I think they call any women who's not overweight, has a bit of muscles and slightly taller boyish.
The funny thing is that those women have a better WHR than their shorter
sisters because most overweight women have a lot of fat around the waist too decreasing their WHR.
They don't look like that because taller women have a greater distance between their hips and their waist than shorter women, so visually they look like they have less hips.

My mother keep telling me I've got no hips when I tell her that I have 38 hips, 28 waist, which is pretty curvy and still she keeps harping on that point!!

Quote from: morticia on July 31, 2007, 03:47:15 PM
I was watching "wedding dress secrets revealed" yesterday on WE and there were all sorts of girls of every shape and size.
There was one girl that was six feet tall.  The woman in charge of the show told the viewers, "And Jane here has a very tall, boyish figure"...  Woa!  I wish I had a boyish figure like hers!  And that wasn't the only girl to be called "boyish"..
Several of the girls were told they had boyish figures.  Wow...  And none of them acted insulted by it.
But how they saw anything "boyish" about them is beyond me.  I would give anything to have their figures.
I thought they looked hot and very feminine.   

Ah, ok.  I would describe my face as "boyish" (for a girl), but it's definitely not masculine.  For girls, being "boyish" tends to be acceptable as it is generally a female term, although I still can't yet bring myself around to trying "boy shorts".

Quote from: morticia on July 31, 2007, 03:47:15 PM
Ok. this is making me nuts.  I keep trying to reply to a totally seperate post and this thing keep combining them no matter how hard I try to make seperate posts.  What am I doing wrong here???

That's just the way the forum works.  It's to prevent users from artificially inflating their post count with multiple posts when just 1 post would suffice.

Quote from: Keira on July 31, 2007, 01:48:17 PM

If your E dose is low, waiting to start progesterone 2 years is better because you'll not conteract your E. With a higher E dose, its less critical but you still need breast tissue so it makes any sense at all to use it.

Also, if you've got little breast projection, starting progesterone is useless in general (say A cup an below); progesterone needs breast tissue to work with, it doesn't improve projection, just the lateral size of the breast.

In GG, progesterone kicks in when the menses start, which is several years, two, after breast growth start. So, if we follow this lead, starting late doesn't make any difference.

I'm not sure I understand, Are you saying that the breasts grow better outward using E alone? Then adding progesterone would increase the fullness?
I 've read articles written by some Tg girls claiming that mimicing GGs cycle works very well.
Any thoughts about that?

Quote from: Melissa on July 31, 2007, 03:24:01 PM

Quote from: Sophia on July 31, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
So the comparisons to other genders is not as rough for them because they have some assurance at least that those comparisons are wrong. Whereas we've had it pounded into us that we look like the gender we know we aren't because people assume that its making us feel better by "reaffirming our masculinity" for us (and the opposite for ftms). They don't realize that they just make us feel worse.

I'm trying to understand what you mean here.

Sometimes I don't even know.

Quote from: Melissa on July 31, 2007, 03:24:01 PM
I'll assume you are saying that it's not as difficult for a GG to have a masculine feature pointed out as it is for a TS woman to have a masculine feature pointed out.  I wouldn't be so fast to jump to that conclusion.  If the GG really did have a masculine feature, it would hurt her just as much--especially if she were told this over and over again.  As I said before, we really are not as different from GGs as you might think.

Not so much that its easier to have a masculine feature pointed out, and more that a perfectly feminine GG and a perfectly feminine TS may have slightly different reactions because of the different social exposure. It probably differs with age.

I'm not making any sense am I?

Quote from: Keira on July 31, 2007, 11:35:37 AMWild yam cream, forget about it, though there are real "progesterone USP" over the counter creams that are reputed to work (available in the US, not sure elsewhere).

Right, I went back to the store today and looked. My memory was off, the progesterone cream I was thinking of was actually the USP variety, there were several brands of it on the shelf, they all said they contain 500mg progesterone per ounce of cream, which works out to about 22mg per application. I don't know if that would do anything for our breasts. In fact, the progesterone creams were promoted for relief of menopausal symptoms, nothing about breasts. The instructions were to rub into areas like wrists (also chest). This wasn't quite what I hoped for... or is it?

Quote from: Sophia on July 31, 2007, 09:36:45 PM
Not so much that its easier to have a masculine feature pointed out, and more that a perfectly feminine GG and a perfectly feminine TS may have slightly different reactions because of the different social exposure. It probably differs with age.

I'm not making any sense am I?

I think it depends on how much truth there is in a statement.  For instance, if the TS woman is still pre-op and some comment was made on genitalia or perhaps a female history or even periods, that may have a more negative effect on the TS, because there is truth in it.  I think it really depends on the circumstances and the particular thing that was said or asked.  So, I think in some situations you are correct and others may have the same reaction on the person.  Again, it depends on how much truth is in a statement.

Yes, you made more sense in that last statement.

Posted on: August 02, 2007, 10:11:42 AM

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Quote from: Hypatia on August 02, 2007, 01:20:18 AM
Right, I went back to the store today and looked. My memory was off, the progesterone cream I was thinking of was actually the USP variety, there were several brands of it on the shelf, they all said they contain 500mg progesterone per ounce of cream, which works out to about 22mg per application. I don't know if that would do anything for our breasts. In fact, the progesterone creams were promoted for relief of menopausal symptoms, nothing about breasts. The instructions were to rub into areas like wrists (also chest). This wasn't quite what I hoped for... or is it?

Progesterone helping with breast growth is only supported by anecdotal evidence.  It seems likely that it is the case, but you don't know how the person would have ended up had they not taken the progesterone.

