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Started by kariann330, January 11, 2014, 12:46:23 AM

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Jess42

Let me just start by saying I am neither left or right, more libertarian I guess??? I lean right on the constitution, personal responsibilities physical responsibility and so on and lean left on social issues such as gay marriage, bathroom freedom according to presentation and so on. I believe in live and let live and take care of your own self and business and love who you want along with be who you want to be. I may even be Apolitical. ???

I love firearms, target shooting, antique, modern and love black powder revolvers such as the Colts and Remingtons used during the Civil war. Not to mention that I don't have to wait 10-15 minutes for a cop to swoop in and save me from an intruder in my own home. As for hate speech though, freedom of being able to speak openly what's on your mind will offend. Other's have offended me and I'm sure I have offended other's. Also a crime is a crime and I have never understood the concept of a "hate" crime, all should be punishable without indiscretion.

But on the other hand.... The ex-police chief that killed the guy in front of his wife in the movie theatre, Just WOW. Wouldn't expect that one wouldja? Even the Mafia wouldn't kill someone in front of their family. I am a firm believer in Conceal and carry but in the same token when taking the courses, psyche evaluations would be a good idea. What made the ex cop, someone that carried a weapon openly for so many years and fully knows the consequences of using one snap over someone texting during a movie? Drugs? probably not. Dementia? Since he was an elderly gentleman very possible. Maybe when we reach a certain age we need to take hands on tests and psyche evals yearly bi yearly or quarterly to renew a conceal and carry license. I also advocate for doing the same after a certain age with driver's licenses. No offense to the elderly but with all the miles under my butt I have seen some pretty horrendous accidents caused by elderly folks that refuse to give up driving. Me, the minute that I can't keep speed, or plan my maneuvers far enough in advance I don't want to drive anymore. Too many innocent people out there. Same with conceal and carry, the very minute that I want to pull a gun out of anger or just feel angry enough to use it, I don't want one anymore.

I can see the left's point but putting a band aid on a severed artery doesn't work. You can't take firearms from responsible people that just want to protect themselves. I would rather pack heat in my purse than a cellphone because if anything it will scare someone with mal intent away from doing something to me, trans or not. Besides I might not even be able to dial 911 before crap gets splattered. But with a toss of the coin I realize that I can't start mowing down people that may laugh at or call me names too. But there are people that have no business owning or carrying a firearm, like the ex-police chief in which a psyche evaluation with a yearly or bi yearly renewal might have caught.
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kariann330

Quote from: Androgynous_Machine on February 11, 2014, 06:50:01 AM
The rate transwomen are raped, sexually assaulted, beaten, and murdered I'm a firm believer that a 9mm Glock or Beretta should be prescribed alongside HRT.  What's real fun? On of the largest groups of perpetrators of these crimes against transwomen are the police themselves.

Knowing that and some people think I should fork over my guns to make some dopey liberal happy.  No thanks.

-AM

Personally i say forget the 9mm. While a Glock is nice nothing will scare someone more then being on the loud end of a Kimber 1911 in 45ACP. If someone isn't scared by that Cadillac sized bore....then they deserve the double tap.
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Androgynous_Machine

Quote from: kariann330 on February 11, 2014, 12:08:44 PM
Personally i say forget the 9mm. While a Glock is nice nothing will scare someone more then being on the loud end of a Kimber 1911 in 45ACP. If someone isn't scared by that Cadillac sized bore....then they deserve the double tap.

I personally like my Glock 22 .40 cal.  I must have put over a thousand rounds through it. 

I don't want to hurt anyone but it'll be a cold day in hell before I let someone hurt me.

-AM
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Jamie D

Jess wrote: Let me just start by saying I am neither left or right, more libertarian I guess??? I lean right on the constitution, personal responsibilities physical responsibility and so on and lean left on social issues such as gay marriage, bathroom freedom according to presentation and so on. I believe in live and let live and take care of your own self and business and love who you want along with be who you want to be. I may even be Apolitical.

Same sex marriage, bathroom issues, etc, are not "left" issues.  They are about civil liberties and natural rights.  I identify politically as a "Republitarian" (to use a Larry Elder term).

I am comfortable with my views and personal philosophies regarding natural and human rights.  I think they transcend the left-center-right classification.
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dalebert

I also thoroughly reject the left/right false dichotomy. I think it's as ridiculous as the false gender dichotomy. There are people who have plenty to gain by getting us to pick sides and fight each other.

Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: dalebert on February 11, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
There are people who have plenty to gain by getting us to pick sides and fight each other.

Indeed. It's a shame that humanity will never get its collective crap together and figure this out. Too many of them are easily manipulated on so many levels.
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amZo

QuoteI believe in live and let live and take care of your own self and business and love who you want along with be who you want to be. I may even be Apolitical.

