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Started by Rielle84, February 01, 2014, 01:55:10 PM

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Rielle84

Hello!

I joined the forum a few weeks ago and I must say, it has improved my life drastically. I was being noticeably more upbeat and amiable after knowing I was not as alone as I thought. I had discussed my true feelings and my Dysphoria with my wife before, but this sparked a series of events that ended up in a VERY big week.

I want to start off by saying that the love and marriage I have are the deepest and most fulfilling I have ever had anything be in my life so far, I have true mature love and support and I am lucky to have married my best friend. She never subscribed to assigning gender labels or societal labels on anyone, she is just as comfortable with a hetero cis male dressing in a feminine way as she would if they were gay, bi, FtM or anything in this prismatic range that is people. That is why it was hard for me to explain what had taken me more than 25 years to understand about myself. I had been asked why go for GRS when i can just shave and grow my hair long and dress as girly as I want. She always goes on to describe stilettos blonde wigs and pink tube tops in her examples, which were really irritating but I knew she was jesting. I could not express to her the deep longing I had to be as outwardly female as I felt, it ended up sounding superficial and the word selfish was mentioned when discussions got heated sometimes.

I try very hard to explain that even if I were to just live it out dressing, behaving and identifying as the way I am, I would feel severely dishonest; rolling in tar and feathers and telling everyone "Hey I'm a chicken!" I just would not feel genuine to myself and therefore others and I would just end up coming off as a fake caricature of myself.

Now not all is gloom and doom, there is a surprising turn of events that happened earlier in this: I was very tired, as I always am after years of heavy depression I have long bouts of extreme tiredness that make me unable to even sit and enjoy a movie or a computer game, which ended up aggravating the depression and the cycle goes on. As I stayed home and slept through longer that i wanted, my wife and mother came home from shopping and one of them had said loudly and jokingly in a deep voice how they were going to steal stuff and take the tv and computers. At that time  I had woken up startled and thought the "robbers" were at my sister's room. The feeling of panic and personal failure at my constant sleeping through things reached a critical mass and I was a drowsy apologetic mess, which severely irritates my wife when I am always sorry. We stayed in the kitchen and started to argue and it then turned into a fight. Being the mama bird she is, my mom tried to referee and play the moderator but her own feelings got in the way majorly. Mom did not know the underlying issues of my reserved and apologetic nature, so she though i was being oppressed. My wife has always been a no nonsense, 'suck it up buttercup' kind of teacher, and while that clashes with my more sensitive personality it has helped and we both try to understand each other's personalities in a healthy way. But sometimes I have trouble noticing that I just need to let something go and move past it as she has trouble noticing that sometimes I just need to be held and told it is all going to be ok, regardless of the situation at hand.

After that at dinner, the tension was palpable and mom just burst out, saying that our relationship was "sick" (this was regarding her perceived submissive role that I was taking in my marriage) and that word   
made me feel like it was directed at me, I somehow felt that I was being told I was "sick" and the choking fear and nerves crept up my spine and chest.

Effectively blaming my wife for me being broken and depressed, my wife ended up being so angry she packed bags to leave (since we were living in a large town house with her so we could get back on our feet financially). I was at a total loss as to what to do, caught in the middle of two people i loved who didn't understand each other because they didn't fully understand me. I then decided to do the scariest thing I could think of: Come out to my mom. Now, my mom was not horrible and intolerant, far from it. She, my sister, wife and myself are Wiccan and have known intolerance because of that and open minds are abound, but it was still scary.

I came up and started to explain, as I trembled and shook, with my voice breaking up, she got closer and held my hand and as I told her she just hugged me and kept telling me she loved me. It was like breathing, a weight off I carried for so long. This confession ended up bridging a dialogue that led to my wife and mother to gain greater respect for each other and polarized our bonds. I later came out to my sister and that went fast and as casual s talking about movies, she was so ok with it it was funny!

