Sounds a lot like Bill Clinton or any one of the Kennedys.
Except neither of them were running on a morals platform.  FTR, I worked for Brown in Iowa in 90.  I hated Clinton then, and now.

So was bailing out Wall St.  When Obama did that I thought to myself uh oh.
That was not Obama, but a continuation of the bail-out that was started under BushII.  If you had been paying attention you should have been outraged when he put in Ben Bernanke,  Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, Gary Gensler and Mark Patterson who all had ties to exactly the people who screwed the pooch.

The most cogent attacks against Obama come from the left, not the right.

BTTT

So what were the 1,000 words?

I just saw a chart. (well, and a good amount of snark  )

For you viewing pleasure.  You really need a program to know who the players in the topic are, but I was struck by the familiar themes in this two-year old topic and the recently locked one.

 

Was this Necromancy necessary?

Quote from: Hikari on March 06, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
Was this Necromancy necessary?

Law of Conservation of Zombies. 

Quote from: Hikari on March 06, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
Was this Necromancy necessary?

Only if you have a strong quest for knowledge Grasshopper.

Otherwise... eh, not so much.

Quote from: Hikari on March 06, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
Was this Necromancy necessary?

This topic was first posted by a then-Global Moderator.  It is interesting to revisit one's views and see how they change, or remain the same, with time.

Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2012, 07:34:33 PM
That means they can still collect donations.

A).  They still have campaign debt to try to pay off

B).  Of course, [Michelle Bachman is] a Republithug, why stop taking money just because you're no longer going to do the job?  Yeesh, they are 'party of personal responsibility' and how could they be personally taken care of if they stop taking money?

Lovely.

Quote from: Julie Marie on January 06, 2012, 11:17:10 PM
When I spend more than I have I go into debt.  No one is there to donate to help me pay that off.  I say if you run for office and rack up a bunch of debt, it's your fault and you gotta get yourself out of it.  And if people are donating to help you out, you have to pay taxes on it.  But of course Bachmann will just get another grant from the government. 

Oh yeah, I forgot.  Personal responsibility only applies to certain people.

How much has the national debt risen in the past five years?

Quote from: tekla on January 09, 2012, 07:10:39 AM
(Snip)

PS.  I want god to strike dead the next one of these scumbags [Republicans] who says 'the government can't create jobs' as they try to get a government job.

Rage some?

Quote from: Jamie D on January 09, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
Mr. Obama's foreign policy began with the "bow, kowtow, and apology tour."  And it hasn't improved since.

He is inconsistent (i.e. Egypt ... Libya ... Syria??), has destabilized Iraq, emboldened Iran, punted in Afghanistan, and enabled Islamo-fascism around the world.  No one can argue the world is a safer place today than it was in 2008.

Any questions?  LOLZ   It is safer today than January 2012?

Quote from: Jamie D on January 11, 2012, 12:33:41 AM

Quote from: Vanora on January 10, 2012, 02:47:49 PM

Quote from: Julie Marie on January 10, 2012, 11:00:05 AM
(Snip)

But regardless of who you like, if your trans, LGB, or just an advocate, supporting (most) Republicans is like a Jew in Nazi Germany supporting the Third Reich.  By and large, the entire Republican party has stood steadfast in NOT supporting ENDA.  They see LGBT people as third class citizens and, if given the ability to do so, would probably lock us all up in reparative therapy camps and keep us there until we're "cured".  And I don't see even a glimmer of hope this attitude will change anytime in the near future.

I would say your analogy is a little off.  The Third Reich went about killing 6 million Jews and millions of other people. Only someone in the victim group who had complete self loathing for their own race would have supported the Nazis.

I understand and am sensitive to your experience with workplace discrimination, but to compare Republicans to mass murders is over the top, hyperbolic, and just plain wrong.

Need I remind you that, when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, in 2007-2008, and with a Democrat executive from 2009-2010, they failed to pass ENDA?  Why was that?

Republicans, largely, treasure individual liberties and rights.  I can not think of a single Republican in power who has advocated "camps" for gender variant people.

While I am opposed to discrimination and bigotry on all levels, there exist good reasons to oppose specific legislation.  In general, I oppose creating special "classes" or "groups" of persons to afford special rights.  You cannot create social harmony by dividing people into interest groups.  Discrimination will be ended through understanding and education.

And not all GLBT organizations or spokespersons have supported ENDA.  In 2009, for instance, Indiana Equality called ENDA a "new form of segregation."

Note the level of invective from the political left.

I'll add one last quote of mine:

Quote from: Jamie D on January 15, 2012, 03:20:49 AM
I admire you for the courage of your convictions.  What you experienced is unforgivable and is every transperson's worst nightmare - me included.

But, as I recall, you live in a State that has ENDA-type legislation, passed by and regulated by the Democrats, and it didn't work for you. The State agency that was supposed to protect your rights, managed by a gay man who should have been supportive of you, failed to do its duty.

Why do you think federal legislation would work any better?

