've been clinging to 'transsexual woman' as my gender identity, but I just don't know half the time. I mean, I blame my therapist in a way for getting me on that track. At one point, I may have readily accepted becoming a woman, but he got me thinking about alternative viewpoints, and some genderqueer-type stuff. So my gender identity started getting wobbly. Then reading comments from people that consider transsexuals 'delusional' for thinking they're 'real women' just made me really unsure about myself. It didn't impact my desire to transition, or anything like that, just... how I define myself I guess.

In making my 'unicorn' thread, I did think about the positive aspects of being trans*, and that if I am secure in that identification, I could maybe be another positive and visible example of the community. Which is ironic, because before transitioning, I had no concept of 'transgender pride', like how the LGB community celebrates it. Now, I'd like to say I could make something of it, and maybe be an 'out and proud transsexual', but I don't really know. Perhaps time will tell. But I do know I would have difficulties choosing to go stealth, and to bury the trans* part of me and leave it behind. On the other hand, I also know that I naturally consider myself female, and will often refer to myself as such without thinking twice about it. I look in the mirror and register as female.

So for me? I'm just torn between embracing and abandoning the trans* label... 
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Sammy

Well, transgender is way too broad and it encompasses too much of everything while failing at being specific. One of reasons I am not very OK with it, because I have seen way to many ads on boards dedicated to transsexuals and transgender, where You can see things You would normally prefer not to see. And while this site is kinda dedicated to include the whole umbrella - even here we dont get to see pics with unshaved guys wearing lingerie and showing "excitement" with parts of their bodies... In other words, in many cases the term is misused as being about sex and not gender expression. Male sex drive, male libido, sex, sex, sex and yeah, female wardrobe as an added bonus. And those kinky guys describe themselves as tgirls, trans and transgender. And they have a whole bunch of ->-bleeped-<-s too who posts ads like this ,,Looking for feminine and slender trans/tgirl. HE should be such and have this." I once made my own ad, and I got a couple of replies asking for my pic and whether I am cleanly shaved... I did not bother to reply to any of them, but asking a tranwoman if she shaves and epilates....
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Doctorwho?

Personally I think the problem is that in their enthusiasm to build a strong and diverse community out of what was basically an assortment of tiny populations of very different conditions, the transgender builders defined a term so broad and inclusive that it lost any useful ability to illuminate, and thus lead to understanding of the person to whom it was applied.

The problem with applying such a broad label to oneself is that it carries a great number of firm expectations and understandings, within those who even know what it is, most of which simply won't match the reality of ones life as it has been. So for example if I apply the label, people might assume that I have had some negative feelings about my gender at one time or another, which would be incorrect.

Or people assume that it is an ongoing thing, - which is also wrong, my journey of discovery ended many many decades ago.

Or people assume that I must have had loads of therapy and "issues" - which I haven't.

Or maybe someone might assume that I have faced hostility, prejudice and powerlessness... Well some of that is right, but again in a completely contrary way to the expectation, because as a member of the uk upper middle class I have actually lead a life of immense entitlement, privilege and unfair advantage. So while I have faced hostility and prejudice, it was mainly because of my social class and power, and not because I have ever been dis-empowered or excluded. In short I've been (wrongly) accused of being an arrogant oppressor, but not of being a powerless misfit.

So the problem with the label is that it has so many connotations which simply don't apply that if I were to own it, most people who heard it about me would run away with completely false expectation about what my life has been.

Now once a label gets THAT misleading I think it's probably time to scrap it completely, admit that the attempt to be all inclusive was a bit of a disaster, and go back to smaller and better defined individual labels which allow people to understand the very real differences that exist between the various groups that have been lumped together to form this so called condition.

In other words the aspiration to build an inclusive catch all term dealing with sexual identity and gender expression may have been nobly motivated, but it simply hasn't proved helpful to a huge number of people, and so many of us have simply opted out, as indeed I have (see my signature below).

That isn't intended as any sort of slight, it's merely that I want people who "hear about me" to go away with an concept in their mind which bears some relationship to what my life has actually been like.

In my case I had a glorious adventure when I was young, and with full support and encouragement of my family, I was so ridiculously privileged and lucky that I got to make up my own rules, and choose aspects of my identity, by experiment, which most unfortunate people are simply born with.

That is how I define my experience of developing my sex and discovering my gender. I have not been gender dysphoric so much as gender euphoric, and that I think you will agree is just too far away from the normal connotations of the term transgender for it to be usefully applied. I suspect that many others have similar problems with it, and that is why it is not a popular term.
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