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Yeson voice surgery booked

Started by sarahb, September 16, 2013, 06:47:30 AM

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AmyBerlin

Dear Jenny,

Quote from: Jennygirl on January 12, 2014, 02:16:37 PM
That sounds pretty invasive, it sounds like he severs the vocal cords? I could be wrong though, it's hard to read that medical-speak!

I get the same impression. Reading this description, I'd well leave this particular procedure alone.

And regarding my previous posting: Jenny, I think you mentioned that using male resonance ("belting") was possible in ranges above the pre-surgical "belting limit" after surgery, is that so?

Regards,

Amy
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Jennygirl

It was nice skyping with you Amy :) Hope I answered your questions!
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AmyBerlin

Hi Jenny,

Quote from: Jennygirl on January 12, 2014, 03:36:57 PM
It was nice skyping with you Amy :) Hope I answered your questions!

The pleasure was all mine :-) You sure did!

Talk to you soon,

Amy
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Bobbi

Hi Jenny,
Thanks again for all your work on sharing your VFS results - I am so very grateful for your kindness.  Your voice is so beautifully feminine.

Now I just have a scheduling decision with Dr. Kim.

Love & hugs - Bobbi
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you.
If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."
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anjaq

#384
Sabrina - that doctor in Thailand seems to try to do the same as Dr Thomas and it sounds very invasive indeed, as Jenny said. I would be careful there.
If the law protects your transgender status so well in terms of employment, does nit not also protect you in terms of needing surgery and the need to take medical leave for that?

Bobbi - yes, I will be interested to explore the opter options, but my gut feeling draws me to Dr Kim - IF I can fix my voice issues that are preventing him from giving me a full OK.

Amy
QuoteThis is another female voice mannerism: in order to cut through, women use pitch, not volume.
Hehe, yes. I guess I am doing that as it works. I cannot increase volume by going lower as some people seem to try - I am heard even less then unless I guess if i would switch to the male register.

QuoteRegarding F0s, everybody's natural F0 seems to be their lowest frequency attainable, multiplied by 1.4-1.7. Our female F0 is an arbitrary choice, so it doesn't figure. The natural (male) F0 will shift with the surgery to form the new, female, F0.
Ok, yes that makes some sense, I guess. Though I feel somehow that if I go to the female register and relax, the F0 is not the same as if I go to male register and relax. The difference is about 20-30 Hz. If I take the male F0 as a starting point and add 75 Hz to that. I will not get into the clearly female range, as Dr Kim predicted in the assessment. I would be at around 175 Hz then, maybe 180 Hz. Which would however be fine with me as I can possibly add the 20 Hz or so by just slightly modifying my voice then as I am used to do it anyways.
I hope...

I was skyping today with someone who was in Berlin for the VFS there. I really love skyping as this really gives so much of a better impression on the voice and one can talk much more directly than by writing. She sounded quite ok, female no doubt really, but she was having some very noticeable hoarseness to the voice. For her that was acceptable, the main goal was not to be called "sir" on the phone or in situations where voice is the main gender identificator. So she is happy that she has done it. Apparently if you go to Berlin, you have to sign a waiver that states hoarseness might happen. Honestly even though she was ok with it the outcome did not increase my confidence in the people in Berlin doing nearly as good work as Dr Kim. However as it seems there is a consistency I noticed: As some others who had issues with the VFS with glottoplasty - in Berlin but i think also with Dr Kim, if I remember this correctly - it seems that all of those who had these issues were not able to keep the instructions or did not even get these instructions. Fully speaking after less than 2 weeks, whispering, smoking,... these seem to be big influences on the outcome. I am not even sure about coughing or sneezing but to actually talk and whisper a lot in that time seems to make the outcome hoarse or not pitch elevated. This also was the case for two more people I contacted and who did glottoplasty in Germany. So the woman I talked to yesterdayfor example had to speak before the end of week 2, she has family that needed speaking and within the first 2 months she had to talk very loudly at her job. Unlike me, she used a lower pitch to get over the noise, which would train the reshaped vocal chords to a low pitch I would fear... Also what she told me was that she lost a lot of strength and cannot scream anymore. But she was only 3 months post op as of now, so I would not even want to try screaming at this point and am not surprised that at this stage there is still a loss in volume. I hope she will heal more with time... but I was definitely leaning more towards going to Dr Kim after our talk, even if that means $7000 more money to be spent ;)
The other people I contacted also either started talking within the first 2 weeks or was a smoker and could not resist smoking just a day or two after surgery.