What my dread was, and the BIG issue, was coming out to my stepdad. He is a huge guy and often (unintentionally) intimidating. After having a talk on a car ride just the two of us, regarding his not at all un-misogynistic views on gender roles and his Romano-Catholic position on a man not suffering a woman to be above him. After having that talk urge me to tears and shakes when I came back home, I was ready for the worst when it came for me to say things. mom said she would "take care of him", I thought maybe hinting or suggesting but one day after they both came home, I was helping with dinner and they came up and he said "So, your mom told me." *Instant seize up* "T-told you?", "Yup." *dreadful silence* " Makes no difference to me, I am ok with it." *double takes taken, bricks being shat, all amounts of liquids being spit out enough to make a wall look like a Jackson Pollock*

So this big scary thing ended up just being OK! It was unbelievable and so very relieving. Later it was said that he really thought that he should be against it considering his faith and upbringing, but he just couldn't see anything wrong with it. Faith in humanity restored! All of this led to now, talks and talks about what i thought and felt, I ended up finding out mom felt hurt that I "didn't trust her" to say this to her until I was almost 30 and that it was kinda fishy I didn't indicate anything before just a few years back. I wanted to explain that I didn't fully understand myself, coupled with fear of ridicule, persecution, ETERNAL HELLFIRE... those kind of things give one pause to reflect. I never considered making anyone feel trapped by my decision, I realized I sort of came out after I got married, and there was the fear that I had known before that for sure and that I basically trapped her into a situation where she could not leave me, because she could not stop loving me. I hopefully soothed those fears, I don't know how eloquent I was, I am bad at communicating what i think on a good day.

We had been talking about how life will move on from here, how my family should treat me, how my intimate life will be (discussed with just my wife of course, cause otherwise..AWKWARD...)
I had basically given my wife no choice but to live as a lesbian, which again, she does have Bi tendencies but she thought she made a commitment when we married so it was hard for her to struggle with her feelings and needs over this. But after the clearest and deepest communication in years we are starting to see that we can have a very healthy intimate relationship and a very satisfying love life even after GRS, and maybe even especially after ;P

We had settled on doing the change slowly: Hair, skincare, manicure, wight loss, gender neutral clothing leaning towards popularly feminine styles ( until i lose enough weight i cannot shop in most female stores *sniff*) It will take an enormous expense especially us trying to get on our feet and getting our own place. Tallying all of it it would be near 7 figures of expenses that will have us struggling, and I do not want to be that selfish. The door is not closed on it however, and we will make a nice savings nook for it so I can eventually have the surgeries. I am hoping It will not be too late, but seeing so many great older ladies looking fantastic here, I don't feel so bad about it taking 5-10 years.

With all of that I end with a few questions for you wonderful people to help me out in deciding where to go.

1. Would anyone know the names of any clinics or support groups in British Columbia near Vancouver that provide the psychological evaluation and support needed before HRT?

2. How much would HRT round out my hips and butt? (very important to a latin lady!) I would like to not need to have hips/butt implants If I can help it.

3. Unless I am mistaken, most of us here are not millionaires, so I wonder how one could come about gaining the funds for the huge expenses of the doctors visits and surgeries on a minimum wage income?

4. I am very afraid of voice feminization surgery, I rather take vocal classes. Are there any free courses or videos that are easy to understand and comprehensive?

5.Are there any reliable forms of hair removal that can remove a LOT of hair from body-wide nooks and crannies without relative hassle, or do i have to hire a personal sheep-shearer for the rest of my life?


Thank you everyone for taking the time to read this, I hope my story helps others in some way as other stories have helped me.


Take care, and have a blessed day!

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stephaniec

sorry, don't have answers to you questions. there are more informed people around here. good luck though great start.   
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Rielle84

Quote from: stephaniec on February 01, 2014, 02:19:40 PM
sorry, don't have answers to you questions. there are more informed people around here. good luck though great start.

Thank you for your kind words. Even though you may not have had answers to my questions, I still appreciate you taking the time to read and comment!
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ana

Vicky my heart goes out to you. I'm in Toronto so I cant really help you but if you are looking for a therapist specializing in GID, try searching this site. Here is a link https://www.susans.org/cgi-bin/tseek/search2.cgi 

I am sure there are Vancouver references in the link. It's a start anyway.