Melissa, progesterone helping with  breast growth is not just anecdotal, there are studies that exist to support it. I'll have to go into the past message archive of the DIY to find them. More and more endo's linked to gender programs are precribing it.

It also has an impact on the skin, nails, hair, ligaments, energy level, libido, appetite, fat distribution and lipid profile (and probably other things I'm forgetting about). So... Not too bad for a useless (sic) hormone.

Since progesterone is needed for the breast to fully devellop its milk making apparatus and is a major reason for increased appetite and fat storage in gynoid regions (the breast being one of them) during pregnancy, it goes to reason that it has a significant impact on the breast!!!

You'd only start lactating if your E level was high enough initially and you cut it say in half. You need E and P and prolactin (which is linked to progesterone but you can also supplement) to get proper lactation. You've also got to stimulate the breast to produce through sucking a substantial length and number of time.

I think breast size is determined mostly by genetics. My understanding is that your mother's breast size will be somewhat close to your final breast size. This spells a problem for some people; either they'll get small breasts or, in my case, their genetics likely will cause their breasts to be too big which is a problem or a blessing depending on your view. I personally don't want to have breasts the size of my head, I don't want to attract any more attention than I do now. The downsize of physical attractiveness is that you get every wierdo and dill pickle wanting to be with you. 

Hmmm, that's all very interesting.

Apparently not unknown:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation

Dennis

I have this theory that progesterone actually helps with burning fat when trying to lose weight.  That's only based on my own observations on myself though and some stuff I read on the internet, hence it's only a theory and could be wrong.

On the lactating subject, I've recently been starting to lactate a clear liquid from my nipples, one or two drops.  My endo isn't sure what it is and nothing is coming back on my blood work, she said as long as it's clear it should be fine.

A GG friend of mine told me that eating Tofu might help with breast growth and further feminization, because it contains estrogen.  Can anyone verify this for me?

Also, I'm looking at getting breast enhancers for when I go full-time, because right now I'm only about an AA cup, maybe an A cup and I'd like to be a B eventually.  Anyone have suggestions on where I can find a good pair of silicone enhancers?

~Fae

I don't have silicone enhancers, but what I did was take some water-bra pads I found at target, and some "Thank Goodness it Fits" bras from Kohls.  The bra has a opening in the lining on the side that the water-bra pad can be stuffed into.  Adds a lot more size than using the padding normally.  I am also an AA right now and this works fine for me 

Of course this limits my clothing choices, but I can live with it until the itty bitties become not so itty bitty.

QuoteA GG friend of mine told me that eating Tofu might help with breast growth and further feminization, because it contains estrogen.  Can anyone verify this for me?

Many years ago I heard that soy products and sweet potatoes enhance the bodies' natural production of estrogen. I don't know if this is true, but I do make sure to eat lots of tofu and sweet potatoes 

zythyra

Red Clover? Can you find that in any form in like a health food store, or better yet a grocery store like Stop N' Shop?


I should go to the intro section, this just really caught my eye. Thanks

Quote from: deviousxen on August 04, 2007, 02:37:34 AM
Red Clover? Can you find that in any form in like a health food store, or better yet a grocery store like Stop N' Shop?


I should go to the intro section, this just really caught my eye. Thanks

Yes, you're probably better off going to a health food store. There you're most likely to find the herbs. There are alot of herbs that you can't find at the grocery store. Another thing you can try is online.
Just google  herbal supplements  and all kinds of info. will show up.
There ,You'll also find many sites that you can order them from.

Hopefully with my face! I'd look like some weird villanous elf thingy from LOTR or something!

...well...maybe I am just a little villanous (not spelled correctly methinks)

Quote from: Melissa on August 02, 2007, 12:14:09 PM

Quote from: Sophia on July 31, 2007, 09:36:45 PM
Not so much that its easier to have a masculine feature pointed out, and more that a perfectly feminine GG and a perfectly feminine TS may have slightly different reactions because of the different social exposure. It probably differs with age.

I'm not making any sense am I?

I think it depends on how much truth there is in a statement.  For instance, if the TS woman is still pre-op and some comment was made on genitalia or perhaps a female history or even periods, that may have a more negative effect on the TS, because there is truth in it.  I think it really depends on the circumstances and the particular thing that was said or asked.  So, I think in some situations you are correct and others may have the same reaction on the person.  Again, it depends on how much truth is in a statement.

Yeah probably true.

Quote from: Melissa on August 02, 2007, 12:14:09 PM
Yes, you made more sense in that last statement.

Yay!

Quote from: Kat on August 03, 2007, 10:35:01 PM
I don't have silicone enhancers, but what I did was take some water-bra pads I found at target, and some "Thank Goodness it Fits" bras from Kohls.  The bra has a opening in the lining on the side that the water-bra pad can be stuffed into.  Adds a lot more size than using the padding normally.  I am also an AA right now and this works fine for me 

Of course this limits my clothing choices, but I can live with it until the itty bitties become not so itty bitty.

I just ordered a pair of enhancers from JCPenny so I hope they work well.  I like how my breasts are now, but I'd love to be able to fill my B cup bras for school. 

My chest just looks too small because my stomach sticks out a little, so anything up top just doesn't look like much under a tight fitted shirt, unless it's a full B cup.  I need to start exercising...

Quote from: zythyra on August 03, 2007, 11:16:03 PM

QuoteA GG friend of mine told me that eating Tofu might help with breast growth and further feminization, because it contains estrogen.  Can anyone verify this for me?

Many years ago I heard that soy products and sweet potatoes enhance the bodies' natural production of estrogen. I don't know if this is true, but I do make sure to eat lots of tofu and sweet potatoes 

zythyra

Does it help with your feminization at all?

~Fae