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Is this a normal response to coming out?

Started by LivingTheDream, January 24, 2014, 01:31:10 AM

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LivingTheDream

Today an online gaming buddy that I have known for a few years and I were talking about depression and other things. During our talk, she mentioned I act and think kinda girly (I'm MTF so I kinda chuckled at that, she doesn't know that though). So i decided to tell her. After telling her numerous times (she's from China, doesn't speak English very well), I finally said it right so that she understood it. We then spent the next few hours talking and debating about it. She said no matter what you'll never be a real girl which I guess technically is true but still made me mad a bit. I just find it funny that even though she came right out and said that I act and think girlish, when I finally told her I wish I was one, she went into total denial about it. She says that I'm just super duper depressed and therefore am thinking this way, I said what if it is the other way around, that I'm super depressed because I hate my life, my looks and my body and she just couldn't understand that. What she said though is a super important question, one I still haven't quite figured out for sure myself. Anyways, we still friends and talking at least for now, so guess it didn't go too bad...It did seem like she said she could never see me as a girl tho, that I will always be a guy to her, guess we'll have to see how that goes later on. She also doesn't believe I could ever pass, thinks this whole thing would make me more depressed cause I'd be totally alone after. Could be true, only thing i really worried about is my voice cuz it's so ungirly :(

-Kelly
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FalseHybridPrincess

It cant get more normal than that...

Its sad but I cant imagine anyone replying like that\
"oh you want to become a girl , wow thats awesome !"...yeah ...

Even though she told you that you act like a girl im sure she didnt had that in mind...
thats how cis people are , for them chaging your gender seems,,,seems so alien and wierd etc etc , I dont even know...
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FilaFord

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Jenna Stannis

Yeah, I think you have to be a bit forgiving in this department. I don't really understand everything to do with my gender identity and I've been studying it and trawling through trans* forums for 2-years now. Imagine what it's like being hit with this stuff out of nowhere.
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FilaFord

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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: FilaFord on January 24, 2014, 01:56:01 AM
As trans people we were constantly questioning our gender identity subconsciously until the point where you have the self-realization that "well holy ->-bleeped-<-, I'm not the gender I thought I was" moment.

I've cross-dressed since the age of seven, but I can't remember when I actually had that "eureka!" moment. I suspect that it was really very late into adulthood. Like within the last decade (I'm 44). That said, I am sceptical of having lived as the "wrong" gender all these years. In fact, I now doubt that gender is anything beyond a social construction.
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nether

I told my girlfriend that I was really a woman and she said "no you're not." Lol I know damn well I am thank you very much. I dropped it for a while but brought it back up much later. I think it's impossible for others to really understand if they don't have the same feelings. I agree with js though. What does it even matter to others? If you want to put on a dress and frolic in a field, do it! You'd get the same looks as someone with too many piercings.
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kountrygurl

Yea I think this is one of the biggest hurdles we face with the people we have known before transitioning. For me at least my family is having the hardest time with seeing me as a women. I always tried to be extra "manly" for most of my life. Its not that their not supportive because they really are. Its just they are having are tough time rapping their mind around the fact that someone that was always the alfa male type was in reality over acting the part to keep everything hidden from the world. I'm trying to give everyone as much time as they need to come around. The way I see it , it took me nearly 40 years to fully accept it how can expect they can just over night.
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LizMarie

I am still living with my spouse after 37 years of marriage as I transition. She wants a divorce but is going back to school as she has been out of the workforce for several years. I'm not begrudging her that even though this is slowing my own transition down in some respect (financial aspects). We now go to lunch together and I wear feminine casual clothes (jeans, sneakers, pierced ears, longer hair (except for the male pattern baldness areas that I hide with a hair piece or a cap), feminine tops/sweaters, and I carry a purse. I've started facial hair removal and though I have a long way to go apparently it's already enough that, with a close shave, I get gendered as "Ms." or "Maam" fairly often now. And each time, my spouse, who has known about this now for 21 months, is stunned. She says she just doesn't see it.

But she also doesn't want to let go of "him". She broke down crying the other day and I gave her a hug. She said, "I miss you" and I was stunned. I've been here the entire time but she has ignored me for 21 months and cut me off from large swaths of her life. I wasn't quite sure what to say so I said, "I never meant to hurt you" but it felt a bit hollow, as she has clearly meant to hurt me for choosing to be me.

I've learned not to fight with her, to just ignore her rants, her emotional outbursts, and try to be friendly and supportive. But this is what happens when someone has deeply preconceived notions of who you are and demands that you live up to them.

"Selfishness is not living your life as you wish. It is asking others to live their lives as you wish." -- Oscar Wilde

When I was trying to understand all this, a very dear and supportive friend wrote the following back to me. (Note: The legal first name I plan to adopt is Cara, just for reference, as it is a Gaelic female equivalent of David, and I chose that, because in a sense, it still honors my mother's choice of first name for me.)

Quote"Ah, but you are gone. Cara is an almost completely different person than David was. You probably don't see how much from your perspective, but to the rest of us, it's obvious.

Basically, she is a widow. The man she was married to no longer walks this earth. Yet there was no closure, no final goodbye, just a slow slipping away that she has been and still is living with, seeing daily. I can see her going through the stages of grief, but the particular position she is in makes that difficult and probably slower than it would otherwise be. The five stages of grief are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance (not necessarily in that order, and some people never make it to the acceptance part). Sound familiar? There's no shortcut through them either. I think she'd benefit from counseling, but that's her decision. I'm not excusing her behavior, but I can completely understand the difficulty she's going through. I think she's starting to come out the other side of it, but it's going to take some time before she's completely there."

I realized that she was right too. Cara (me) is happier, more well adjusted, more outgoing, more open to chatting and talk, and far more likely to smile than David ever was. And I suppose for those that knew David for years, this is an abrupt change.

So while I know it can be difficult when others have trouble getting their heads around this, I think we need to be patient as well. Perceptions change slowly. I'm not suggesting that anyone specifically slow down your own transition, just that you be understanding that some people may take time (if ever) in coming around to see you as the real you.

The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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