Anyways, I'm sure there are other girls from Vancouver that will respond to you once they see your post.

many hugs
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.... Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."
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Joan

I'm afraid I can't really help much either with your questions (try some of the threads in the various transitioning forums), but I just wanted to say I'm do glad for you how it's working out. When I read your mother's response my eyes filled with tears.

Good luck with your new future :)
Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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Rielle84

Quote from: ana on February 02, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
Vicky my heart goes out to you. I'm in Toronto so I cant really help you but if you are looking for a therapist specializing in GID, try searching this site. Here is a link https://www.susans.org/cgi-bin/tseek/search2.cgi 

I am sure there are Vancouver references in the link. It's a start anyway.

Anyways, I'm sure there are other girls from Vancouver that will respond to you once they see your post.

many hugs

Thank you, that really helps!
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Rielle84

Quote from: Joan on February 02, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
I'm afraid I can't really help much either with your questions (try some of the threads in the various transitioning forums), but I just wanted to say I'm do glad for you how it's working out. When I read your mother's response my eyes filled with tears.

Good luck with your new future :)

AWW! I didn't know my story could touch people like that! Thanks for the response and the well wishes!
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MiMo

I cried a bit reading your story. It's very beautiful how much acceptance you've been met with from your family. Truly something to be grateful of. Many are not so lucky. To fully express how much of a 'urge' it is for a TS person to transition... you probably couldn't explain that to someone who haven't experienced it. It is not really clear but I hope you have someone to talk to about your bouts of tiredness. It could stem from a lot of things (not just dysphoria) so, could be worth looking into.

Some of your questions:
2. HRT changes fat distribution throughout the body but it is one of the slower effects. Also, as always with changes like this it's YMMV. Your height and genetic disposition plays a part.

3. I'd look into what your insurance covers. I don't know anything specific about where you live though.

4. The voice therapist that I went to recommended nothing less than an app (yeah I was surprised too) http://exceptionalvoiceapp.com/about/aboutexceptionalvoice/. It might be good and it might not be, I haven't tested it.

Generally, with info on how to change your voice (and there's a whole lot if you look) you have to be critical.

5. Do you mean permanently or just for a few weeks? Waxing always works if you can get past the whole undressing in front of stranger part. But I guess you mean permanent. The most modern way of getting rid of hair seems to be laser (like IPL) which burns the hair. Usually this only reduces hair however and hair growth might come back in full force. Electrolysis is (from my experience) more permanent, but can also be very painful which is a huge deterrent to many. Some combine both methods.

Also, chug a lot of spearmint tea! It really limits all kinds of hair growth (both body and face)

Blessed be Vicky!
Às vezes no silêncio da noite...
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Rielle84

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on February 03, 2014, 02:05:10 PM
Cheers, Vicky :)

OK, here we go!

Sorry, cant help with this :)

It depends on Your starting point. I had a bit above average hips and I have gained some extra fat on them so they look even wider. Butt... I hardly can complain in that area either :). No, I totally wont need butt implants.
Another factor to be considered is Your general body ratio - if You get Your waist slimmed down Your hips will look wider although they will remain the same. So, work Your waist, eat a lot (I know, those two things sound contradicting - and they are! Being female is about contradictions, btw!), and pray those calories go where You wanted. If not... start cardio-exercises, burn it down and start anew. Exciting, isn't it? :) Yeah, I love that part too :D.

I am doing a lot of stuff on budget and HRT here is quite cheep. If You are speaking about big surgery then perhaps some local Canadians might share information about insurance plans, cheapest routes (like avoiding unnecessary therapy sessions etc).

Look up CandiFLA on Youtube - she provides good starting base and You will see lots of related video links on the sidebars as well. Just review them, try out and pick whichever suits You. Once You get the overall idea - the rest is about training and patience. Having musical background helps too!

HRT will decrease the overall growth and weaken those little buggers. I was mostly concerns about my legs and obtained cheep one-speed Philips epilator (no cooling effects, no WiFi or 4G or other extras). It simply works. A couple of initial times is pain in the... parts You are epilating, but it gets easier and easier with each time and as You keep going, the HRT will kick in and Your body will get smoother and smoother in the long run. And hey - even cis-women have to shave their legs too! :) As for facial hair - I found Tria home laser removal to be invaluable.

