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What if you could legally be considered transgender?

Started by ktmoore89, August 11, 2007, 12:51:41 PM

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ktmoore89

I was thinking about this for awhile now and am really curious what others think about it. What if you legally be considered transgender? Like instead of an M or an F on your records it said T. Then regardless how you felt about your identity you still be able to be yourself without any kind of problems. Your name then would be used to determine whether it's a Ms or Mr. I know something like this would never happen in my lifetime but still is it not something to thing about? We all share that common identity don't we?

-Kati
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katia

Quote from: Kati on August 11, 2007, 12:51:41 PM
I was thinking about this for awhile now and am really curious what others think about it. What if you legally be considered transgender? Like instead of an M or an F on your records it said T. Then regardless how you felt about your identity you still be able to be yourself without any kind of problems. Your name then would be used to determine whether it's a Ms or Mr. I know something like this would never happen in my lifetime but still is it not something to thing about? We all share that common identity don't we?

-Kati

it may work for some, not for me. 

QuoteWe all share that common identity don't we?

per your post, i assume we don't?.  i'm female & want to be seen and accepted as female.
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ktmoore89

Quote from: Katia on August 11, 2007, 12:58:55 PM
per your post, i assume we don't?.  i'm female & want to be seen and accepted as female.

Well one could always correct everything after the transition process but wouldn't it just make things easier during and what about the none transsexuals. I mean I myself would eventually want to be seen as female legally and accepted as that.

Edit: Specially if you could get the identity change to T without a court order, therapists, or doctors.
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RebeccaFog


Hi Kati,

   I've thought of that too.  I've been writing letters to places that only offer M or F for choices on web sites and stuff.  I crossed out the M on my town census and wrote in a T and added a brief explanation.
   I am never going to be a man or a woman, so for me, it'd be for life.

   I also hate having to choose mr miss mrs on forms and try to not choose anything.  Today, I've been thinking of forcing people to call me Mystery Rebis.  Myst for short. Heh.

   I think it is a good idea for people who are in the process who desire to identify as a person who is making a life change and for people like myself who will never join the ranks of Ms and Fs.

   Please get on it.  I'm giving you a week to get it done.  :D  (kidding)
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Dennis

If it were possible, I suspect they'd force those of us who just want M or F to have T instead. I wouldn't like that at all.

Dennis
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RebeccaFog


I think the scenario that Kati created is that it is purely voluntary.

It would lose it's meaning if it were forced upon you. In my opinion.
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ktmoore89

Quote from: Dennis on August 11, 2007, 06:06:15 PM
If it were possible, I suspect they'd force those of us who just want M or F to have T instead. I wouldn't like that at all.

Ack.. that wouldn't be good at all.. I need my F.   :-\
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Tay

There are some of us who are T but not M or F.

If this was PURELY, 100% voluntary?

I'd be 100% for it.  But the laws regarding it would have to be dead strict on allowing the freedom to choose either a binary marker or a T marker.  THAT should be a choice of the person, no ifs, ands or buts.  The choice of any of them, M or F or T, should be based on identity and presentation, and the person, not on what a government wants of a person.
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Caroline

I wouldn't choose the 'T' option for myself, I don't like defining myself by a medical condition.  I identify primarily by what I am inside, the fact that I need to alter my body and presentation to match to be happy is very much secondary.  So I'd much rather have an 'I' option for intergender (would also work for androgynes and intersex people).
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Tay

I don't really consider myself intergender, though... I consider myself non-gendered.

A T or an A or an N would be better...  Perhaps an N for "non-specified?"
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Caroline

Quote from: Tay on August 11, 2007, 06:45:25 PM
I don't really consider myself intergender, though... I consider myself non-gendered.

A T or an A or an N would be better...  Perhaps an N for "non-specified?"

I think anything other than 'O' for other might just LEAD TO WAR!  :)
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Tay

Quote from: Andra on August 11, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: Tay on August 11, 2007, 06:45:25 PM
I don't really consider myself intergender, though... I consider myself non-gendered.

