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Started by cynthialee, December 03, 2011, 09:47:32 AM

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cynthialee

At the time of posting silver is at $19.165 and looking at the trends over the past couple years and taking into consideration the history of the metal....

The bottom for the year is close. I predict no lower than $18.500 for the end of winter/start of spring yearly low.

And here I am without a spare nickel to sink into silver.

(Do not deal in paper silver. Only accept the real deal and take delivery on purchase. The premium is worth it.)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Taka

amnesty international sheds some light on the injustice transgender people are often met with in europe.
hopefuly their meddling will make things better in the future.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR01/001/2014/en/13af83a1-85f5-476f-9fe9-b931f2b2a9f3/eur010012014en.pdf
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Kaelin

Quote from: Shantel on January 31, 2014, 06:58:15 PM
That says something for Swedish high schools, here the kids don't get taught anything, it'a abysmal! I managed a business and always gave HS graduates who wanted to work as cashiers a basic math quiz. Many were unemployable because they were unable to do general math and I had to tell them they were in trouble because of it and would be smart to get a tutor and take a general math course.

I haven't looked for ahead enough to confirm that we're covering Euler's formula (which makes the proof trivial), but in the Precalculus class I'm teaching this spring, we will at least get into De Moivre's formula.  But when the issue is brought up, it really makes me want to start with the generalized Euler's formula (not just saying e^ix, but to use e^z for z = a + bi because it's only one more step to cover any complex number).
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Shantel

Kaelin honey, you gals are talking way over my head, I am afraid that I am a pathetic math moron. I am a logical thinker but when it comes to math all logic goes right out the window. I must have some kind of mental block that says NO to math other than general math. I didn't get along with algebra either, it was a detriment to my professional working life later as a property claims adjustor. All I can say is thank God for computerized estimating programs!
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ativan

People struggle with equations simply because they are presented with what they perceive as an unknown to them.
Just because you don't have the background that tells you what these equations are, like they are a foreign language.
But you do use them in everyday settings. You do the same thing without thinking in terms of formulas, equations.
Just as you can estimate without knowing any math at all, knowing say, the approximate amount of something in a box.
Some people are better than others at doing this. Like guessing how many jelly beans in a jar to win the prize.
Math can tell you the exact number or a number that is close enough, within tolerance. 5,374,762 + or - 1.
Close enough to define the winner. It works if only one person comes close enough to that answer. Or you could count them all.
If you think about it, you logically breakdown the problem into smaller pieces and then put them together to get a good estimate.
Estimation has it's own value. There are times you don't need to know the exact answer to something that could be found through math.
You know it's going to take three people to lift something, instead of two. You didn't need to know the exact weight.
When you see equations and formulas, you see a foreign language. But you can easily understand it when you hear the words, instead of the symbols.
Indeed there are the ones that take more intelligence to understand than others, but only because of complexity or theory that you're not familiar with.
It's not a that you can't, it's only that you haven't been exposed to some of it.
People use these same kinds of equations and formulas everyday, all day, without realizing they are.
Only because you aren't thinking in that language of math and symbols used as shortcuts to get from one end to the other.
You can use them backwards with as much ease as you can most equations.
Math is simply a way of defining a more exact answer, or a way to simplify the equation to begin with.
Just as estimation involves abstract thinking, so does the math of equations and formulas.
Baking is a formula. You use the language of baking instead of the math.
You use the psychics of thermodynamics, without having to know the exact outcome.
Algebra is simply a way to state things of similar natures in terms that can be applied in different situations.
Higher math is the same, it gets you closer to the exact number you seek, the nature of how something works.
In a way that can be understood to apply to other things that are similar in those same ways.
The symbols and the way they can be used are not that different than language you use everyday.
It's beauty lies in the way it can be used to express something quantitatively in different ways, just as the use of a word here or there,
turning a sentence around to mean something different, yet the same, only because of the way you see it or interpret it.
It's the real language of numbers and how they interact with the everyday things we take for granted.
Just as the language you speak, you take for granted that the person listening to you understands what you just said.
Speaking to another person is a very abstract thing we do and taken for granted that they will understand.
Math and all of its intricate ways it can be used, is no more different in it's nature to define something abstract.
It's a language that express's in many ways, what you already know.
It takes your estimation of all those jelly beans in the contest jar and lets you figure out a better answer, or even the exact answer.
And by writing it down, you can then rework it to fit the needs of your problem that you're trying to solve.
It shows you ways of finding the number of jelly beans in different ways, from different perceived ways of seeing the jar and the contents.
It can be as simple as rudimentary language skills, to the flowing narration of that novel you can't put down.
The earliest languages used symbols and then progress into much more complicated things, like forming words out of letters.
Equations and formulas simply take the complication of words and turn them into symbols.
The beauty lies in the way the perception can be changed and used for different things of similar nature.
It simply describes what there is, just as the language you speak does.
We use words that have different meanings in the context of how they are used. Math isn't any different.
But it is a universal language that can be understood by people who speak in different languages.
It can be as beautiful as anything you've ever read or heard. It speaks to the people who use it.
It's the language that nature uses, it's universal. Math transcends all languages.
You can make a deal and buy something in a foreign land with it, without know the local language or dialect.
Whether simple or complicated, it's a beautiful language of its own.
Ativan
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930310

Quote from: Kaelin on February 07, 2014, 09:32:42 AM
I haven't looked for ahead enough to confirm that we're covering Euler's formula (which makes the proof trivial), but in the Precalculus class I'm teaching this spring, we will at least get into De Moivre's formula.  But when the issue is brought up, it really makes me want to start with the generalized Euler's formula (not just saying e^ix, but to use e^z for z = a + bi because it's only one more step to cover any complex number).
It isn't that hard to switch between them either. You just go like this:
z=a+bi= r(cosv+i sinv)=re^iv=|z|e^iv=|z|(cosv+isinv)=|z|((a/|z|)+(bi/|z|))=a+bi=z
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cynthialee

