Quote from: Arwena on August 10, 2007, 10:44:18 PM
Hmmm... I have also heard that alcohol "flushes out" estrogen... what about it, is it true?
I have never heard this, I am a recovering alcoholic so I have a different perspective. Despite the claims that alcohol in moderation is beneficial, the best course is to just leave it alone and/or limit it to social occasions.
Posted on: August 11, 2007, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Keira on August 11, 2007, 10:29:21 AM
Yeah Tink, but that's woman who have had a lifetime of estrogen at our level (level that varies every month, which is even worse) and then at menopause take HRT.
If estrogen in general was incompatible with alcohol, women could never drink alcohol even prior to menopause because of the boosted cancer risk too much. Younger women (Under 30), even heavy drinkers, rarely have breast cancer.
Alcohol and testosterone don't mix.
Really though, I don't think how alcohol affects GGS is all that relative to someone taking large doses of synthetic estrogen AND anti-androgens.
Posted on: August 11, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
HRT for menopausal womenCertain factors increase estrogen in the body & were not accounted for in the study in question. With obesity there is increased production of estrogen by fatty tissue. Alcohol consumption increases estrogen levels & studies have shown moderate alcohol consumption increases the risk of breast cancer.
Evidence is steadily accumulating that it is not the estrogen, but how estrogen is metabolized in the liver that determines whether or not it creates a cancer risk. There are 3 major breakdown products of estrogen metabolism: 2-hydroxyestrone (2-OH) which is a "good" estrogen with low cancer risk; 16-alpha-hydroxyestrone (16-alpha-OH), & 4-hydroxyestrone (4-OH) which are "bad" with persistent estrogenic activity which promotes tissue proliferation & cancer. There is some belief the good 2-OH may even inhibit cell proliferation & help prevent cancer. [/quote]
There aren't any studies that I could find relating to HRT (estrogen and anti-androgens) and alcohol as it relates to TSs. The wise thing to do is limit or eliminate alcohol intake.
Posted on: August 11, 2007, 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: Keira on August 11, 2007, 10:29:21 AM
If estrogen in general was incompatible with alcohol, women could never drink alcohol even prior to menopause because of the boosted cancer risk too much. Younger women (Under 30), even heavy drinkers, rarely have breast cancer.
What is the incidence of lung cancer in women under 30 who began smoking in their teens?
Posted on: August 11, 2007, 11:01:26 AM
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Alcohol and breast cancerQuoteThe Scientific Explanation
Alcohol May Boost Hormones Linked to Breast Cancer
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It is not known exactly why alcohol increases the risk of breast cancer. Two current theories focus on hormonal effects and vitamins, namely folate.
Careful studies have found that regular, moderate use of alcohol affects the levels of important female hormones, especially for postmenopausal women whose bodies make much less estrogen and progesterone than before they entered menopause.
One study carefully monitored the food and alcohol consumed by a group of postmenopausal women. A form of estrogen in the blood increased in the women who drank alcohol compared to the women who did not receive alcohol as part of their diet. Taking the equivalent of one drink a day increased the hormone levels; taking the equivalent of two drinks a day increased the levels even more.
That means that the breast cells were exposed to higher levels of estrogen if the women consumed alcohol. This may in turn trigger the cells, which are estrogen sensitive in these women, to become cancerous.
Other studies have examined the role of the vitamin folate in either decreasing or preventing breast cancer in women who drink alcoholic beverages.
There have been reports that folate may counteract the effect of alcohol on increased breast cancer risk.
Research performed in China, where women get folate almost exclusively from their diet and not from vitamin pills, showed that increased amounts of folate in the diet decreased the risk of breast cancer. But, Chinese women don't usually drink much alcohol, so whether having more folate in the diet would decrease the risk of breast cancer in United States women who drink alcohol remains unknown.
Another study found that women who had more than one alcoholic drink daily and who took less than the recommended daily amount of folate had much a much higher risk of breast cancer than women with the same alcohol intake, but who had adequate folate in their diet.
So very little is known about how alcohol increases the risk of breast cancer. OTOH the devastating and profound effects of alcohol abuse are well documented.
