Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
Here in the US, it's VERY possible. Most people seem to think if there are riots, social unrest, a storm, nuclear meltdown or earthquake our military will save us and keep us safe....thing is they can't. There is a law preventing our military from acting on US soil. The most that can happen is the national guard can provide police support. Now knowing that police response time right now is an average of 4-10 min, in the event of riots, Solar Flare related EMP (will leave the world in the dark for 3-5 years) or general social unrest....i want to be 100% self sustainable, be able to protect myself, my family and my food/water...even if it means taking a life.

If you aren't prepared.....i feel sorry for you and really hope you start before it's too late.

If the world goes crazy it goes crazy, no amount of prepping will prepare anyone for that. Nor can we tell what will happen.

Even if you stock a whole bomb shelter with enough supplies to survive for years - you can't guarantee that you'll make it in alive, or that someone else will.

I guess what I am saying is, it is not worth worrying about if or when the world is falling apart. -shrug-

Quote from: Joanna Dark on January 02, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
I dont believe its going to happen (but my BF does) and if it did (which it wont) I would be able to easily get my hormones. Hopefully by this time I will have had SRS so AAs wont be an issue and if I didn't get them it wouldnt be the end of the world. Haha...but i would go to the most obvious place: the pharmacy! People would loot phamacies for the opiates and benzos and penicillin and pseudo and all that but I'm guessing most of the looters will be men so they will prolly see a a big pill bottle labeled ESTROGEN they will leave it alone and prolly wont even touch it for fear of it seeping into their skin. Most men's worst nightmare is turning into a woman. But that's my plan. I'll hit the pharmacy. I figure I would 12,800 pills to last me. So, that's a lot of pharmacies I hope it doent intefere with my other job of being scared to death that the world ended. But I dont understabd if the world ended I wouldnt care about transition line of thought. This should eb the most important thing to you. This is why some people wake up one day and are like wought woah i turned myself into a woman. <not allowed>. i wait i cant. i need a guy to do that for me. JK but seriously why wouldnt transition be important in a global meltdown....would your desire to be female cease? Mine wouldn't. But i'm passing the point of no return so meltdown or not im going to be pretty female forever like it or not. Yay!

It's not that I wouldn't care.  More like I probably won't be alive to care one way or not.  Under such bleak circumstances, I'd imagine our way of life will be the same at all.  The possibility of transitioning and a stable healthcare system is likely to go away. Even if it would bother me should I survive, I'd imagine survival mode would kick in and I'd be like an animal just thinking of only food and water.  I'm imagining everyone would act like zombies on instinct. Good thing this isn't likely to happen.

Quote from: Aina on January 02, 2014, 10:21:44 AM
If the world goes crazy it goes crazy, no amount of prepping will prepare anyone for that. Nor can we tell what will happen.

Even if you stock a whole bomb shelter with enough supplies to survive for years - you can't guarantee that you'll make it in alive, or that someone else will.

I guess what I am saying is, it is not worth worrying about if or when the world is falling apart. -shrug-

Agreed.  Preparing for emergencies is fine, but you can't prevent the end of the world should it come to that. 

Quote from: Aina on January 02, 2014, 10:21:44 AM
If the world goes crazy it goes crazy, no amount of prepping will prepare anyone for that. Nor can we tell what will happen.

Even if you stock a whole bomb shelter with enough supplies to survive for years - you can't guarantee that you'll make it in alive, or that someone else will.

I guess what I am saying is, it is not worth worrying about if or when the world is falling apart. -shrug-

Quote from: learningtolive on January 02, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
Agreed.  Preparing for emergencies is fine, but you can't prevent the end of the world should it come to that. 

I'm not worried or preoccupied with Armageddon, but there's always a possibility of economic collapse like in 1929. I just kind of work towards being a self sustaining individual, and being protected. And for now I want self protection from the whacked out bigots that seem to creep me out every couple months. (Honestly, some of them scare the crap out of me.)

Quote from: learningtolive on January 02, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
Good thing this isn't likely to happen.

