Quote from: Chaos on December 28, 2013, 07:28:59 PM

So you feel that all the people in all the threads you have posted,the people who took their time and love to encourage you,was not worth a thank you because they 'jumped down your throat'? You are a child and I will leave it at that.God bless you.

I didn't say that, If it's that big of deal then don't even comment on my thread if your just gonna come here and argue with me, Or say things that you know is gonna make mad, Your a child to if I'm one foreal.....

Quote from: Brandon on December 28, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
, And are you with me 24/7 to know when I talk to God, I don' think so

I'm curious, what had God told you about your current situation of dealing with trans and family issues?  Has he given you a response in regards to those issues?

No, not at all. Things happen in my life for a reason. I may not understand them at that particular time but in due time I do. I think about why my trans identity wasn't revealed to me until I was nearly 57. Looking back on it now, if I had come out say in 1974 would I have been able to handle it?  Coupled with the fact that resources weren't plentiful and all the persecution toward TGLB people at the time, I don't know what would have happened to me.

God bless you Malachite.  You are indeed a wise man.  And yea.  Romans 8:28, one of my favorites.

Quote from: mowdan6 on December 29, 2013, 03:17:23 AM
God bless you Malachite.  You are indeed a wise man.  And yea.  Romans 8:28, one of my favorites.

Thank you, Mowdan.  I really do appreciate it.   Sometimes Romans 8:28 can be a hard scripture for me to deal with considering all the bad that goes on in the world, but since it's in the Bible, I believe it.

I'm not a theist, so I don't hold any resentment nowadays.  However, I was raised as a Catholic and was once devout.  During that phase of my life, I did feel a little resentful at times for having trans feelings and for not having the "right" sexual orientation.  In my head, it wasn't right that I wanted to be a girl and was attracted to men.  I carried a lot of shame for this because my religious upbringing and social interaction taught me it was wrong to be "queer" in any sense.  That made me resentful and left me with the sense of feeling forsaken.  Nowadays, I'm much more comfortable with who I am and don't openly hate my identity even though I still have issues that I'm not a cisgender person.  Any form of resentment towards a god has disappeared as there is no reason to feel shame.  Furthermore, I'm no longer a theist, so I can't resent something I don't really believe in. 

No matter what your faith or beliefs are, please don't ever feel shame for your gender identity or sexual orientation.  There's no reason to feel bad about yourself and carrying around resentment isn't always going to lead to the best mindset.  While it's not easy to accept or to deal with being trans, there is nothing wrong with it.  Still, I realize it's not always the easiest thing to deal with. 

Brandon, I wish you luck on your transition and hope you find the inner peace you are looking for.

Thank you for helping me understand....

There are a few things going on, all at the same time:  You are a trans-man who is not yet out to his family, you have seen too many men walk away from women once she became pregnant or had a child, you are a Christian in a largely secular society and you would really like the ability to father a child.  Your two core identities: Christian and being a Man tie all these things together.  That is enough to tie a person in knots.  But you are coping because as I stated earlier, you are a man, not just male.  There is a HUGE difference.

Out to family – it's about being honest – honoring your mother (Eph 6:2)  Somehow, at the right time, they will need to know
Men walking away - Love your neighbor as yourself.  (Mark 12:31) Somehow, find a way to help when you can.
Being a Christian – You are the salt of the earth.  (Matt. 5:13)  People have to know by your actions that you are a Christian.  (I really struggle with that one.  It's hard sometimes.)
You would like to father a child.  – God formed you in the womb.  (Jeremiah 1:5)  You are as He knew you would be and strength is made perfect in our weakness (2 Cor. 12:9, essentially, we learn to trust God more).   

The last one was really tough for me.  I really wanted children.  However, I am intersexed and sterile.  At the time, I only knew I couldn't father children.  That hurt bad.  For a long time.  Then, God brought someone in my life who loved me.  She could not have children anymore.  Had I been able to have children, I would have missed the love of my life.  And while her children are now grown, the Grandchildren love me as they love no other. 

What to do?  Start where God directs.  However, remember that the most powerful servants of God had to grow in their relationship with Him before they served (Moses ran into the wilderness and after several years then God spoke to him and put him into service (Exodus 2), Apostle Paul was converted and spent three years in Arabia before he started to serve (Gal 1:17-20)

Learn, grow and serve.  You can't change the world, God can, one person at a time.  It's not easy.

Hugs in Christ,

Jen

Quote from: JLT1 on December 29, 2013, 09:53:24 PM
Thank you for helping me understand....