As I said to Terkla in the post, above, the path to real, lasting change, is to build consensus.  That means reaching out to those you have been, heretofore, vilifying.  I believe in bridges, not fences.

My personal philosophy remains unchanged.

It seems that this community, which strives for acceptance and equality in the cis-world, is not particularly tolerant of minority views.

The Pope is for gay marriage,

Weed legal over all states,

Marriage for all gays in all states,

We are out of Afghanistan and Iraq,

No war in Crimea or Nigeria,

Peace between Palestinians and Jews,


and the icing to the cake... Hillary first female President of the USA

the GOP is dead... they are going the way of the dodo bird.. LOL

The Left has done a real number on this nation... pity.

Quote from: Jamie D on March 06, 2014, 03:40:44 PM
I would say your analogy is a little off.  The Third Reich went about killing 6 million Jews and millions of other people. Only someone in the victim group who had complete self loathing for their own race would have supported the Nazis.

I understand and am sensitive to your experience with workplace discrimination, but to compare Republicans to mass murders is over the top, hyperbolic, and just plain wrong.

Kinda like how conservatives compare Obama to Hitler, or call him a tyrant or dictator.  While what she said was hyperbolic, it still has some merit.  Voting Republican as someone who is LGBT is pretty self-detrimental on many levels.

QuoteNeed I remind you that, when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, in 2007-2008, and with a Democrat executive from 2009-2010, they failed to pass ENDA?  Why was that?

Republican filibuster.  It's been the republican rulebook since Obama stepped into office to sabotage his presidency. 



In 2010, Mitch McConnell reaffirms this. 

Record numbers of filibusters are happening during Obama's presidency.

QuoteRepublicans, largely, treasure individual liberties and rights.  I can not think of a single Republican in power who has advocated "camps" for gender variant people.

Like the right to discriminate against people who are different than you.  Can we please leave this in the 20th century?

QuoteWhile I am opposed to discrimination and bigotry on all levels, there exist good reasons to oppose specific legislation.  In general, I oppose creating special "classes" or "groups" of persons to afford special rights.  You cannot create social harmony by dividing people into interest groups.

You are opposed to discrimination and bigotry, yet support a party of discriminating bigots with no plans on changing that position, and support their right to discriminate.

QuoteDiscrimination will be ended through understanding and education.

Republicans cut education, and being socially conservative is the antithesis of understanding.

QuoteNote the level of invective from the political left.

Note the level of self-hatred from the LGBT political right.

Quote from: Nikko on March 06, 2014, 05:33:57 PM
The Left has done a real number on this nation... pity.

QuoteRepublicans cut education, and being socially conservative is the antithesis of understanding.

Not only should we cut education spending because it's full of waste and fraud, we should just downsize virtually every government agency due to waste and fraud, some need to be closed all together.

Liberalism is antithetical to learning. NY mayor de blasio is shutting down three charter schools which are far out performing the public schools. Democrats are against school choice which is proven to drastically improve learning in math, language, and science. Perhaps not so much in the realm of liberal indoctrination. I can't imagine keeping children ignorant and destroying their futures to further my political desires, but this is exactly what democrats do every day and you are too by voting for them.



BTW, I never hear republicans compare Obama to hitler, I've really only heard democrats call Bush and other republicans that. I do hear it said he's behaving as a dictator and I whole heartedly agree, because he is. Just recently, the 31st delay in obamacare was made by this president. He did so even as constitutional scholars testify before congress that this is unconstitutional and dangerous, this is the job of congress.

I don't see how supporting actions like these are helpful to any group, even the LGBT community.

I usually argue against ideas, rather than going after democrats or liberals specifically. But since you're saying my being a conservative (actually more libertarian, but I'm not ashamed of the conservative label) is wrong and bad for you and others, I'll make an exception in this case.

Quote from: Nikko on March 07, 2014, 09:13:11 AM
Not only should we cut education spending because it's full of waste and fraud, we should just downsize virtually every government agency due to waste and fraud, some need to be closed all together.

So you take the Ron Paul 'nuke everything that has to do with the federal government' approach?  You mentioned that you're a libertarian, which is why I ask that.  I don't want to digress too much on the subject of libertarianism, but it is one of the most self-serving, near-sighted, childish political ideologies that one can hold. 

NSFW language in the video below:

QuoteDemocrats are against school choice which is proven to drastically improve learning in math, language, and science. Perhaps not so much in the realm of liberal indoctrination. I can't imagine keeping children ignorant and destroying their futures to further my political desires, but this is exactly what democrats do every day and you are too by voting for them.

Not gonna comment on this paragraph oozing with projection

Quote

That woman at 0:35 is a moron.  Gods forbid the mayor equalize the schools.  Charter schools are publicly funded, but don't follow the same rules as public schools.  They can sign contracts with corporations, and businesses make bank off of charter schools.  Where's your concern about waste and spending when it comes to that?

