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the thread that can't be derailed....

Started by cynthialee, December 03, 2011, 09:47:32 AM

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Shantel

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on January 09, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
I got stuck in the snow the other day, so I threw some mindless drivel down and got enough traction to get moving again.
Thank goodness I carry some of this thread with me in the winter.

The tread thread!  :D
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Jamie D

Quote from: MadelineB on January 09, 2014, 12:51:42 AM
My B-12 shots didn't do the trick, so I asked my doctor for a B-52 shot instead. It lifted my energy alright, and then it dropped me on another country. The bomb!

You need a shot of B-52s?!?!

At your service ...


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ativan

Thought I would drivel mindlessly for a minute or so...
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"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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Jamie D

It occurred to me how powerful a "positive push" can be.
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Pica Pica

Quote from: Jamie D on January 23, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
It occurred to me how powerful a "positive push" can be.

It gave birth to a lot of people.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Jamie D

Very good, Pica Pica!

That sort of wit will serve you well.  :D
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930310

If f(x)=5e^(x^2)
The derivative would be f'(x)=10xe^(x^2)
And the second-derivative would be f''(x)=(2x^2+1)10e^(x^2)
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Shantel

Quote from: 930310 on January 29, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
If f(x)=5e^(x^2)
The derivative would be f'(x)=10xe^(x^2)
And the second-derivative would be f''(x)=(2x^2+1)10e^(x^2)

Huh ???
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Huggyrei

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Kaelin

Quote from: Shantel on January 30, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
Huh ???

Calculus.

The starting function is y = 5e^(x^2).  To see that visually, uhh...

http://www.quickmath.com/webMathematica3/quickmath/equations/solve/advanced.jsp#c=solve_advancedsolveequations&v1=y+%3D+5e%5E(x%5E2)&v2=y

It's that.  The ^ symbol means we're setting up an exponent.

After that, we're trying to take derivatives.  They're Calculus and all, but derivatives are fancy way of saying "what is the rate of change" or "slope" for the function.  Since most functions aren't lines, the "slope" of your graph changes as x changes.

Functions that look like y = x^n have pretty nice derivatives.  You multiply the right-hand side by the exponent and then reduce the exponent by one.  Algebraically, the derivative is y' = n * x^(n - 1).  In this problem, you're first using y = x^2, which will have a derivative of y' = 2x.

y = e^x has a wonderful derivative: y' = e^x.  Yes, the derivative is the original function.

Multiplying a function by a constant number (like 5) just means your derivative gets multiplied by the same amount.  So y = 3x^5 ends up having a derivative of y' = 3*(5x^4) = 15x^4.

Now things get a little weird, but we're almost ready.  The chain rule says that if you have a function of a function, like y = f(g(x)), the derivative is y' = f'(g(x))*g'(x).  So you first only take the derivative of the outer part and leave the inner intact, and then you multiply the result by the derivative of the inside.

Here we go.  Our function is: y = 5e^(x^2).  This is a "function of a function" situation.  That x^2 means you have an inner function of y = x^2, so let's call it g(x) = x^2.  We can basically change our function to now be y = 5e^g(x).  If we use f(x) = 5e^x as our outer function, this leads to f(g(x)) = 5e^g(x) = 5e^(x^2).

We need to figure out f'(g(x)), so we first find f'(x).  Well, f(x) = 5e^x, so f'(x) = 5e^x (the 5 just copies down, and e^x just goes to e^x).  Awesome.  Since f and f' are the same, it means f'(g(x)) is just f(g(x)) all over again, so f'(g(x)) = 5e^(x^2).

Next, we need g'(x).  g(x) = x^2, so g'(x) = 2x (multiply by 2, lower the exponent from 2 to 1).

Finally we put it all together.  [f(g(x))]' = f'(g(x))*g'(x) = 5e^(x^2) * 2x = 10x^(x^2).

Yay, we did math. \o/

[The second derivative isn't much harder, but we did a good job already with the first one.]
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Shantel

OMG astrophysical calculations and quantum physics are over my head, I was lucky to remember my geometry when I needed it for work. Now my head is spinning, you are such smart girls!
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King Malachite

too much math for me

I'm just happy to know basic addition and subtraction....somewhat.
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Kaelin

To be fair, students aren't expected to take all that in with just one example and a few minutes of reading a text-only Internet post.  I would normally spend a week of lectures building all those properties up, and you would be getting a lot of practice with other looks at derivatives before that.
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Huggyrei

Huzzah for calculus! :)

(My MSc was in Numerical Solution of Differential Equations)
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930310

Now I made your heads spin!  >:-)
But to be fair this is just a bit of the calculus that we learn in high school here in Sweden. If you want to see a really beautiful formula check this one out:


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Shantel

Quote from: 930310 on January 31, 2014, 02:27:53 AM
Now I made your heads spin!  >:-)
But to be fair this is just a bit of the calculus that we learn in high school here in Sweden. If you want to see a really beautiful formula check this one out:


That says something for Swedish high schools, here the kids don't get taught anything, it'a abysmal! I managed a business and always gave HS graduates who wanted to work as cashiers a basic math quiz. Many were unemployable because they were unable to do general math and I had to tell them they were in trouble because of it and would be smart to get a tutor and take a general math course.
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930310

And even then Swedish schools are considered among the worst in Europe, our neighbor Finland is usually among the best.
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