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Fallon Fox: The Toughest Woman In Sports

Started by LearnedHand, January 02, 2014, 04:07:12 PM

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DriftingCrow

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/sports/201401/fallon-fox-transgender-mma-fighter?currentPage=1
Author: Nancy Hass Source: GQ

For five hard but rewarding years, Fallon Fox worked toward her destiny of going pro as an MMA fighter—and no one knew she'd once been a man. But then she was outed as transgender, and soon her opponents were playing "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" before she entered the arena. NANCY HASS follows the controversial Fox as she kicks, claws, clinches, sweeps, and scraps her way through the MMA world. And that's before she even gets in the cage

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This is a long article at 5 pages, but worth the read.
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amZo

The transwoman who competed in the recent Miss America (or Miss Universe? not sure) I feel was a very positive thing for the trans community, and very reasonable given her birth gender put her at a disadvantage. But Fallon Fox fighting cis women, this makes me very uneasy, I believe in this case her birth gender gives her an advantage.
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DriftingCrow

Quote from: Nikko on January 02, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
The transwoman who competed in the recent Miss America (or Miss Universe? not sure) I feel was a very positive thing for the trans community, and very reasonable given her birth gender put her at a disadvantage. But Fallon Fox fighting cis women, this makes me very uneasy, I believe in this case her birth gender gives her an advantage.

You might want to read the article, she's actually quite small compared to some of the cis-women she fights. She's also a lot older.
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amZo

I didn't need to read the story to know she's not very good, if she begins beating up her opponents, the news stories on her will take a much less supportive tone. For good reason IMO. Bottom line is, transwomen on average have a strength advantage over cis women. How can we support this for some transwomen and not others, the day will come when a transwoman is so much stronger than her opponents that this will no longer be allowed. What would that say about anything Ms. Fallon accomplished in the sport. Is it fair to cis women who would've achieved those accomplishments instead? I think to be accepted, we have to realize appropriate boundaries, I believe Ms. Fallon is crossing one. But time will tell... and it will accurately.
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Jamie D

Quote from: Nikko on January 02, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
The transwoman who competed in the recent Miss America (or Miss Universe? not sure) I feel was a very positive thing for the trans community, and very reasonable given her birth gender put her at a disadvantage. But Fallon Fox fighting cis women, this makes me very uneasy, I believe in this case her birth gender gives her an advantage.

Do you mean Jenna Talackova?
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ThePhoenix

Quote from: Nikko on January 02, 2014, 05:31:25 PM
Bottom line is, transwomen on average have a strength advantage over cis women.

A lot of people assume this to be true, but I don't know of a single source that supports this.  Do you?

Here is an article from WomenSport International that discusses this issue and attaches the policies on inclusion of transwomen in women's competitions from the NCAA and the International Olympic Committee, both of which have allowed transwomen to compete as women :

http://www.sportsbiz.bz/womensportinternational/archives/2011/documents/The_Transgender_Athlete_2011Recommendations.pdf

The IOC policy, in particular, is pretty widely adopted by other sporting organizations. 

Perhaps this is the critical statement from WSI:

"It has been difficult for organizations to base policies on evidence of a competitive advantage for the male to female transgendered athlete. No research studies are available to describe how long the male advantage in muscle mass persists or how other male characteristics such as heavier bones, larger lung volume, or higher hematocrit change over time. Complicating the issue is the lack of research describing the pace at which changes occur, although it does appear that most occur within the first year."

They acknowledge that although information is scarce, that the supposed advantages of transwomen fade within year one of transition and also acknowledge the lack of evidence of competitive advantage for transwomen. 

The only sources I know of on this issue suggest that transwomen may actually be at a disadvantage to ciswomen due to having lower testosterone than ciswomen. 

If there's any reliable evidence out there that goes the other way, I'd be very interested in knowing about it.  I know about the debate, but I don't follow it as closely as I do other issues.
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~RoadToTrista~

My heart goes out to her. She isn't going to get any respect competing in Women's MMA whether she's winning or losing.
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