QuoteBTW, I never hear republicans compare Obama to hitler, I've really only heard democrats call Bush and other republicans that. I do hear it said he's behaving as a dictator and I whole heartedly agree, because he is. Just recently, the 31st delay in obamacare was made by this president. He did so even as constitutional scholars testify before congress that this is unconstitutional and dangerous, this is the job of congress.

I don't see how supporting actions like these are helpful to any group, even the LGBT community.

Never hear republicans calling Obama Hitler?  Are you joking me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Fwy5FeG9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIptSmuXPA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWEyVFfBN8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8w-Ll0JXSU

just a handful of the mountain of examples of republicans calling Obama Hitler.

As far as dictatorship goes... why not go to North Korea for a few years and come back and tell me what a real dictatorship the US is.

31st delay?  Try republicans in Congress trying for the 50th time to defund it.

Hideyoshi, you continue to display all too common tactics of the far left... mischaracterization, distortion, lies, deception, strawmen, etc., etc., not interested...

Here's some real intelligence regarding Libertarianism...

Hideyoshi, I respectfully suggest your argument is pointless. Just like in previous threads Nikko will say something controversial and provably false be it Rush Limbaugh having no views outside the mainstream, or Republicans have never compared Obama to Hitler; and then when you say something to rebuff this, she will make a broad attack on the left, dismiss what you say and continue more rhetoric. If you look at the previous threads you will see this is a pattern that repeats quite a few times. It isn't like someone with such strong and extreme positions is going to be swayed by anything anyway, so what is the purpose?

I will say Jamie D did, however make a point, one I vehemently disagree with and feel has little merit. That being said, it was a well articulated and reasonable point (no matter how much I disagree) and looked almost like an open invitation to have a meaningful debate. Perhaps it is a bit naive to think that a political debate on the internet, especially in a community that the vast majority of which supports ENDA, could have any meaningful outcome, but I have to give kudos to Jamie D for attempting to do this in good faith, and actually address the argument rather than just resorting to name calling as so many on both sides invariably do.

Quote from: Nikko on March 07, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
mischaracterization, distortion, lies, deception, strawmen, etc., etc., not interested...

More projection. I love it.

Quote from: Hikari on March 07, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
Hideyoshi, I respectfully suggest your argument is pointless. Just like in previous threads Nikko will say something controversial and provably false be it Rush Limbaugh having no views outside the mainstream, or Republicans have never compared Obama to Hitler; and then when you say something to rebuff this, she will make a broad attack on the left, dismiss what you say and continue more rhetoric. If you look at the previous threads you will see this is a pattern that repeats quite a few times. It isn't like someone with such strong and extreme positions is going to be swayed by anything anyway, so what is the purpose?

It's like debating a young earth creationist (which are nearly all conservative... funny how the mentality is the same).  I somehow hold out a sliver a hope that I will put chinks in their armor and they might see the folly of their ways.

This thread reminds me of the hydra: cut off a head and another one promptly regrows in its place. No sooner is the "Left Wing" thread finally put out of its misery and the antagonism and vitriol emerge over here.

It's a caucus race. Nobody will win. 

Quote from: Hideyoshi on March 07, 2014, 07:02:22 AM
Kinda like how conservatives compare Obama to Hitler, or call him a tyrant or dictator.  While what she said was hyperbolic, it still has some merit.  Voting Republican as someone who is LGBT is pretty self-detrimental on many levels.

Republican filibuster.  It's been the republican rulebook since Obama stepped into office to sabotage his presidency. 

In 2010, Mitch McConnell reaffirms this. 

Record numbers of filibusters are happening during Obama's presidency.

Like the right to discriminate against people who are different than you.  Can we please leave this in the 20th century?

You are opposed to discrimination and bigotry, yet support a party of discriminating bigots with no plans on changing that position, and support their right to discriminate.

Republicans cut education, and being socially conservative is the antithesis of understanding.

Note the level of self-hatred from the LGBT political right.

I have found ad hominem attacks don't accomplish much.  Tekla and Julie Marie were about as far left, politically, as any people on this board.  True believers.  They had a difficult time defending the 0bama legacy.

In fact, it was Julie Marie who first made the Nazi reference with regard to Republicans.  But, just for the record, let's define "dictator":

dictator (dɪkˈteɪtə) —n: 1. a. a ruler who is not effectively restricted by a constitution, laws, recognized opposition

Okay, how many times has Mr 0bama ignored the brightlight deadlines in his own signature legislation?  How many time has he declined to be bound by, for instance, existing immigration law?  Is it not a requirement of office, in the Constitution, that the President "take care the laws are followed"?

I tend to put my principles into action through my works.  I don't depend on the nanny state.  By way of example, for the fourth year I will be participating in "Take Steps, Be Heard" - the fundraiser for the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation, to help find effective treatments and cures for this group of conditions.  I hope to go over $10,000 this year. 

Crazy, self-hating, discriminating, bigoted, conservative huh?  Maybe I should leave compassion in the 20th century too?