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~ Long Coats: Dresses in disguise!" ~

Started by Stella Stanhope, January 20, 2014, 08:50:34 AM

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Stella Stanhope

~Hi everyone! ~

Just thought I'd mention that buying and wearing long coats can be a great substitute for wearing a dress when you can't! With the added benefit of long coats being socially acceptable on males!

I wore long great-coats and trench-coats for years before I decided to properly cross-dress in public, as the long coats felt like the skirts of a dress when I ran up stairs or spun around. It actually eased some of my dysphoria, so its worth a go, if you want to covertly feel feminine.

Nowdays I wear female coats which have nipped-in waists, but I chose designs that are androgynous, so I still just about get away with wearing the coats, despite the fact my silhouette looks pretty damn feminine. However....must be said that back in the 1800's, men's coats and their silhouettes took their visual cues from the female form, and it was socially acceptable for men to wear these coats that had poofy skirts and tight waists. That's another reason why the period was so elegant. And then the Victorian era and "the great masculine renunciation" came in, and men had to conform to a very restricted wardrobe consisting of greys and blacks in boxey shapes. And so much of this unimaginative and dull masculine bullsh*t in menswear still remains.  >:(

:-)



There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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Stella Stanhope

There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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izzy

I would seriously love to wear a womens coat or blazer. I found mens coats just dont fit right with me because i am slim. The slimmer waist is what i really need.
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Missadventure

I have several long womens coats. I love 'em. The only real way people can tell is because the buttons are on the wrong side, and most people aren't that observant. Plus, they hide what's underneath. I went to a gaming night two weeks ago with a bunch of friends. I'm not out to any of them, and yet, no one there had the slightest idea I was wearing a blouse and skirt under my coat. All they could see was my scarf, leggings and the coat. Awesome.

Sandra M. Lopes

Excellent tip indeed. And I totally adore long coats as well... specially waisted ones. I wish I had more space in my wardrobe for them.

As to wearing a feminine trenchy on top of my male clothes on everyday usage, I'm not that bold :)
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big kim

I've been wearing them since 1991.I have a long black overcoat which is great now we've got temperatures in single figures again
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Stella Stanhope

Yeaaahhhh! Go girls! I knew it was a good idea posting this thread!  :D

Haha, yes most people don't notice the reversed buttons, especially with double-breasted coats. When they do though, you can see the lights spring-on in their brains, and the cogs start turning. Its funny.

What's really hilarious, is back in the 1800s - men's silhouettes were very similar to female silhouettes, as they recognised elegance as being essentially a genderless concept. However, nowdays, exuding femininity &/or elegance is reserved for sexual purposes. Also, some elements of clothing which are completely genderless...are now solely for females.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Mens_fashion_plate_1826_2.jpg - a fashion plate of a typical well-to-do man from 1826. Stylised of course, but this was the fashion for men back then. And these men weren't all transgender or homosexual. And these were the days of no modern police-force either. So they could probably fight as well. And in those clothes. Modern masculinity and masculine presentation and acting aspirations are largely all irrelevant bullsh*t, sadly. Blame the Victorians and the "masculine renunciation" movement. It still goes on to this day.
http://historicalsewing.com/wp-content/uploads/084A-1825-30.jpg

And look! Friggin' ballet pumps with bows on!!! Imagine wearing those now, even if you are an openly gay male playwright on Broadway.

Also, take puff sleeves - they simply used to be how coats and jackets were made, right up until the early 20th century. Nowdays though, the one coat that retrieves me the most odd glances is the coat with very subtle puff sleeves.  Its one of the top 5 things that people look quizzically at me about, (another is the use of bobby-pins for hair, but that's another story).

I wear what I wear for three reasons - its elegant, it makes me feel more feminine due to the fact our era associates certain items with femininity, and thirdly - I like to wear stuff that was once undeniably masculine, to remind people that cultured men once-upon-a-time had a proper place in this world, and the freedom to be both masculine and feminine at the same time.

Go for it Sandra! Just but a very subtly waisted one. And unbutton it when you don't want to show how waisted it is. That's what I o. If I'm passing some potentially hostile people, I'll make the coat look more square and blocky by putting hands in pockets, and un-buttoning the coat.

http://www.clobbaonline.com/web_images/rose_melody_lady_crown_embroidery_coat.jpg
Buying one of these soon, for when I sightsee in London and wan to feel properly feminine. That coat is most definitely not masculine, its a bow and an ornament too far :p Its so beautiful and decadent!
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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barbie

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on January 20, 2014, 08:50:34 AM
Just thought I'd mention that buying and wearing long coats can be a great substitute for wearing a dress when you can't! With the added benefit of long coats being socially acceptable on males!