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I am comfortable with my views and personal philosophies regarding natural and human rights.  I think they transcend the left-center-right classification.

I relate well with each of these.

Our country is divided and at everyone's throat because some sides are trying to force unwanted things on other sides. Just stop already. I sometimes wish I could just find an island somewhere and just be free of it. A good supply of coconuts would be good though and a big stash of fine wine, otherwise I'm good.
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Shantel

Quote from: kariann330 on February 10, 2014, 01:03:33 AM
If i may suggest a thought, a person once said that "the second amendment does not apply to citizens, only those in a state malitia so you should not be able to own any guns....period". Well my question is what is there to say that a person isn't part of a state malitia? Look at Ohio laws for example, "Any able bodied resident of the state of Ohio is considered part of the states malitia". Im able bodied, of sound mind (legally speaking), and a resident of the state. Should i still be covered by the Second Amendment?

Also just for fun......"Preacher lady is all no alcohol, Obama is all no guns, while im over here drunk as hell shootin sh*t" Earl Dibbles JR.

During the Revolutionary War there was the Loyalist Militia which was sponsored by the British Crown and in opposition, the Patriot Militia which was made up of able bodied men and boys armed with their own weapons.

"The tide began to turn for the Americans in the fall of 1780, when in October a Patriot militia defeated a Loyalist militia at the Battle of Kings Mountain, near present-day Blacksburg, South Carolina."

The following is the simplest explanation of the thinking behind the 2nd Amendment and as even recent world history indicates, it is most timely!

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/02/114396-126-minute-explanation-second-amendment-concise-effective-gets/
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Jess42

Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on February 11, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
Jess wrote: Let me just start by saying I am neither left or right, more libertarian I guess??? I lean right on the constitution, personal responsibilities physical responsibility and so on and lean left on social issues such as gay marriage, bathroom freedom according to presentation and so on. I believe in live and let live and take care of your own self and business and love who you want along with be who you want to be. I may even be Apolitical.

Same sex marriage, bathroom issues, etc, are not "left" issues.  They are about civil liberties and natural rights.  I identify politically as a "Republitarian" (to use a Larry Elder term).

I am comfortable with my views and personal philosophies regarding natural and human rights.  I think they transcend the left-center-right classification.

You're quite right Jamie. I agree 100% about human rights and civil liberties but unfortunately our "powers that be" have swooped in to claim these particular arguments and more or less try and force us to choose sides. Personally in hopes of not starting a bad argument I see really no difference between the two parties except their rallying points and what groups they try to appease by making promises they don't keep until they are in fear of losing votes and thus their power.
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brianna1016

Quote from: Jess42 on February 12, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
You're quite right Jamie. I agree 100% about human rights and civil liberties but unfortunately our "powers that be" have swooped in to claim these particular arguments and more or less try and force us to choose sides.
Hehe.. exactly.  :P

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amZo

Great video Shantel. I've always read it this way and have always felt those saying only militia's can have weapons was idiotic.

Some minor trivia, Teller had a cameo appearance in Atlas Shrugged Part II and he spoke.  ;)
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TerriT

Quote from: kariann330 on February 11, 2014, 12:08:44 PM
Personally i say forget the 9mm. While a Glock is nice nothing will scare someone more then being on the loud end of a Kimber 1911 in 45ACP. If someone isn't scared by that Cadillac sized bore....then they deserve the double tap.

Really? My Kimber is a total safe queen. My USP 9 compact is my preferred option and what I practice with. I have a 229 on hold though so we'll see what happens when that gets into the rotation. My baby is my m9 which is hands down my fave to shoot. I just learned about the compact version which is must own if it makes it into Cali.
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HenryHall

Quote from: kariann330 on February 10, 2014, 01:03:33 AM
If i may suggest a thought, a person once said that "the second amendment does not apply to citizens, only those in a state malitia so you should not be able to own any guns....period". Well my question is what is there to say that a person isn't part of a state malitia? Look at Ohio laws for example, "Any able bodied resident of the state of Ohio is considered part of the states malitia". Im able bodied, of sound mind (legally speaking), and a resident of the state. Should i still be covered by the Second Amendment?
That is the State Militia. Second amendment is Federal law. The militia of the United States (i.e. Federal Law) is defined in 10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
Quote(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

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amZo

Every time I see a debate regarding the meaning of the constitution I suspect one side is trying to give up their rights. Doesn't make it so I know, but it is usually my experience regarding these debates.

Ayn Rand said if there were degrees of evil that it was hard to say who were the most contemptible... the brutes who assume the right to force the mind of others, or the moral degenerate who grants them the right to force their mind.

