Quote from: lxndr on March 07, 2014, 05:12:52 PM
Maybe I didn't say it very well, but I say it to myself, not to others.  And sometimes it bothers when others say it to me, it all depends on what the sentiment is behind it and who it's coming from.

Well thats what I said earlier is it depends on why it is being said because its not always being said to put someone down it could bring someone up depending on the contex.

Quote from: Brandon on March 07, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
And the big thing I noticed was that the ones who don't like it don't fit the masculine role in some areas

Ummm yeah, that's the point.  Maybe you WANT to fit the masculine stereotypes.  But guess what?  The world doesn't (or shouldn't, I should say) revolve around you and other guys that do or want to fit the masculine stereotypes.

Quote from: Caysee Danielle on March 07, 2014, 05:38:22 PM
Ummm yeah, that's the point.  Maybe you WANT to fit the masculine stereotypes.  But guess what?  The world doesn't (or shouldn't, I should say) revolve around you and other guys that do or want to fit the masculine stereotypes.

I already fit them but its natural don't get upset with me, Your right the world doesn't revolve around or anyone elses or yours its a free country and a free will so don't get mad because I choose to use the words "man up" or "Grow some" quit taking everything to heart not everything is meant to be insulting.

Yes, boss.

Hi friends 

Let's not be pickin' fights here

Personally, I don't care for the term and find it and a few other terms and phrases to be disrespectful and demeaning 

I think I mostly use it as an ironic term, but I do try to not use it. I always found the term irritating when it was used in a serious context. It reminds me of my mother always telling me "be a lady!"

I don't think it has anything to do with how masculine the guy is either. My father, the ex Air Force military man, hates the phrase. I've never heard him use it toward any of my brothers despite how much of a jerk he can be. Like my old man, I usually just say "act like an adult" "be the bigger person"and the like depending on the situation and who I'm talking to.

Yes, if ever a phrase was loaded with gender preconceptions it's that one. I don't think it has ever been said to me (being over six foot tall generally means not being called names) but I think I was generally regarded as a "sissy"...for being sensitive, for actually being in touch with my emotions, for not being afraid to cry...

Quote from: ThePhoenix on March 07, 2014, 04:16:06 PM
There is a video about "man up" that I came across some time ago.  I found it very moving and extremely powerful.  It's one of those things that makes me think a lot about masculinity.

Love it, thank you!

It has a sexist implication that I don't care for.

I don't feel anything necessarily positive or negative about it, but it does give me a strong urge to break out into song.

Quote from: Brandon on March 07, 2014, 05:46:33 PM
I already fit them but its natural don't get upset with me, Your right the world doesn't revolve around or anyone elses or yours its a free country and a free will so don't get mad because I choose to use the words "man up" or "Grow some" quit taking everything to heart not everything is meant to be insulting.

Are you sure you fit masculine sterotypes, Brandon? Do you really know what they are? Do you see the way boys are expected to act, look, speak? Society constantly tells males that they need to be tall, muscular, and good with their hands. It's expected that a man knows how to change a tire, use a grill, hold a high paying job, never cry, and be strong both physically and emotionally.

I agree that a lot of people take words to heart far too often, especially in this day and age where tough skin is a rairty, but the phrase man up has been described as harmful by men who were born biologically male and have felt this statement hurt them throughout life.

Kia Ora,

"Man up" 



"Up man" seems more appropriate 

Metta Anatta

Quote from: Ayden on March 07, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
Like my old man, I usually just say "act like an adult"

This is usually what I think of when I think of the phrase "man up." Like, act like an adult male instead of a young boy, be mature, etc. But I like "act like an adult" because it's more gender neutral and has less negative connotations.

Quote from: timbuck2 on March 07, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
Do you really know what they are? Do you see the way boys are expected to act, look, speak? Society constantly tells males that they need to be tall, muscular, and good with their hands. It's expected that a man knows how to change a tire, use a grill, hold a high paying job, never cry, and be strong both physically and emotionally.

"Man up" is also so culturally relative. Being a man in different countries means different things. I never realized how different it was until I started teaching English to 20-40 year old men in Japan. It can and has in the past been a very hurtful comment that basically invalidates a lot of what makes a person who they are.

In a similar vein, can we never say "A real man is ___" or anything like that? Personally, I don't mind "man up," but it bugs me when people say a real man isn't a real man because he doesn't fit into what they want him to be. Same with "real women."

Quote from: timbuck2 on March 07, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
Are you sure you fit masculine sterotypes, Brandon? Do you really know what they are? Do you see the way boys are expected to act, look, speak? Society constantly tells males that they need to be tall, muscular, and good with their hands. It's expected that a man knows how to change a tire, use a grill, hold a high paying job, never cry, and be strong both physically and emotionally.

I agree that a lot of people take words to heart far too often, especially in this day and age where tough skin is a rairty, but the phrase man up has been described as harmful by men who were born biologically male and have felt this statement hurt them throughout life.

Yes because I've pretty much learned all that from my father, Yes I know how to change a tire, Yes I'm good with my hands, Yes I know how to use a grill,  Yes I can hold up a Job may not be that tall but I am muscular, And I can't even cry or else ill get called th B word or P word that's why I hold stuff in because men arent taught to cry and yes to the last part.

Quote from: timbuck2 on March 07, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
Are you sure you fit masculine sterotypes, Brandon? Do you really know what they are? Do you see the way boys are expected to act, look, speak? Society constantly tells males that they need to be tall, muscular, and good with their hands. It's expected that a man knows how to change a tire, use a grill, hold a high paying job, never cry, and be strong both physically and emotionally.

I agree that a lot of people take words to heart far too often, especially in this day and age where tough skin is a rairty, but the phrase man up has been described as harmful by men who were born biologically male and have felt this statement hurt them throughout life.

And I am a guy so why wouldn't I know the expectations of being a man thats stupid I'm treated the exact same way.

Not crying because people will call you names isn't emotionally strong. Not giving a crap if people call you names because your sense of self worth is not reliant on other people is emotionally strong.
But then, I've heard a lot of contradictory things about being the "man" stereotype. I mean, the stereotype is that men are strong right? But then that same stereotype also says we need to run from problems like cowards instead of facing them, dealing with them, and using them to grow stronger.

Quote from: Edge on March 08, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
Not crying because people will call you names isn't emotionally strong. Not giving a crap if people call you names because your sense of self worth is not reliant on other people is emotionally strong.
But then, I've heard a lot of contradictory things about being the "man" stereotype. I mean, the stereotype is that men are strong right? But then that same stereotype also says we need to run from problems like cowards instead of facing them, dealing with them, and using them to grow stronger.

Well Timbuck 2 said it not me I agree with you but that's how society is.

Society can "man up." (By which I mean get over itself.)

Quote from: Edge on March 08, 2014, 09:30:23 AM
Society can "man up." (By which I mean get over itself.)

That's what I mean when I say it.