A T or an A or an N would be better...  Perhaps an N for "non-specified?"

I think anything other than 'O' for other might just LEAD TO WAR!  :)
O?
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Shana A

I often cross off M and F or make an alternate check box for other and check that. I really hate filling out electronic forms that require Mr or Mrs to work.... you can't just leave them blank, they don't allow you to send the letter to your senator, or whatever. There's really no need for government forms, driver's licenses, etc to require or know ones' gender. Grrrrr. I would like to be legally considered other gender than m or f.

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Elizabeth

I see being transsexual the same way I see being a teenager. It's a transitional phase, not what we are. And just as a teenager can not remain a person who looks like an adult but acts more like a kid, we can not remain a person who looks like our target gender but is still our birth gender. I haven't spent my life dreaming about being transsexual, I have spent my life dreaming about being a woman. I mean, do you know any adults that want to be called a teenager? No, that's an insult. It implies we are less than we should be, just as being called transsexual or transgender implies we are less than we should be.

Like teenagers, we have a label that tells people we are in a transitional phase in our life, but it is not what we are destined to be. And just as teenagers learn and grow into adulthood, the transsexual grows into their new role as their target gender leaving behind the angst and troubles that transition brings, to blossom into what they were intended to be all along. Just as the teenager becomes an adult, one can not stay in a state of transition their entire life. The transsexual becomes a woman or man just as the teenager becomes an adult.

In this regard, having a permanent label of T would be meaningless.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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no_id

Quote from: Tay on August 11, 2007, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Andra on August 11, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: Tay on August 11, 2007, 06:45:25 PM
I don't really consider myself intergender, though... I consider myself non-gendered.

A T or an A or an N would be better...  Perhaps an N for "non-specified?"

I think anything other than 'O' for other might just LEAD TO WAR!  :)
O?

As in:
Female [ ] Male [ ] Other [ ]

As an ungender, pregender, n0ll-gender, agender -- inside/outside -- I'd enjoy that option.
Personally, I've deleted gender from my Curriculum Vitae, and have had no comment on that so far.
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Suzie

#15
For the ones that don't want to be considered "T", it would be a further stigmatization and oppression.

And once you open up the door for "T" status, then you could easily make an argument for intersex classification, even moreso than T.  And that might lead to some further stigmatization on their part as well.  And given society's current view of trans, I envision ridicule rather than liberation for the people that want to be classified as T or I.

Its an interesting idea, but my opinion is to either get rid of the classification altogether, or to have it remain the same.

Maybe we could change it to:  Have penis?  Y/N  :D

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RebeccaFog

    some of us are truly neither gender.  It hurts to be stuck into the current 2 options.  I don't understand why some of you can not accept the way we feel.
    This thread is just a "what if" scenario.  If you don't want to be known as a T or an O or anything else, then that's fine.  Some of us really do want the option.

    If given the opportunity, I would take a T or an O.  In fact, any time I have an opportunity, I mention it to government officials in letters.

maybe I'm beginning to take this too seriously.

I go now  :-X
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Shana A

Quotemaybe I'm beginning to take this too seriously.

Rebis, I don't htink you're taking this too seriously. I think that in addition to a person having the right to change to M or F without surgery or HRT, they should be able to choose the option of neither. There is no real reason why our genders even need to be on most (if any) legal forms.

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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RebeccaFog

Quote from: y2gender on August 12, 2007, 09:42:20 PM
Quotemaybe I'm beginning to take this too seriously.

Rebis, I don't htink you're taking this too seriously. I think that in addition to a person having the right to change to M or F without surgery or HRT, they should be able to choose the option of neither. There is no real reason why our genders even need to be on most (if any) legal forms.

Zythyra

You're right.  I can't see why it's needed on most forms either.
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Shana A

QuoteYou're right.  I can't see why it's needed on most forms either.

Unfortunately, this topic doesn't seem to be on the radar of most trans advocacy organizations yet. If anyone has any ideas on how to proceed, I'm interested.

Zythyra 
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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