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Started by stephaniec, January 17, 2014, 01:52:21 PM

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stephaniec

If scientists discover that a certain sequence of genes produces the affect of desiring to have the opposite gender and they are able to treat the condition the same way as is used in HRT except with different chemicals and at the same cost as HRT and grs. Do you think you'd have a difficult time choosing between how you wanted to live. sorry for the question I got bored
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Ms Grace

I don't doubt this will eventually become a reality. I've been thinking of a great sci-fi story along those exact lines for some months now.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Marina mtf

For me the answer could be a probably yes, because transition is not "perfect", so the choice is a bit biased, and
I understand that transition will never correct 100% the condition.

If the choice would be between "being without GID and happy to play the role of man" and "become a real female
(period, pregnancy included!)" well... I won't wait a millisecond for transition... even if the transition would
include the total loss of the preceding life (job, family, capital...)


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Suziack

I can't really answer your questions, but for those who are interested, Joseph McMoneagle writes on page 243 in his 1998 book, The Ultimate Time Machine, (which is about remote viewing into the past and future), "You will be able to have your physical sex changed by 2260. This will include hormonal responses, most physical characteristics, and voice alteration. The change will be undetectable."  So, there is only a 240 or so years wait, which is a drop in the bucket, historically speaking

I would be less interested in his predictions, were it not that so many of them have already come true, including 911. Interestingly, he writes on the following page, "Between 2015 and 2020, members of a medical sex clinic somewhere in Western Europe will be arrested for genetic manipulation of unborn children. Their goal? To produce a supply of hermaphrodite children to Middle Eastern Brothels." I recently came across information that prostitution in Israel is not illegal. Does McMoneagle's prediction refer to Israel? I don't know, and I don't know if prostitution is legal or illegal in other (Muslim) Middle East countries.

What what gender would these hermaphrodites possess (if produced)? I guess we'll have to wait and ask them, although it doesn't actually say they will ever be produced.

Gene therapy, by one means or another, is already here, and will only become more widespread in capability and use. I would considering using it to change some of my own attributes, depending on what they are, when the therapy becomes available, risk profile, etc.

As for being given the option through gene therapy to alter one's gender, perhaps in some countries it won't be an option, but a forced selection, with no alternative. I think humanity is progressing too rapidly for that to happen, but it's a possibility.

If you torture the truth long enough, it'll confess to anything.
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stephaniec

I think I've lived   Knowing  that I really don't like living as a male .So if given the option I'd be coming from the point of view of knowing that I'm not male mentally and given  the choice is mine, I'd have to go with the HRT. It's more that I don't really feel good in the male role and even if those thoughts could change by the new therapy , from my perspective I wouldn't want it. I like the idea of being female regardless of my genes. If that makes sense.
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FalseHybridPrincess

After living so many years as a guy and knowing what it means to be one,,,Id much rather transition...better trans girl than a normal dude...
http://falsehybridprincess.tumblr.com/
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Also lets be friends on fb :D
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vlmitchell

Actually, there has been research in this area. Interestingly enough, it's not a gene introduction that changes the physical sex in mammals, it's a protein which changes the active/non-active status of a particular gene expression. When introduced in mice in a lab environment, female mice changed physical sex completely. Ovaries turned to testes, a phallus formed and the vaginal canal closed.

It's likely that this would be available to the market in 2017 if it's fast-tracked.

I can't find the article but it was released in 2012 as peer verified results.
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BunnyBee

I don't want to give some non-existent guy my body, it's mine.  To change my mind out for a male one is to murder me.
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: Suziack on January 17, 2014, 04:23:21 PM
"You will be able to have your physical sex changed by 2260. So, there is only a 240 or so years wait...


