Hi, I found you guys via Wikipedia.

Anyway, I consider myself androgynous leaning toward masculine, and while everybody seemed ok with me being a little weird for a girl so long as I wasn't too overt about it, now that I've cut my hair (gasp!) and been more open about my feelings, it's been rather isolating. It's actually worse than when I came out as gay a few years ago. Most of my irl friends aren't queer, and my online buddies aren't either, so I came here looking for a bit of community.

Even the GBL groups I've been involved with have made me feel like an outsider. It's very frustrating. The only sense of belonging I've felt is with the trans and genderqueer groups I've been with.

I was relunctant to identify as trans because I don't feel like my parts are wrong, but I've always been masculine and other people have always picked up on it. Even then, I'm not a very macho person...I'm kind of a geek. I took a personality test recently, and it rated me average for masculinity, and low for femme. I don't tend to think of myself as either, but whenever I've had to choose, I'd rather go for a suit than a dress. It really seems to be pissing people off, as of late.

Hello Hyena and welcome to Susan's!

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tink

Hey ya Hyena, welcome to the Susan club. Have some icecream, sit back and relax. 

Quote from: Hyena on August 14, 2007, 02:49:42 AM
Anyway, I consider myself androgynous leaning toward masculine, and while everybody seemed ok with me being a little weird for a girl so long as I wasn't too overt about it, now that I've cut my hair (gasp!) and been more open about my feelings, it's been rather isolating. It's actually worse than when I came out as gay a few years ago.

What does it mean to be a girl and what does it mean it mean to be a boy though?
Nevertheless, Androgyny is hard to explain, and the more you come to understand your own feelings, the less you can relate to -- or that's how I've experienced it anyhow. 

Quote from: Hyena on August 14, 2007, 02:49:42 AM
I was relunctant to identify as trans because I don't feel like my parts are wrong, but I've always been masculine and other people have always picked up on it.

Well, I suppose that often anything that does not fit in the box of feminity is automatically thrown in the one named masculinty. In the end it all depends on how you feel about it; whether you want to throw it in the left box, the right, or maybe just somewhere in the middle.

Quote from: Hyena on August 14, 2007, 02:49:42 AM
...but whenever I've had to choose, I'd rather go for a suit than a dress.

I personally started my crusade against dresses at age four or so. Now suits just feel more comfortable (I have no clue what to do with dresses/skirts and they seem to come along with an etiquette! o.o!). Nevertheless, androgynous fashion has been quite a hot topic in the fashion industry over the last few years, and borders between masculine and feminine wear seem to disappear.

To keep this somewhat short I'll stop rambling and just throw you another welcome. Don't be afraid to ask any questions, and don't forget about the iceream; it's melting.

Hi Hyena,

   Welcome to Susan's.
   Please don't let people's attitude mess you up.  It'll even out.  It's better to be yourself than to be someone else (unless they are paying the bills). 
   Part of being one of us at this time is that we have to struggle a bit, but maybe future people will have it easier because of us.

    To be honest, I think my preferred method of dressing would be to wear those clothes like the Chinese communists.  But with some color.  I guess I want to be neutral in my dress.

Look around, and see what you like the best here.  There is enough variation that you should be busy for a while.


Rebis

Welcome to Susan's, Hyena. Don't worry about people's negativity towards you. Just be who you are. The people who really love will respect you for that.

Gennee 

Quote from: no_id on August 14, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
Hey ya Hyena, welcome to the Susan club. Have some icecream, sit back and relax. 

What does it mean to be a girl and what does it mean it mean to be a boy though?
Nevertheless, Androgyny is hard to explain, and the more you come to understand your own feelings, the less you can relate to -- or that's how I've experienced it anyhow. 

Hi, thanks for the welcome.

I don't really know what being a boy or a girl means, all I know is that I feel alienated by the traditionally feminine things I grew up surronded by. I also feel alienated by excessive machismo, but I didn't have it forced on me. I suspect I'd consider myself more effeminate if I were born male. I don't like either extreme.

Quote from: no_id on August 14, 2007, 08:50:58 AM

Well, I suppose that often anything that does not fit in the box of feminity is automatically thrown in the one named masculinty. In the end it all depends on how you feel about it; whether you want to throw it in the left box, the right, or maybe just somewhere in the middle.

That's very true, about everything not "femme" being considered masculine. I remember going into toy stores as a little kid and being repelled by the one or two pink aisles filled with Barbies and doll house accessories. Everything else...including my beloved Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Lego sets...were "boy" stuff.

Quote from: no_id on August 14, 2007, 08:50:58 AM

I personally started my crusade against dresses at age four or so. Now suits just feel more comfortable (I have no clue what to do with dresses/skirts and they seem to come along with an etiquette! o.o!). Nevertheless, androgynous fashion has been quite a hot topic in the fashion industry over the last few years, and borders between masculine and feminine wear seem to disappear.

Well, I was just using the dress thing as an example. However, I went to Catholic school for YEARS, and had to wear a skirt nearly every day. I hated it, especially since I had to shave my legs constantly, from a young age. I didn't mind having hair on my legs, and I didn't really have any interest in prettying myself up for potential dates until I was in high school, but my family were adamant that I would embarass myself if I didn't shave.

Quote from: no_id on August 14, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
To keep this somewhat short I'll stop rambling and just throw you another welcome. Don't be afraid to ask any questions, and don't forget about the iceream; it's melting.

I'll never forget about icecream!

Welcome, Hyena.

I don't think that name has been taken in Chat.  LOL.  See you there?

Robyn

Hello! Hahaha, you sound quite a bit like me.
And I'm sorry about that, people are bitches. *sigh*

Hi, and welcome. 

If there are people you don't like and your gender mixing pisses them off, the day wasn't a total loss was it!!

Sandra.