So I think it cannot be said enough that keeping to the instructions that Dr Kim gives are crucial ... not doing so may prolong the healing process or cause issues like hoarseness.

I have not yet met anyone from Germany who has managed to really keep to the instructions and some did not get instructions or did not take them seriously. Maybe this is the main cause why there is a bad reputation for VFS in Germany - I cannot exclude that a lot of the bad results are from not following the safety protocols, but I would think there would have to be at least some who managed to keep to the rules and get a good result - as this is not the case, I am doubtful about VFS in any place except Yeson or Dr Thomas.
Greetings

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LizMarie

US law and health care? Please don't get me started on the disaster that is US health care. :P
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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Kiwi4Eva

My latest voice update...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ck1gDJJTZD

Your comments are welcome (and you may like to compare my voice with my previous vocaroo post back in november 2013)
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anjaq

Hi, Kiwi4ever
I think the voice sounds quite good, but I can tell what you mean by hoarseness or breathiness, especially towards the end of the recording. I get the impression that VFS with this method actually is very good at getting the voice in the female range of perception, the risk more being said hoarseness in case something has not healed properly (yet?). I am sorry about you getting into that situation that did not allow you to keep your rest :( - I hope things will work out even better but as you are happy as of now, thats already good. Did they at Yesons tell you not to do the exercises as of yet but rather rest? Did I get that right?

Thanks for writing back to me and posting this clip in the forums :)
Ciao

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sarahb

It's been a little over 2 months since the surgery now, so I did the reading of the Rainbow Passage and the interview and sent them to Jessie. I'm not sure when they'll get them posted up on YouTube so I've embedded the ones I uploaded to my account here.

I'm curious to hear the difference between the recording of the rainbow passage they did pre-op and the one after 2 months. I went back and listened to my own recordings and it's such a drastic change! I've pasted a link to my full set of pre-op and post-op audio recordings I've done so far. They're in chronological order starting with my 3 pre-op recordings using a low, mid, and high voice, and then the rest are the recordings I did throughout the first month or so of recovery. From that point on I started doing videos instead, so there aren't any more audio-only recordings in that set.

Yeson Playlist on SoundCloud:
https://soundcloud.com/theartoflogic/sets/yeson/s-ey1Lo

Rainbow Passage:


Interview:
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sarahb

Quote from: Kiwi4Eva on January 12, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
My latest voice update...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ck1gDJJTZD

Your comments are welcome (and you may like to compare my voice with my previous vocaroo post back in november 2013)

Kiwi, I think your voice sounds really good. I think the ultimate confirmation on whether the surgery was successful is 1) are you comfortable with your voice now, and 2) what type of reactions do you get from those who hear your new voice, and in both of those cases it sounds like things are positive. I'm happy to hear it's working out for you, I really am.
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anjaq

The two videos.... soooo great. I am soooo envious. I mean, the only thing still noticeable, and that is just 2 months into healing, wsa that the voice gave out like 2 or 3 times slightly. But the sound and quality and clarity - its soo perfect. I think I need to run and do some voice exercises to get a better voice status next month that tells me I am improving. If I may, I will want to show that video to my voice people here to un-scare them from my idea to go to Yesons..? It will be public on Yesons channel anyways, right?
So seriously, I think this is the perfect outcome. I guess in 3-4 months it will be fine enough to really use the voice for anything you will want and then also the Botox will be gone Ig uess, which probably will make your voice louder, though as I understand it, it may lower pitch slightly? Would not matter anyways - there seems to be that compensating pitch increase with time that Jenny&Abby reported to well on before.
So happy for you <3

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AmyBerlin

Dear Sarah,

all I can say is: congratulations to your great result! Thanks for sharing it with us in your videos. You're making it real hard for me to wait those 3 more months to have the surgery as well :-)

Thanks,

Amy
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anjaq

Quote from: AmyBerlin on January 17, 2014, 02:54:10 PM
You're making it real hard for me to wait those 3 more months to have the surgery as well :-)
Hey - 3 months are nothing. If I could plan for it, it would be at least a year...