I hope at least some of the stuff I wrote helps. If not, then at least it would make You chuckle ;).

More help than you know! Thanks a bunch hun!
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Rielle84

Quote from: MiMo on February 03, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
I cried a bit reading your story. It's very beautiful how much acceptance you've been met with from your family. Truly something to be grateful of. Many are not so lucky. To fully express how much of a 'urge' it is for a TS person to transition... you probably couldn't explain that to someone who haven't experienced it. It is not really clear but I hope you have someone to talk to about your bouts of tiredness. It could stem from a lot of things (not just dysphoria) so, could be worth looking into.

Some of your questions:
2. HRT changes fat distribution throughout the body but it is one of the slower effects. Also, as always with changes like this it's YMMV. Your height and genetic disposition plays a part.

3. I'd look into what your insurance covers. I don't know anything specific about where you live though.

4. The voice therapist that I went to recommended nothing less than an app (yeah I was surprised too) http://exceptionalvoiceapp.com/about/aboutexceptionalvoice/. It might be good and it might not be, I haven't tested it.

Generally, with info on how to change your voice (and there's a whole lot if you look) you have to be critical.

5. Do you mean permanently or just for a few weeks? Waxing always works if you can get past the whole undressing in front of stranger part. But I guess you mean permanent. The most modern way of getting rid of hair seems to be laser (like IPL) which burns the hair. Usually this only reduces hair however and hair growth might come back in full force. Electrolysis is (from my experience) more permanent, but can also be very painful which is a huge deterrent to many. Some combine both methods.

Also, chug a lot of spearmint tea! It really limits all kinds of hair growth (both body and face)

Blessed be Vicky!

This was very helpful, I did not know about the app and the spearmint ( I love mint!). I wanted to avoid lasers or electrolysis for the cost more than the pain. I see reliable as being very thorough even if it takes a weekly maintenance. I suppose Home waxing and old fashioned shaving have to do. I would just shave honestly but I am so prone to breakouts and ingrown hairs that it is crazy. I tried to clean thoroughly with witch hazel to help soothe and heal it but it comes out still if not as strong ( tried shaving my chest yesterday, BAD IDEA it is very itchy and sore even though it felt soft and comfortable before this morning.)

I thank you again for your help and hope your day brings you happiness!

Blessed Be!
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MiMo

Hmm. I think if you get that much of a reaction you could improve on your technique. Usually when it's like that your razor is too dull (so that the hairs get sorta torn off instead of shaven). Also don't make more than two passes with the razor. It dehydrates the skin every time so that's a bad idea. I had the same problem before I used proper shaving foam and a straight razor (you don't have to go brutal mode and get a straight razor. But something sharp and change blades often).

As for soothing cremes, anything with aloe vera, calendula and comfrey is good. Anything with alcohol in it should be avoided like the plague.

Please let me know if you want to talk by the way. :)
Às vezes no silêncio da noite...
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Rielle84

Quote from: MiMo on February 04, 2014, 06:02:16 AM
Hmm. I think if you get that much of a reaction you could improve on your technique. Usually when it's like that your razor is too dull (so that the hairs get sorta torn off instead of shaven). Also don't make more than two passes with the razor. It dehydrates the skin every time so that's a bad idea. I had the same problem before I used proper shaving foam and a straight razor (you don't have to go brutal mode and get a straight razor. But something sharp and change blades often).

As for soothing cremes, anything with aloe vera, calendula and comfrey is good. Anything with alcohol in it should be avoided like the plague.

Please let me know if you want to talk by the way. :)

That makes a lot of sense! I tend to go against the grain a lot cause it makes me anxious to have any roughness left. it probably doesn't help using bulk bag razors XD. Sadly there has been an economic ultimatum in this house, and what my stepfather promised has changed drastically to the point of us not being able to buy anything that isn't the cheapest we can. He has talked about money every single day for weeks and while he is out he even calls my mom and bitches about money to the point of making her cry every single day. This obsession has cost a lot of peace and made it difficult to get quality products.