Yes. I have several long coats, apparently for women. I can wear them at my work place at any time, but for mini-skirt, it is nearly impossible.

My recently purchased item:



All young ladies admire my wearing it. Men also mostly positively comment on it.

barbie~~
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dalebert

I'm just going to derail this thread ever so briefly to say that it's great meeting another Stanhope fan. He's my favorite comedian.

Stella Stanhope

Barbie - that's a cute coat! I like the two tone effect. There's a fantastic coat on sale at UK's Debenhams, its for women, but is more boxey in shape, but is is striking in the right ways, it looks ace!

http://img.loveitsomuch.com/uploads/201312/13/jo/jonathan%20saundersedition%20designer%20dark%20grey%20herringbone%20coat-%20at%20debenhams.com-f89438.jpg
Its got such character. Very smart and kick-ass. Great for female professionals who want to project their assertive femininity . I'm still considering shnaffling it, before they all sell out.

Yes, totally! Its quite cool how many people comment on my coats. Women will blurt out "Oooh, I love that coat" and then there's a pause, where they think... Hmmmm, I'm complimenting a guy on his choice of coat because I want his coat... weeeeiirrrdddd." :p My male friends just tsk. But it is fun discussing coats with other girls, and they notice when I wear something nice, which is a big difference to chaps who don't notice &/or wouldn't feel comfortable commenting if they did.

Dalebert - Haha! Yes! Not many people mention why I call myself "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink" :p I don't actually drink much at all. But I do love Stanhope, too! His arguments (and faux drunken rants) are so compelling and witty, that even if I don't agree with him ultimately, I'll still laugh my head-off and end-up agreeing with certain points.  He appears in short 5 minute segments on a UK show called Charlie Brooker's Newswipe/Weeklywipe and these are side-splitting! So, yes great to meet another Stanhope fan too :)
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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barbie

Photos of some of my long coats:


Price: ca. USD 20


Price: ca. USD 30


Price: ca. USD 110


Price: ca. USD 40

All are very affordable.

I hope they look androgynous.

barbie~~
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izzy

Barbie, I really like the style of your coats and I find many coats to be genderless.

I would Like to try this trench coat in black. Its a little feminine but its very stylish. i really like your tips stella.
http://www.express.com/clothing/classic+trench+coat/pro/9052536/cat2007
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barbie

Quote from: izzy on January 31, 2014, 07:24:28 PM
Barbie, I really like the style of your coats and I find many coats to be genderless.

I would Like to try this trench coat in black. Its a little feminine but its very stylish. i really like your tips stella.
http://www.express.com/clothing/classic+trench+coat/pro/9052536/cat2007

Wow. It's quite expensive, but I saw some women with brownish trench coat in Seoul. They looked so much elegant. Here those coats may cost several hundred $$$.

barbie~~
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izzy

Quote from: barbie on February 01, 2014, 12:58:11 AM
Wow. It's quite expensive, but I saw some women with brownish trench coat in Seoul. They looked so much elegant. Here those coats may cost several hundred $$$.

barbie~~
It is on the expensive side. I would only buy it under clearance with a discount then I could get it for a reasonable price.
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Stella Stanhope

Barbie - you have a lovely collection of coats, and your legs are gorgeous!! I also like the patterned tights, and the ones you are wearing with the blue coat - are they mockings or actual black stockings/knee-high socks?
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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barbie

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on February 03, 2014, 07:59:15 PM
Barbie - you have a lovely collection of coats, and your legs are gorgeous!! I also like the patterned tights, and the ones you are wearing with the blue coat - are they mockings or actual black stockings/knee-high socks?

Thanks! Yes. It is knee-high socks, and it was a little bit cold to wear them in November. But I put up with it.

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barbie

I came to my office on the early morning. My colleagues are mostly conservative and aged professors, and even younger female professors do not wear skirts like mine (juniors). But girl students freely wear those skirts even in winter. And their parents are usually younger than me. Should I just envy them?

I come here wearing juniors' miniskirts under my long coat. And hide my legs partially by the long boots, as exposing the entire legs of mine also can make some fuss or gossip among other professors.



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Stella Stanhope

Wow, you always seem to look fantastic and so stylish!

I'd love to do the boots + skirt + elegant coat combo, too :)

I've worn such outfits around the city (London) but not to work or family stuff. Yeah, envy the girls! :p I do all the time, lol.
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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barbie

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on February 20, 2014, 03:15:39 PM
I've worn such outfits around the city (London) but not to work or family stuff. Yeah, envy the girls! :p I do all the time, lol.

Now at my office.



It's time to go home and run for exercise. But, it is a little bit chilly.

barbie~~
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