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Jamie D

Quote from: Kiwi4Eva on January 12, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
My latest voice update...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ck1gDJJTZD

Your comments are welcome (and you may like to compare my voice with my previous vocaroo post back in november 2013)

I think you voice and inflection is lovely, sweetheart, and I miss you very much.  It does sound a bit hoarse, but if your healing follows that of the other girls here, the result should be spectacular.  :)

I apologize for any of the pain you may have felt for the comments of some here.  I wish I had been able to help.   :-\
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sarahb

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AmyBerlin

Congratulations, Sarah! You're sounding great, and you keep sounding better every time :-)

Amy
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LizMarie

I am so happy for you, Sarah, and you sound awesome!
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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anjaq

Cool - really awesome - especially the part on feeing bad in a situation to better not talk and then it just works fine. Totally cool. I know these situations but am of course always a bit struggling with it. I am trying to get used to my lower voice for the time being ba working mor eon the tone and sound of it with voice rehab but also intentionally not going up in pitch as this causes hypertension again. I feel a bit awkward with the lowered pitch but I guess it makes it abundantly clear that I also have to work on some issues still especially prosody because ideally even the lower voice should sound female before going up in pitch. Ah well. Are you still feeling a bit sore from the surgery at this point? Its only been 10 weeks, right? So do you have to clear your throat or speak less loudly after you have been talking for a while?

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Boca.Lisa

Hi to everyone!

I'm new here and sorry to say I have been lurking for a little while trying to learn what I could. I've been in contact with Jessie at Yeson and am considering making an appointment for early May. I did have a few questions and hope that someone out there can help me.

I'm 48 and over the past 6-7 years I've been through countless hours of voice training. My original pitch was about 100 mhz and my trained pitch is about 200 mhz. I'm unable to get back to my original pitch but it does go as low as 160 mhz if I'm sick, had too much to drink the night before or if I've been talking loudly for extended period like in a club or noisy venue.

While I'm not technically stealth, staying in gender role is very importaint to me and the few times I do get read (or tink I do) it's like someone took away my air and I'm just wanting to do whatever it takes to be invisible. Most of my friends tell me I don't need it but there are times when my mother has told me that my voice deepened or when I feel like it has deepened which makes me uncomfortable.

That's what brings up the question. Has anyone had the surgery after successfully raising the pitch of their voice? I'm worried that the pitch will go too high and be inappropriate. Would I need to unlearn everything so my voice is always at a lower register? Any thoughts?

Thanks! I really appreciate all the info that has been posted here. It's been incredibly helpful.   

Lisa
2009 FFS #1 - Dr. Thiti (Bangkok, Thailand)
2010 FFS #2 -Dr. Darin (Bangkok, Thailand)
2010 BA and GRS - Dr. Thiti (Bangkok, Thailand)
2012 Body Work - Dr. Hockstein (Miami, Florida)
2014 VFS - Dr. Kim (Seoul, South Korea)
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anjaq

Thats a great question Lisa. I think Sarah is probably the best to answer as she did have some pitch raising before. Other than that, Amy will go in April IIRC and she has done pitch raising before as well. I feel you may be a bit similar to me as I also have a original of 100 Hz but I cannot et to 200 Hz usually. It is more like the 160 or even 140 mark. But I am also interested how voice patterns that are learned and trained over years (in my case 15) are affected. As i understand it the best case is that it just is easier to reach and stay at the higher pitch...?

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