Don't be too sure! A US government study concluded that a nuclear initiated high altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) would culminate in the greatest disaster ever for the infrastructure and US population. Private estimates are that within three months a great percentage of the population will have ceased to exist. Now that this information has been presented on the Internet for the innovative third world enemies dedicated to the destruction of this country it's just a matter of time before some group with very little assets pulls something like this off. Don't worry about what no-one has any control over, it's a waste of your life's energy.
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2007/Sep/HEMP.asp

Whatever happens is what happens. I honestly don't care about that anymore. I already went through a damn panic over this several years back. The way I see it, if everything finally breaks down and it's a hell on earth, there is always suicide.

Grim and depressing?

Yes.

But I am no way in hell worrying myself sick over things I have no control over. Prepping will only get you so far in the long term. I'm not knocking people that do it. I'm just saying if you have 2 or 3 years worth of supplies on hand, what are you going to do if/when that runs out and things could still be in a barbaric state of utter chaos?

Hell, look what some idiots do on friggin Black Friday and that's just for cheaply made, disposable 'consumer goods' that may be fun but don't mean a damn thing in the end. Meh..if it all breaks down, I will just hunker down here at home and if I am faced with starvation or slashing my veins then I know how it's going to go.

But, if the whole theory about FEMA camps turns out to be true. I am not going to one of them either. (At least, not unless it's being taken out in a body bag.)

I just don't care. Will I fight for my own survival if need be? Sure

But do I care about dying through one form or another?

Nope. We all die sometime anyway.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 02, 2014, 10:53:53 AM
Whatever happens is what happens. I honestly don't care about that anymore. I already went through a damn panic over this several years back. The way I see it, if everything finally breaks down and it's a hell on earth, there is always suicide.

Grim and depressing?

Hell, look what some idiots do on friggin Black Friday and that's just for cheaply made, disposable 'consumer goods' that may be fun but don't mean a damn thing in the end. Meh..if it all breaks down, I will just hunker down here at home and if I am faced with starvation or slashing my veins then I know how it's going to go.

Good points Laura, but what about the porcupine? 

Quote from: Shantel on January 02, 2014, 11:07:44 AM
Good points Laura, but what about the porcupine? 

Well, then that won't matter.

squirrels do pretty good surviving harsh conditions

Wow.....just wow....some of yalls responses make me really glad that im not only armed to the teeth, 1,000+ rounds of each 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62x39 but also have an underground bunker with NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) air filter but also have my own water supply and food supply which continues to grow weekly.
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.

Quote from: Oriah on January 02, 2014, 10:02:27 AM
all pharms have a shelf life.....a mass stockpile of pills would eventually be essentially placebo

The US Army did a study and concluded that most medications last for a long time. Their words just kidding. They studied medications and concluded that after 17 years most meds retain their effectiveness. They don't expire. I found two xanax from 2007 and they worked like a charm. that's 7 years old.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.

I have deer and bear on my land with a trout stream running though it.  There's wild berries, apples and cherries, along with a lot of other wild edibles.  My cousins trap beaver and muscrat in my stream and there's a small building that can be heated with a mini-woodstove, so I'd nave no problem with self sustaining on 60 acres.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Wow.....just wow....some of yalls responses make me really glad that im not only armed to the teeth, 1,000+ rounds of each 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62x39 but also have an underground bunker with NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) air filter but also have my own water supply and food supply which continues to grow weekly.
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.

So you have all this stuff but you cant afford hormones? Why not sell a gun or two and go support your transition hormonally for a year. Add another 200 (a couple boxes of shells) and voila, laser. Im not knocking you, but you come here  a lot and really seem to want to get back on HRT, so why not part with some of the weapons and start transition? If not now, then when? Seriously, transition has to come first and if you're not willing to do that maybe you're not ready yet. These are just words and im thinking out loud. Just think about it. But if I wasnt on HRT and I had your assets I would sell them all to support my transition. I basically have nothingbeause I sold my poseesions and everything to transition both hormonally and socially with my BF.

Sell my guns......uhhh nope....sell my amo....nope....and i have a plan for getting back on hrt....i have been working temp to hire jobs but have been laid off a lot...either its slow business, or Obummers tightening grip on the balls of the manufacturing industry. While working temp to hire, i prep my ass off. Once i hire in tho, i prep less and restart my transition....why wait you wonder? Because ill be making more money then i am now, about $15usd/hr, I'll have insurance and won't have to foot the $200 doctors visit myself.