Did he happen to mention anything about when we'll be able to significantly extend our lifespan, by 240 years or so?
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: stephaniec on January 17, 2014, 01:52:21 PM
If scientists discover that a certain sequence of genes produces the affect of desiring to have the opposite gender and they are able to treat the condition the same way as is used in HRT except with different chemicals and at the same cost as HRT and grs. Do you think you'd have a difficult time choosing between how you wanted to live. sorry for the question I got bored


Do you mean in place of transitioning and staying as you are and having your gender "corrected" instead?
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Seras

Quote from: Jen on January 17, 2014, 07:46:17 PM
I don't want to give some non-existent guy my body, it's mine.  To change my mind out for a male one is to murder me.
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Aina

The funny thing is, I've wondered why I wanted to be female, but never really wondered why I don't want to just be male. I feel at this point if I shun is completely away that I feel almost as if I am giving up a part of "me".

I don't know what I'd do to tell you the truth.
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JustEmily

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 17, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Actually, there has been research in this area. Interestingly enough, it's not a gene introduction that changes the physical sex in mammals, it's a protein which changes the active/non-active status of a particular gene expression. When introduced in mice in a lab environment, female mice changed physical sex completely.

what a brave new world that would be.  To choose and change.  It would be chaos.  I can't wait to see if it comes to pass! :-)
Not all who wander are lost.

-JRR Tolkien
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 17, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Actually, there has been research in this area. Interestingly enough, it's not a gene introduction that changes the physical sex in mammals, it's a protein which changes the active/non-active status of a particular gene expression. When introduced in mice in a lab environment, female mice changed physical sex completely. Ovaries turned to testes, a phallus formed and the vaginal canal closed.

It's likely that this would be available to the market in 2017 if it's fast-tracked.

I can't find the article but it was released in 2012 as peer verified results.


Could this write up on a study be the one you're referring to?

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/20/one-gene-keeps-mickey-from-turning-into-minnie/#.Utn3W7QzFEY
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: JustEmily on January 17, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
    what a brave new world that would be.  To choose and change.  It would be chaos.  I can't wait to see if it comes to pass! :-)


Yes, it would be interesting to see what the world would look like after the dust had settled from that development.
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Tori

Whait.

Why is Gene in therapy?


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kelly_aus

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 17, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Actually, there has been research in this area. Interestingly enough, it's not a gene introduction that changes the physical sex in mammals, it's a protein which changes the active/non-active status of a particular gene expression. When introduced in mice in a lab environment, female mice changed physical sex completely. Ovaries turned to testes, a phallus formed and the vaginal canal closed.

It's likely that this would be available to the market in 2017 if it's fast-tracked.

I can't find the article but it was released in 2012 as peer verified results.

Whether an ethics committee would let this anywhere near a human remains to be seen.. And I have a feeling it won't be good news..
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Allyda

Quote from: stephaniec on January 17, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
I think I've lived   Knowing  that I really don't like living as a male .So if given the option I'd be coming from the point of view of knowing that I'm not male mentally and given  the choice is mine, I'd have to go with the HRT. It's more that I don't really feel good in the male role and even if those thoughts could change by the new therapy , from my perspective I wouldn't want it. I like the idea of being female regardless of my genes. If that makes sense.
+2, again Stephanie you summed it up pretty well to the way I feel about, and would choose concerning this issue. ;)
Allyda
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Ltl89

In the past, I would have easily have gone for it.  I had major issues with being trans and have these feelings.  It would have been much easier  for me to have been a normal straight cis guy; however, that's far from who I am and denying myself is too painful and depressing.  Nowadays, I'm quite happy with everything.  I've come to like that I'm a girl and that I'm straight.  I'm more happy about who I am and excited about the future rather than feeling self hatred/ disgust that I once had.  Athough, I'm still having difficulties with the fact that I'm a transwoman and not just a woman.  The limitations and the social stigma is hard for me to deal with at times.  Maybe this will go away once I move forward and I'm living full time as female.  Perhaps being trans will be more like a small tidbit of background info rather than the major dilemma it is now to me?
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Emmaline

Interesting study thanks for posting.

Body... meet brain.  Now follow her lead and there will be no more trouble, you dig?



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