There are a few things going on, all at the same time:  You are a trans-man who is not yet out to his family, you have seen too many men walk away from women once she became pregnant or had a child, you are a Christian in a largely secular society and you would really like the ability to father a child.  Your two core identities: Christian and being a Man tie all these things together.  That is enough to tie a person in knots.  But you are coping because as I stated earlier, you are a man, not just male.  There is a HUGE difference.

Out to family – it's about being honest – honoring your mother (Eph 6:2)  Somehow, at the right time, they will need to know
Men walking away - Love your neighbor as yourself.  (Mark 12:31) Somehow, find a way to help when you can.
Being a Christian – You are the salt of the earth.  (Matt. 5:13)  People have to know by your actions that you are a Christian.  (I really struggle with that one.  It's hard sometimes.)
You would like to father a child.  – God formed you in the womb.  (Jeremiah 1:5)  You are as He knew you would be and strength is made perfect in our weakness (2 Cor. 12:9, essentially, we learn to trust God more).   

The last one was really tough for me.  I really wanted children.  However, I am intersexed and sterile.  At the time, I only knew I couldn't father children.  That hurt bad.  For a long time.  Then, God brought someone in my life who loved me.  She could not have children anymore.  Had I been able to have children, I would have missed the love of my life.  And while her children are now grown, the Grandchildren love me as they love no other. 

What to do?  Start where God directs.  However, remember that the most powerful servants of God had to grow in their relationship with Him before they served (Moses ran into the wilderness and after several years then God spoke to him and put him into service (Exodus 2), Apostle Paul was converted and spent three years in Arabia before he started to serve (Gal 1:17-20)

Learn, grow and serve.  You can't change the world, God can, one person at a time.  It's not easy.

Hugs in Christ,

Jen

No I did come out to my family they don't accept me at all and they told numerous times that I'm going to hell for it and they don't even believe its real to be honest

Quote from: Brandon on December 29, 2013, 10:47:34 PM
No I did come out to my family they don't accept me at all and they told nmerous times tha I'm going to hell for and they don't even believe its real

That's an awful thing for them to tell you Brandon. I know it's hard and I can tell that you love your parents a lot, but once you're older and able to move into your own place and start your transition I think things will slowly start improving. I don't know if your parents will ever change their mind and support you in your transition, but you need to do what's best for you. If they still think bad things about your transition and being trans* you'd be the bigger person by returning their behavior with love for them. If they see that you're full of love, happiness in your body once you start T and surgery, and are still a good Christian, they may be more likely to accept you.

Quote from: LearnedHand on December 29, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
That's an awful thing for them to tell you Brandon. I know it's hard and I can tell that you love your parents a lot, but once you're older and able to move into your own place and start your transition I think things will slowly start improving. I don't know if your parents will ever change their mind and support you in your transition, but you need to do what's best for you. If they still think bad things about your transition and being trans* you'd be the bigger person by returning their behavior with love for them. If they see that you're full of love, happiness in your body once you start T and surgery, and are still a good Christian, they may be more likely to accept you.

I sure hope so, It sucks not having support, But ill see what happens in the near future

I used to hate God, then I slowly unlearned my indoctrination, now I'm atheist/agnostic. I can't follow a religion that thinks I'm an unworthy abomination.

God cannot control our actions. only we can.
but he lets these things happen so we can grow.
we cannot do so if we are not allowed to make mistakes or feel pain in our lives.
we must fall as the humans we are to learn from the mistakes we make or the pain inflicted upon us.

Quote from: Kaitlin4475 on December 30, 2013, 11:49:31 AM
I used to hate God, then I slowly unlearned my indoctrination, now I'm atheist/agnostic. I can't follow a religion that thinks I'm an unworthy abomination.

I wish to say this not in order to change your beliefs but as with many,there is a misunderstanding due to the bigoted people who follow it and I just wish to set that part straight with respect.the bible is broken down into two parts.1) the law and 2) freedom.the bigots follow 'the law' because this law makes them seem 'holier then thou' and they believe it promises their place in heaven.this is where they 'misunderstand' and claim certain things/people as abominations.just another form of finger pointing.now under 'freedom' the son of God said 'you can NOT have both the law and freedom/salvation' because he came to 'rewrite' the law or in other words 'set people free from its opression,not exactly destroy the law' so a lot of bigots believe you can condemn while being saved and this is FAR from the case.they need to learn its either unconditional love or chains.I see many lost souls leaving the faith because of these ignorant men and its a shame.