Personally, I say the latter.

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Shantel

Here's an interesting tutorial about the importance of and reason for the 3rd Amendment entitled "Gun Control For Dummies."

http://www.youtube.com/embed/F584p5kJL-U?rel=0
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Calder Smith

I'm liberal and I don't mind firearms but I do think there needs to be restrictions.
Manchester United diehard fan.
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Shantel

Quote from: Mr Hockey on February 21, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
I'm liberal and I don't mind firearms but I do think there needs to be restrictions.

In a free society restrictions if any have to be self imposed otherwise a governing body will invariably overreach and extend restrictions to everything, eventually restricting Mr. Hockey and Shantel from becoming who they prefer to be, suppressing their freedom and keep them remaining birth issue, as-is models of humanity.
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MadeleineG

Quote from: Shantel on February 21, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
In a free society restrictions if any have to be self imposed otherwise a governing body will invariably overreach and extend restrictions to everything, eventually restricting Mr. Hockey and Shantel from becoming who they prefer to be, suppressing their freedom and keep them remaining birth issue, as-is models of humanity.

Shan, that strikes me as a slippery slope argument.  :-\
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Shantel

Quote from: G:W:Y:N:N:E on February 21, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
Shan, that strikes me as a slippery slope argument.  :-\

In any event I don't intend to engage in dialog about it with anyone here as there's no point in creating any drama with liberals and progressives as my thoughts, beliefs, heart and soul is in diametric opposition to that mindset and I'll not waste my life's energy on it.
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michelle

I feel that the lack of issuing a licence for people to own a gun, like a driver's licence and gun registration only protects criminals.    The government is not our enemy,  the lawless and the criminals in our society provide the threat.    When the police find unregistered guns in the hands of an unlicensed gun owner then the authorities could take the guns away.    If a person commits a crime with a weapon licenced to them then they could readily be apprehended.    There is not any sized block of any group in the United States which would allow the government to take registered guns away from any licenced individual.   You could not get the police,  the National Guard, the Military, the FBI,  the Federal Bureau of Tobacco and Fire Arms, that would be willing to take licenced guns from individuals licenced to carry fire arms.   Licencing could be free and so could registration.    The right of gun ownership is not any more important than any other civil right of residents and citizens of the United States.   Not every civil right that citizens have was recorded in the US Constitution and its Amendments.   Many of the writers of the Constitution did not include a Bill of Rights because they feared that the rights not protected specifically in the Constitution would be endangered.   The Bill of Rights was only added to the Constitution because some of the original states stated that they would not vote for the Constitution unless they were added.

Thus the National Rife Association is really only protecting criminals and the gun lobby in their resistance to have any laws passed that would protect the residence and citizens of the United States from the misuse of fire arms.   

Everyone knows that every citizen in the United States who does not have a criminal record and is of sound mind and body has the right to own guns.   Registration of gun owners and of guns would not result in any citizen who has the right to own a gun from owning one.     But with the right to own a gun comes the responsibility to see that that weapon is never used in a crime or is sold to an individual who does not have the right to own one.   Any elected, hired, or appointed governmental official would loose their jobs if they ever attempted to take guns away from law abiding and mentally sound individuals.

The right of every individual in the United States not to be a victim of gun violence is just as important as the right to own a gun.   If you have to have official identification to vote than you can also be required to have to have a licence to carry a fire arm.   You have to have a registered title to own real estate and vehicles, than your guns should also be registered in the same way your car and house is.    After all you have the right to own real estate and vehicles and businesses.    Guns are no different.

This is just my opinion.   And yes, when I was 13 in the scouts I was trained to use a 22 rife by an NRA approved individuals,  one of which was second in command of our local National Guard Unit.    The others were at scout camps.   I even had a card issued by the NRA that I had received training.   This was in the 1960s.   I am not against guns,  I just never had any use for one,  especially since I moved from rural Americas to the urban populated area.  I never felt that owning a gun would make me safer.   Until I moved to New Mexico and saw the bars on the windows of my neighbors the doors of my home were never locked any where I lived.     Ammunition was always too expensive for me and I never had a good place to practice shooting a gun.   I never took any pleasure from hunting.

This is just my point of view and I bare no ill will against others who think differently.   Also, very rarely have I lived in  places that the majority of people would consider safe.    The ability to take another's life does not make me feel safe,  nor does the thought that a gun that I owned could be used to take mine.

Think about it registering the title of your house, real estate, motor vehicles, business licences with county and state governments protects your legal right to this property in a court of law.    If you depend upon the government to protect your rights to your property, patients, copy rights, etc., why can't you depend upon the government to protect your right to own fire arms.   
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