On that lovely note, my stepfather seems to have modified his being "Ok" with me. He will be fine with us staying at his house pre-everything, but the moment any chance in dress or HRT is started then I am out of the house. I am not allowed in his house during the transition. He says according to mom that he will be ok after, but if he really was ok with it and me as a person why would it matter if i am there during unless he is not ok with it and does not consider me family enough to accept me unconditionally.

Anyways, ranting aside, I will look into getting better razors. I also used Nivea shaving lotion and that worked well for educing rash and dryness. I may use warm creams and frequently change razors to see if it improves.

Thanks so much for the helpful info!
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Rielle84

Disregard ALL of this. It was all pretty much bull->-bleeped-<-. Kicked the ->-bleeped-<- out for a couple of years and I am still hearing that I am to blame for things I don't even have influence over. Disowned, disrespected and had my life threatened by what I thought was my stepfather. Pretty much confirmed my mother didn't even really believe or understand I was trans, now my little brother...after having the courage to come out to me, is cut off from communicating at all from me and I am torn up at the thought of them attempting to help them through this "phase" I have "corrupted" him into. I feel so damned helpless...if it wasn't for my wife, I KNOW I'd be dead by now. I try to be strong, but it's so hard.
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CarlyMcx

I am sorry to hear things are not going well.  Sadly, parent problems come with being an adult trying to live your own life.

My parents are both in their eighties, and both in very poor health.  Dad had a stroke in 2009 and is bedridden and in a facility, and Mom had a mini stroke in 2011 and has been slowly declining ever since.  She is at home being taken care of my brother and is mentally declining every visit.  Lately she insists that I graduated from the high school she went to in New York, when I actually went to high school in Los Angeles.

I've been dressing for a year and started hormones last week, but I will not be coming out to either parent.  Neither one would fully understand the situation, and neither one needs to know.

And frankly, if dad were healthy...He was never directly confrontational.  He was more the sneaky, sly, creepy frenemy type.  He would turn every conversation to my gender situation (if he knew and could still talk) and he would populate the conversation with every fear, doubt, and bogeyman he could come up with to try to persuade me not to transition.  And he would never, ever let up.  That is the worst part.  He would just be full of "advice" and "suggestions" (and  act hurt and retaliate if they are not followed) and it would go on until I am in sick dread over any upcoming conversation with him, knowing that he does not actually care about me, only that I follow the script he prepared for my life.

One thing, though.  Once I went on hormones, I stopped being angry at him, and I stopped having imaginary fights with him inside my head.  YMMV.

I hope you are well.
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April_TO

1. You can go to any family doctor and get a referral to an endocrinologist. Or if the family doctor is trained then you can just sign an informed consent agreeing that you know the risks being on HRT.

2. It depends on how you will react with HRT. Your mileage will vary.

3. Doctor's visits are covered by your provincial health plan. Meds will be covered by your drug plan if you have one at work. Otherwise, it will be out of pocket.

4. You can download an app available on iTunes and Google Play. It might cost you less than 10$ people have reported improvements so it depends on how patient you are.

5. Electrolysis will work for every inch of your body. You need to book an appointment with an Electrologist.

Quote from: Rielle84 on February 01, 2014, 01:55:10 PM

With all of that I end with a few questions for you wonderful people to help me out in deciding where to go.

1. Would anyone know the names of any clinics or support groups in British Columbia near Vancouver that provide the psychological evaluation and support needed before HRT?

2. How much would HRT round out my hips and butt? (very important to a latin lady!) I would like to not need to have hips/butt implants If I can help it.

3. Unless I am mistaken, most of us here are not millionaires, so I wonder how one could come about gaining the funds for the huge expenses of the doctors visits and surgeries on a minimum wage income?

4. I am very afraid of voice feminization surgery, I rather take vocal classes. Are there any free courses or videos that are easy to understand and comprehensive?

5.Are there any reliable forms of hair removal that can remove a LOT of hair from body-wide nooks and crannies without relative hassle, or do i have to hire a personal sheep-shearer for the rest of my life?


Thank you everyone for taking the time to read this, I hope my story helps others in some way as other stories have helped me.


Take care, and have a blessed day!
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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