while language has a tendency to change even over short periods it makes no sense to change some of them. so.

a phobia is defined as an intense irrational fear.

hating any lgbt or similar group does NOT make you homophobic.

we really need to find a word for it if its going to be its own thing cause its been bugging me for years.

-misia is the greek suffix for hatred or intense dislike

so, homomisia and transmisia are more appopriate terms

The reason it is called homophobia is because it is though to originate from the fear of them. However that I'd not always the case

Quote from: nonameyet on January 09, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
while language has a tendency to change even over short periods it makes no sense to change some of them. so.

a phobia is defined as an intense irrational fear.

hating any lgbt or similar group does NOT make you homophobic.

we really need to find a word for it if its going to be its own thing cause its been bugging me for years.

Good point. But some would argue hatred is fear.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 09, 2014, 06:40:03 PM
-misia is the greek suffix for hatred or intense dislike

so, homomisia and transmisia are more appopriate terms

Or the Latin root "-odium"

The fear (of the unknown) is supposedly the source of the hatred.

Homophobia: 1. an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

Quote from: TARDISgirl14 on January 09, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Now, if you're a linguistic purist then I suggest you start speaking like early man. They had the original language. Keep it pure. 

And that's why I insist my child be a Proto-indoeuropean monoglot.

Quote from: nonameyet on January 09, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
while language has a tendency to change even over short periods it makes no sense to change some of them. so.

a phobia is defined as an intense irrational fear.

hating any lgbt or similar group does NOT make you homophobic.

we really need to find a word for it if its going to be its own thing cause its been bugging me for years.

Phobia is an irrational fear or strong dislike. It's a fine word for it.

Quote from: TARDISgirl14 on January 09, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Except for when it isn't...

-phobia
n combining form
1. indicating an extreme abnormal fear of or aversion to: acrophobia; claustrophobia.
[via Latin from Greek, from phobos fear]
-phobic adj combining form


language has a tendency to change and the meaning of -phobia is a good example because it has come from a suffix exclusively meaning 'fear' and evolved into meaning either 'fear' or 'aversion'. Language evolves. Want a word that means 'extreme abnormal or irrational fear or aversion of trans* people'? Transphobia.

Now, if you're a linguistic purist then I suggest you start speaking like early man. They had the original language. Keep it pure. 

at no point did i suggest that i was any sort of linguistic purist. only that some words should remain intact and not follow the absurdity of the current use of 'literally', for example.

aversion is often seen as synonymous with fear, as the former rarely precedes the latter, and even if it werent, i have yet to see it synonymous with hate.

and as for the comment of early mans language development. without early language we never would have become early man in the first place.

and i called for the preservation of the current use and definitions of words where others would suffice. the less to muddle the meanings. not for a reversion to an earlier, more ignorant form of man. a path which already seems well on its own way to being forged without the help of linguistic idiocy.

Transphobia is the evolution of language in action. No need for a new word to describe something when the meaning is already well understood. I would rather work on reducing the extent of it.

We can play with semantics and morphology all we want, but the bottom line is that -phobia has a clear and consistent meaning in our society. And it has utility.

As long as we live in a society that considers fear shameful, calling the haters fearful is to our advantage politically. Add in that the "fear" is nonsensical, and as public awareness grows, the haters appear ever-increasingly absurd.

Quote from: nonameyet on January 10, 2014, 06:03:12 AM
aversion is often seen as synonymous with fear... i have yet to see it synonymous with hate.

You couldn't have looked very hard.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 09, 2014, 09:23:52 PM
And that's why I insist my child be a Proto-indoeuropean monoglot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/28/proto-indo-european-language-ancestors_n_4005545.html

This was another thing that made me loose interest in forums and the net in general. The language police in action. Its tedious and boring.

I think it's very productive to define terms, as most forum hostilities and misunderstandings are triggered by semantic disputes.

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on January 10, 2014, 03:38:44 PM
I think it's very productive to define terms, as most forum hostilities and misunderstandings are triggered by semantic disputes.

Ah, but what do we mean by semantics? 

Disputes on forums are caused by the fact that they are forums. Thats why they exist. To create and perpetuate disputes and suck up productive time. Not as bad as the constant texting people do, but close. Its like some kind of drug.

Every single forum, but especially those for trans people are exactly the same.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 10, 2014, 05:37:09 PM
Ah, but what do we mean by semantics? 

No, you came here for an argument.

Quote from: amber1964 on January 10, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
Disputes on forums are caused by the fact that they are forums. Thats why they exist.

That's fine if you're defining "dispute" as discourse, debate and discussion. If you mean hostilities and misunderstandings, that's quite a bleak outlook.

Its called trolling. Everyone does it from time to time. Livens things up especially when it comes to a topic as completely irrelevant as this one.

We can derail the thread totally and talk about trans vs. transgender vs. transsexual vs. ->-bleeped-<-. That usually pushes a few people right off the edge.