With my knowledge on history I highly doubt something like that would happen anytime soon. Only a few times did we see social unrest get that severe and honestly I can only think of the black plague really. It would most certainly have to come from running out of fossil fuels and/or global climate change. It is our actions towards our planet that we must be worried about. Also our president is not coming to take our guns, if he really wanted to why would he let gun laws become more lax in this country in the past year?

Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 12:11:37 PM
Sell my guns......uhhh nope....sell my amo....nope....and i have a plan for getting back on hrt....i have been working temp to hire jobs but have been laid off a lot...either its slow business, or Obummers tightening grip on the balls of the manufacturing industry. While working temp to hire, i prep my ass off. Once i hire in tho, i prep less and restart my transition....why wait you wonder? Because ill be making more money then i am now, about $15usd/hr, I'll have insurance and won't have to foot the $200 doctors visit myself.

I'll be giving a lot of my guns to my boys, but I'll keep what I like, and would never sell them.  Giving up my FFL also so I don't have to worry about that anymore.  I'm keeping  4 ammo boxes of the stuff I like to shoot, even if I don't shoot as much as I'd like.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Wow.....just wow....some of yalls responses make me really glad that im not only armed to the teeth, 1,000+ rounds of each 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62x39 but also have an underground bunker with NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) air filter but also have my own water supply and food supply which continues to grow weekly.
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.

Well, I don't want to come off as snarky here but, honestly,...look...Not everyone has the money nor the means to do that. I've heard the usual stuff on Infowars and whatnot in the comments sections with people saying "while you were wasting your life being a mindless consumerist drone, I was preparing for this." etc, etc.

Well...I've known for a very long time that things have been falling apart, but again, I don't have the means nor the dough to build a bunker with 10 years of rations. Honestly, I see that whole argument as not being too far off from the whole "Well, I saved money for SRS and you didn't" argument since both of them boil down to money and all that.

Like I said before, everyone dies someday and that is the way it goes. Will I fight and resist if things get REALLY bad and turn down a very dark road in this nation's history?

Yes.

But I want to live my life and not worry myself sick over things that I have no control over. Been there, done that as I said before.

This thread has given me the giggles.

Self sustainability is good. Go for it if you wish.

But, America is a funny country, and this whole survivalist paranoia thing is primarily an American thing.

It really comes down to political polarization.

When a Republican is in charge, the Democrats blame him for everything. 9/11 probably would have happened if Gore was president and the economy would have tanked if Kerry had won.

When a Democrat is in charge, Republicans/Libertarians get all survivalist... I think Waco sealed that deal...

It is a fascinating cycle. We are prone to pessimism when the party we do not like is in power, we can feel helpless. We are also prone to belief in conspiracy theories. Since JFK and Vietnam, a majority of people believe in at least one conspiracy theory.

Worldwide, minorities (often Jews), artists and LGBT people are among the first to be judged and blamed in times of crisis... so it is not entirely stupid to think about such things. I admit I have. Within weeks of 9/11, the Jews were being tied to conspiracy theories and the gays were being blamed by televangelists.

Historically though, groups of people have been convinced of their impending doom more often than they have been faced with it.

So I admit, this thread gave me the giggles. We are the few, the proud the survivalist estrogen huntresses!

True, we could spend our whole lives worrying and planning for every type of crazy eventuality. But I see that as time lost when we could instead just be living and enjoying what precious little time we have on the planet. Unless it becomes all encompassing and it takes over your life leaving little else, at which point you're so entrenched, the only way to make life worthwhile is to make 'it' happen and 'it' becomes a self-fulling prophecy.

Quote from: Tori on January 02, 2014, 02:14:02 PM

I think Waco sealed that deal...

Nah, what seals the deal is when your own government puts out disinformation making it easy to dislike some religious cult or political faction via the media thus enabling people to look the other way as they begin murdering fellow Americans like at Waco and Ruby Ridge. People begin to realize that if it can happen to them it can happen to any of us. 

That is exactly what I meant.

Waco was Ruby Ridge on steroids. Also, didn't Ruby Ridge happen on Bush Sr.'s watch? It didn't quite fit the point I was making.