Quote from: Megumi on December 30, 2013, 11:38:42 PMI asked her to bind her chest and tuck her hair up under a hat and try to act like a guy and how would that make her feel, her answer was still like a woman because that's what I was born as  She'll never understand.

Well yeah - so tell her that this is how you also feel, but the point is not that she would feel like a guy but if she was bothered at all by being treated like a guy 24/7 if she did that, if she was not allowed to act differently, if she was not allowed to do (insert whatever thing she likes about being a woman - intimate chats with other women, womens sports,...). Also make that a breast amputation and the hair cut off - oh and an unexplainable drop in the voice. Oh and hairs growing in the face - how would she fell then? Probably still like a woman, but would she be fine with it? I doubt it, because no woman will - neither she nor you.

Quote from: anjaq on December 31, 2013, 06:33:15 AM
Well yeah - so tell her that this is how you also feel, but the point is not that she would feel like a guy but if she was bothered at all by being treated like a guy 24/7 if she did that, if she was not allowed to act differently, if she was not allowed to do (insert whatever thing she likes about being a woman - intimate chats with other women, womens sports,...). Also make that a breast amputation and the hair cut off - oh and an unexplainable drop in the voice. Oh and hairs growing in the face - how would she fell then? Probably still like a woman, but would she be fine with it? I doubt it, because no woman will - neither she nor you.

That actually was something that I tried as well a week or so ago. She is stubborn as can be, both me and my mom agree that my sister has 0, none, zilch, nada empathy at all and is incapable of understanding how others might feel.

I think the way I worded it was, imagine that you were in some kind of car accident and your upper body was burned so bad that your breasts had to be removed, they had to remove your female organs and just sew that spot up so it was just a flat spot with something that looks like male genitals and that you lost all the hair on your head and it would never grow back. Somehow you had no physical scars so you only appeared to be a flat chested bald person and because of all of that you are stressed out so much from appearing not like you think you should and now your hormones have gone out of whack, so now you don't feel right and you begin to grow a beard and your voice begins to deepen and before you know it you appear & sound in every way like a male even though you know that on the inside you are a woman. How would you feel? Her response was an angered "well I'd still be a woman because that's what GOD MADE ME, I could get a boob job and wear a wig and have my beard lasered off and see an endo and get my hormones in check" she actually yelled that response and proved my point without noticing that what she said was what we go through to transition because we know how we feel on the INSIDE.

What an amazing trip down memory lane! All good moments! My favorite (current) one is, when I inhale while looking straight ahead...I see my chest rising into my 6 o'clock peripheral vision...

<--And yes, my feeling is, "OMG! That is so cool!"

Having a woman I met (who thought I was cis) tell me that I was hot and had such good genes I really should reproduce 

Quote from: Megumi on December 31, 2013, 11:16:24 AM"well I'd still be a woman because that's what GOD MADE ME, I could get a boob job and wear a wig and have my beard lasered off and see an endo and get my hormones in check" she actually yelled that response and proved my point without noticing that what she said was what we go through to transition because we know how we feel on the INSIDE.

LOL - yeah - point made, I would guess

I guess if she is about how GOD made her (which is such a stupid argument usually), then GOD made some women with a body that looks like a male. That women then feel the same as she would after that fantasy accident. As of why god would do such a thing, I guess that question is a) for her to answer and b) can match itself with the question why god made intersexed people, why god makes people with birth defects etc... After all this is how I see it - it is sort of an intersex condition (brain/body mismatch) and in a way it is a birth defect because the body was somehow masculinized and doe snot match the female brain/soul.

Quote from: anjaq on January 01, 2014, 07:30:49 PM
LOL - yeah - point made, I would guess

I guess if she is about how GOD made her (which is such a stupid argument usually), then GOD made some women with a body that looks like a male. That women then feel the same as she would after that fantasy accident. As of why god would do such a thing, I guess that question is a) for her to answer and b) can match itself with the question why god made intersexed people, why god makes people with birth defects etc... After all this is how I see it - it is sort of an intersex condition (brain/body mismatch) and in a way it is a birth defect because the body was somehow masculinized and doe snot match the female brain/soul.

Personally... I think god makes us to challenge their self-professed followers. Many of them are failing.

The chances I will get to ever make a physical transition are somewhere between slim and none.  But reading the posts in this topic just made me burst out in tears of happiness.  So I know the mental and emotional transition continues.  I am proud of all of you. <3

Quote from: Jenny07 on December 29, 2013, 12:21:44 AM
For me the day I took the first dose of E was an amazing day in my life as I took control or my life for the first time.
It was so empowering and as many know such a relief as I knew from that day the demons would be no more.
Something a Cis person will never understand.

J

Plus one to this! Though for T, and getting rid of E

My most recent happy moment was a few days ago, I needed to nip to the high-street for the first time since surgery. I got dressed so quickly, and I looked great! No need for binders and body suits and layers. Just T-Shirt, Jeans, done. I was a little upset that I needed to put a coat on because it was freezing and then I was amazed at how cold I was, I could feel the wind and cold on my torso, I haven't felt cold in years because of all the layers I was wearing to keep my chest in check. I also returned home without having to immediately strip off and shower from all the sweat. Such a great feeling! This year is the first time in my life I'm looking forward to summer.

I'm sitting here at work, staying late and trying to make up for lost time today as I spent 4 hours in electrolysis earlier.  My face is clean for the first time post-puberty.   No stubble, no hairs, just soft skin.  I keep rubbing my hands on it.  The pain I have gone through was well worth just that first stroke on smooth skin.

Hugs,

Jen

Quote from: anjaq on January 01, 2014, 07:30:49 PM
LOL - yeah - point made, I would guess

I guess if she is about how GOD made her (which is such a stupid argument usually), then GOD made some women with a body that looks like a male. That women then feel the same as she would after that fantasy accident. As of why god would do such a thing, I guess that question is a) for her to answer and b) can match itself with the question why god made intersexed people, why god makes people with birth defects etc... After all this is how I see it - it is sort of an intersex condition (brain/body mismatch) and in a way it is a birth defect because the body was somehow masculinized and doe snot match the female brain/soul.

I can guarantee that she would say God never made a mistake and that someone in their family did something bad to cause a generational curse and that's why they were born with defects. Many thanks goes out to Daystar and my mom for this new out there term "generational curse" for justifying why I feel the way I do. I seriously doubt I'll ever get them to understand what being transgender is like due to their hard set stance on religion. It doesn't stop me from trying to talk with them but it sure is making it harder and harder to converse with them while having a bible slammed upside my face the whole time.

Quote from: KabitTarah on January 02, 2014, 03:46:29 AM
Personally... I think god makes us to challenge their self-professed followers. Many of them are failing.

Having the door held open for me

The big grin on your face when you are gendered correctly and consistantly from a waiter/ress, cashier, etc, and they look at your parent/partner strange when they misgender you.

Quote from: Megumi on January 02, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
I can guarantee that she would say God never made a mistake and that someone in their family did something bad to cause a generational curse and that's why they were born with defects.

Well - the reason is of no consequence - if someone die something bad and as a consequence your family was given a girl that has a birth defect and looks like a guy, it is still not your fault, is it? You are the one who suffers from it, maybe the family also has a hard time but unless they are switching over to a belief in reincarnation, they cannot blame the birth defect on you.

For me the biggest moments that cis-people will never understand were.

Getting my ears done
wearing a dress to a party for the first time
painting my room a baby pink
having that first drink bought for me

Oh, and while in the toilets, being asked for a tampon, I'll never forget that moment and the weird look I got when I said "you can buy one just there"...