Just a small update, I just finished playing with the makeup samples I got from the Avon place (still sitting and typing here with the last combination on. :3)  Even though I don't really know the first thing other than one or two videos, especially about colors, I found that it was really easy to find what I liked or what worked on me.  So, basically, once you get some materials to work with, just go to town like a kid at her mom's makeup table, and you will be able to find a good look for yourself!

Quote from: nonameyet on December 26, 2013, 10:12:43 PM
okay. so im super pale but in that red faced way. and i feel like its going to be incredibly difficult to get the hang of makeup. and i dont have any experience except with eye makeup and lipstick and i need advice on buying and applying makeup. how do you know what colors work how many different layers do women typically wear. for that matter what layers are there


i just want to make my face look softer and prettier and cover up the color from my beard. how do you do these things. i can pick eye shadow colors. but combining them with foundation and blush and whatever else. im overwhelmed. what do i do.

Hey, I'm pale too! As the ladies said above, do not wear too much or others will suspect what you're trying to hide. So, I only wear a thin layer of powered foundation (along with a primer because it smooths out your makeup and makes your face look softer), mascara, eyeliner, a hint of blush, and lip gloss. That's it! Here are some links to what I use. They're cheap and not toxic like those in Walmart. Hope this helps.

http://www.iherb.com/honeybee-gardens-pressed-mineral-powder-geisha-0-26-oz-7-5-g/35155#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-us&w=geisha&rc=1&sr=null&ic=1?rcode=ali873

http://www.iherb.com/reviva-labs-hypoallergenic-mascara-superlash-black-25-oz/16626#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-us&w=reviva%20mascara&rc=2&sr=null&ic=1?rcode=ali873

http://www.iherb.com/reviva-labs-makeup-primer-1-fl-oz-29-5-ml/16611#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-us&w=reviva%20primer&rc=1&sr=null&ic=1?rcode=ali873

Quote from: noleen111 on December 27, 2013, 01:13:21 AM

The first thing i learnt was women wear more makeup at night than during the day.

I don't really wear that much makeup, but I do wear it most days. I only really do my eyes (eye liner, eye shadow and mascara) and I wear lipstick.  Darker colors are better at night and lighter colors for the day.

This!  And Victoria's post is very on point, too.

What always helped me when I was first starting out, was to remember that everyone is generally focused on themselves, so it's unlikely anyone is going to give you looks for being in a makeup section.  And for a while (and kinda still), I could only do eye makeup.  I learned this by grabbing a cheap L'oreal Smokey Eyeshadow kit, and just playing around with it, as well as some eyeliner.  It felt like a good learning tool, since the kit only has 3 shades, and they all work together.

Iif there's an Ulta or Sephora near you, think about going with a friend.  They might know what to ask, and I know my friend was able to help break the ice with the girls there.

Lastly, my friend got me hooked on Bare Minerals for foundation, Urban Decay for eyeshadow.  The colors are great, but they also apply easier.  Mineral foundations have the benefit of having a very natural texture when applied.  But the selling point she made is that makeup will have long-term effects on your face.  Its worthwhile to study why some foundations cost so much more than others.  Oh- and if you're grabbing eyeliner, consider one that rolls on, and not a pencil that pulls at the corners of your eyes, which can cause wrinkles after long-term use.

Hope this is helpful!

I prefer pencil liner as it glides on my lower lids waterline easily. Still can't do the top too well but who can? A lot of people just use a eyeshadow brush to apply liner to the top lid. I just let it go and use a nice thick mascara. When I was new at makeup my BF thought I looked scary, so just because you think you look good, doesn't make it so. But now he's like wow your makeup is so much better. Howd that happen. Practice! But how do others apply liner to the top lid. I could use liquid and it works but I'm not a fan of it. Who is? Lol

I wish I could use a lot less as I haven't had laser. I can't wit my makeup will be fab then.

Quote from: noleen111 on December 27, 2013, 01:13:21 AM
The first thing i learnt was women wear more makeup at night than during the day.

At night, I am too busy having dinner and drinking together with my friends and colleagues. Even I do not have time to wash out my makeup before sleeping. Sigh...

I think eye makeup is the essence.

barbie~~

O.M.G. Barbie you have to wash it offf. It takes a minute. Last night it took two mins to was my makeup off, moisturize, and apply retin-a. I used to use retin a all the time prehrt but it barely worked and made my flake. Now, wow, a little flaking but my skin is feeling softer and it's only been a week. It takes six months. By that time, if I get laser, I'll befinally be completely unpassasable....as a boy. I'm nearly there now.

but wash off ur makeup. I can't stress this enough. You will ruin your face, permanently. If you can't, I would only use bare minerals as a foundation. And even then.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on December 29, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
O.M.G. Barbie you have to wash it offf. It takes a minute. Last night it took two mins to was my makeup off, moisturize, and apply retin-a. I used to use retin a all the time prehrt but it barely worked and made my flake. Now, wow, a little flaking but my skin is feeling softer and it's only been a week. It takes six months. By that time, if I get laser, I'll befinally be completely unpassasable....as a boy. I'm nearly there now.

but wash off ur makeup. I can't stress this enough. You will ruin your face, permanently. If you can't, I would only use bare minerals as a foundation. And even then.

Yes. Joanna, I have a bunch of retina A products, but barely apply them at night... I will try to drink less and not to forget to apply retina A every night!

barbie~~

Do clean off your makeup at night though, for reals

First, Barbie your absolutely gorgeous! Please wash it off at night as you don't want to ruin that face!

As for me, being Native American I watch alot of You Tube videos by Princess Jules. She, being asian (like you Barbie) has a complexion and a small oval face like mine along with the long straight black hair (I really need to post a photo here I know) like mine her techniques and pointers have worked well for me. But there are other trans women on there with different complexions and face shapes. Do a little searching and find a girl that looks somewhat like you complexion and face shape wise and do a little watching. If you have the ability (as I have) download the videos that are of the most help to you.

In addition, I agree with the statement about Walgreens. I found the girls there very helpful in getting me started with a good foundation, eyeliner, etc. Since I have that reddish olive complexion with myself less is definately more. However I do have some scars from my accident in 91 I do my best to cover up that I haven't quite mastered yet on the left side of my face. I just gave myself a laser treatment today so at the moment I'm all naturale, lol!

There's some great advice here in this thread. I plan to follow it myself.

Quote from: Allyda on December 29, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
As for me, being Native American I watch alot of You Tube videos by Princess Jules. She, being asian (like you Barbie) has a complexion and a small oval face like mine along with the long straight black hair (I really need to post a photo here I know) like mine her techniques and pointers have worked well for me. But there are other trans women on there with different complexions and face shapes. Do a little searching and find a girl that looks somewhat like you complexion and face shape wise and do a little watching. If you have the ability (as I have) download the videos that are of the most help to you.

Allyda,

Thanks! But I am too old to look gorgeous.
Yes. I saw several people with heritage of native American. They usually have black hair, but it was difficult to tell any track.

I look anyway exotic in my own country. Flight attendants of Korean and Japanese airlines usually assume I am a kind of foreigner from South America and Southeast Asia, speaking to me in English. Some Korean attendants even speak to me in Japanese. And, some people think I am a native American, especially when my face is completely tanned in summer. Thus, I look exotic in any country.

Men at their 40s or 50s here in S. Korea are very busy working and socializing, having little time for taking care of their appearance. But young Korean men tend to invest more time and money to their beauty, probably No. 1 in the world.

barbie~~