Just thought of a new name for a band:

The Defecation Interruption
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Kaelin

So I was a bit of a slob and let my bathroom sink go a couple months go without cleaning it (yes, gross, I know, but stay with me a moment).  Rather than jump straight to the cleaner, I turned on the hot water and rubbed a couple spots to get some toothpaste splotches out.  However, I noticed that this was sufficient to remove almost everything else gunky in the sink without a terrible amount of elbow grease -- as much as a cleaner helps sometimes, hot water is a lot better for penetrating certain kinds of problems.  I got a good 95% of the mess out of there just by that alone (not as much in the surrounding area, but a satisfying observation nonetheless).
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Shantel

Quote from: Kaelin on February 10, 2014, 04:29:06 AM
So I was a bit of a slob and let my bathroom sink go a couple months go without cleaning it (yes, gross, I know, but stay with me a moment).  Rather than jump straight to the cleaner, I turned on the hot water and rubbed a couple spots to get some toothpaste splotches out.  However, I noticed that this was sufficient to remove almost everything else gunky in the sink without a terrible amount of elbow grease -- as much as a cleaner helps sometimes, hot water is a lot better for penetrating certain kinds of problems.  I got a good 95% of the mess out of there just by that alone (not as much in the surrounding area, but a satisfying observation nonetheless).

Hah oh Kaelin, what will we do with you girl? I'll bet that the sludge was thick enough to have developed a skin of it's own by the time you started working on it.  :D :laugh:
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Pica Pica

I left one measly cottonbud on my sink and was greeted with the following message.

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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930310

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 10, 2014, 12:06:21 PM
I left one measly cottonbud on my sink and was greeted with the following message.


Do the same in measly cottonbuds!
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Shantel

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 10, 2014, 12:06:21 PM
I left one measly cottonbud on my sink and was greeted with the following message.



:D ;D :laugh:  :eusa_clap:
Riotous!
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King Malachite

That sucky moment when....

your mother gets the mail which has your Gameinformer magazine in it.


It dulls the excitement of checking your mailbox and finding your subscription magazine sticking out of it.

What is worse is her flipping through it and criticizing a lot of it, though she did recognize Tomb Raider. 

Then she criticized the cover page, which has Solid Snake on it.  Seriously?  You must respect the Snake, whether he has a different voice or not.
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"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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Kim 526

...or I could watch an Ally McBeal rerun...or two!
"Peace came upon me and it leaves me weak,
So sleep, silent angel, go to sleep."
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King Malachite

PS3 Sports Champion time I suppose.  I need to get a bit active.
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"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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EzraNightshade

I feel like a Balinese Shadow puppet.

Meticulously crafted with detailed and intricate decorations, so carefully made.

And yet, all anybody ever wants to see is, the fuzzy shadow I cast on the screen of this world. A silhouette, so easy to interpret in comfortable and familiar ways.

Isn't there anyone who would like to be the puppet master?..The one who sees me for what I am?...who knows how carefully I was made ..how delicate and beautiful I can be? ... To be the one using me to put on the show, knowing my truth, showing me their truths, instead of just watching the shadows play across the screen filling in the details with their own thoughts..because it's easier..safer than really knowing anything about me at all..




yeah its mine...I also love haiku.
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King Malachite

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"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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EzraNightshade


WARNING extremely random post

I have been spending time reading posts.
every time I read one, I think "hhhm, I could have written that" or " I love you!" or " been there done that.." and my favorite "well...duh.. why didn't I think of that ?"

..it's a bit disconcerting to have some one else who you have never met before express your own private thoughts as their own.
I feel like crying, both in the good and the bad ways.

I felt so alone for soo long..
then I am angry.. why do you people have to live so far away from me!?!
to meet someone who understands me completely with out pity or condescension.. or obligation...
I am amazed and happy with  the distinct lack of "trolls" in the forest...not, that there might not be real trolls.. (you know what I mean and yes I am aware of the double negative)

I am going through a difficult time.. I am living in fear and loss and middle age.. I am waiting for the universe to show me what I should do.. OR  working on the willingness to do what I need to...depends on the hour and how honest I am being with my self.

favorite author - I still have to say John Varly but there are a lot of close seconds ( if you haven't read him, DO and start with Titan,then Wizard, then  Demon)
music...I am a bit of a new music junkie.. lately it's been Electric Wizard ( they out "Black Sabbath" Black Sabbath) and Grouper for my mellow moods
I'm a once and future Goth.. old school, flirting with steam punk ( old school as in, I was there when "Death Rock" raped "New Romantic" and she gave birth to Goth and now Goth had it owns little baby ( looks like immaculate conception to me ) EMO.. just try an deny it you ..you young whipper snapper!
I happen to love to play with labels...gives me a frame work to push against.

movie... Secretary ...it doesn't play with gender rolls...but it plays with everything else... and just about anything sci-fi...I enjoy the starwars universe but I don't live there.
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930310

Sochi makes me uncomfortable. On one hand I love sports and have also competed on national level myself. But on the other I hate Russia and their laws discriminating people who do not follow the national "norm".
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Kaelin

That's kinda why I'm only following hockey coverage and am only going to watch the hockey games that show up on broadcast (the only games will be the Women's and Men's finals, and I'll be working during the former, so I'll just be watching the Men's game).  I'm not particularly invested in the other broadcast events anyway (a lot of stuff like skiing, ice skating, recaps, and soft stories), so the human rights problems would overshadow them if I tried to watch.
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