Quote from: Suzie on August 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Maybe we could change it to:  Have penis?  Y/N 

Interesting idea heheh but really that's like the same thing isn't it?

Quote from: y2gender on August 12, 2007, 09:42:20 PM
Rebis, I don't htink you're taking this too seriously. I think that in addition to a person having the right to change to M or F without surgery or HRT, they should be able to choose the option of neither. There is no real reason why our genders even need to be on most (if any) legal forms.

Zythyra

Ohh now that would be perfect!

Quote from: y2gender on August 13, 2007, 10:09:56 AM

QuoteYou're right.  I can't see why it's needed on most forms either.

Unfortunately, this topic doesn't seem to be on the radar of most trans advocacy organizations yet. If anyone has any ideas on how to proceed, I'm interested.

Zythyra 

me too!

Quote from: Katia on August 11, 2007, 12:58:55 PM
it may work for some, not for me. 

QuoteWe all share that common identity don't we?

per your post, i assume we don't?.  i'm female & want to be seen and accepted as female.

I feel exactly the same way as Katia described. 

For the most part, I am seen as female everywhere.  I have an F on my driver's license.  I always put F on forms, etc.  However, I'm still pre-op.  If I needed to put T on my documents instead of F, that would not suffice as all.  M is at least better than T because that can be passed off as a data entry error.

Quote from: Tay on August 11, 2007, 06:21:50 PM
I'd be 100% for it.  But the laws regarding it would have to be dead strict on allowing the freedom to choose either a binary marker or a T marker.  THAT should be a choice of the person, no ifs, ands or buts.  The choice of any of them, M or F or T, should be based on identity and presentation, and the person, not on what a government wants of a person.

There is no purpose served by having Ms and Fs on picture IDs.  On non-picture IDs, they only serve the purpose of suggesting the appearance of someone who has a gender-ambiguous name.

Posted on: August 13, 2007, 06:54:20 PM

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Quote from: no_id on August 11, 2007, 07:11:49 PM
Female [ ] Male [ ] Other [ ]

How about:
Female [ ] Male [ ] Not applicable [ ]

Posted on: August 13, 2007, 06:59:14 PM

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Quote from: Suzie on August 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Maybe we could change it to:  Have penis?  Y/N 

That's still binary.  How about:
Length of clitoris/penis _____

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 13, 2007, 07:01:28 PM

Quote from: Suzie on August 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Maybe we could change it to:  Have penis?  Y/N 

That's still binary.  How about:
Length of clitoris/penis _____

And you thought people lied about their weight...  Can you imagine a 16-yr old male filling out that portion of the application?    Male competition at its finest.




Posted on: August 13, 2007, 08:01:34 PM

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Quote from: Kati on August 13, 2007, 05:47:41 PM

Quote from: Suzie on August 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Maybe we could change it to:  Have penis?  Y/N 

Interesting idea heheh but really that's like the same thing isn't it?

Hence the 

Why does your biological sex have to be checked when filling an application for employment?  It's a voluntary option here.  You're not required to check it with the exception of certain matters like getting a passport or birth certificate.

Quote from: Butterfly on August 13, 2007, 08:08:41 PM
Why does your biological sex have to be checked when filling an application for employment?  It's a voluntary option here.  You're not required to check it with the exception of certain matters like getting a passport or birth certificate.

   We live in a messed up culture.  It was probably done initially for the reason Lisbeth said - to determine more about people with gender ambiguous names.  Plus, it was probably yet another way for men to weed out the females looking for employment.  Or, even FtM's looking for employment back before anyone knew what an FtM was. Imagine a woman who passed as male in almost every way taking jobs perceived to be male only. The establishment is constantly seeking ways in which to denigrate people and to provide certain people with greater opportunities.  Woman couldn't even vote here until less than a hundred years ago.   It was probably also a way to keep them from voting.

   You CAN NOT allow a woman to speak her mind or to hold a MAN'S job.  <--- according to this guy, anyway.  So don't you even try to do such things.   

Sorry but that's a primitive and backwards philosophy.  Not something I'd have expected from the US of A.

Quote from: Butterfly on August 13, 2007, 08:28:02 PM
Sorry but that's a primitive and backwards philosophy.  Not something I'd have expected from the US of A.

     The America that is sold to the world is a dream America.  We keep struggling to keep up with you modern nations.
     I'm not kidding much either.

Female [ ] Male [ ] Other [ ]

The DC license has this precise form. 
DC allows anybody with a therapist letter to change the gender marker on the license. 

As with anything it would depend on how it was used.  I have this nagging feeling that if you put T on for instance a job application, you might not get offered the job.

What I would RATHER campaign for is the elimination of the M or F on drivers licenses.  I don't think just because I want to use a credit card to check into a hotel, the clerk has a right to peruse through my gender or sex status.  It's completely inconsequential.  I mean, really.  What is the reason for that letter on so many public ID cards?

there was an arguement about this on a site called facebook, they wanted M, F and T in gender boxes, so transexuals (self proclaimed) could label themselves correctly, i think somerts up there ><

Im a woman, i tick f and have no issue. M f and other maybe, but T just further steriotypes us as different, and more reason to be treated like second class citizens, its like having tick : white/black...

R

I didn't transition to have to put a "T" on any form.  I guess for someone who does not want to transition a "T" is fine.  And if we are going to add that, why not Androgynes also?


Sarah L.

cant we just have a 'give your gender' box, cos at this rate, its gonna be a bloody alphabet.

currently forms have male and female, because the law doesnt recognise T as a sex, it wants to know if your legally male or female, there is no legal middleground.

R

The T & A might get cause giggles.

I am all for a T, A, or O (ironically those 3 spell Tao). Would make getting pulled over by police and dressed up a little less embarassing, since the police would know that means gender ambigious, and it is included in such state recognition. Also if travelling or passport and such. Only a few applications included Other, that I have filled out. Website registration seldom has Other. Getting carded buying alcohol, pornography, or cigarettes would lessen the fear of discovery.

you BUY porn?
R

Me personally, yes. One of my favorite mags is adult. They have carded me before.

tut...

i hear theres some on the internet if you have a look around, quite hard to find i hear. never looked *whistle*

R

Would rather have the high quality glossy. Fits in my car just right for when I am on lunch break. Printers copies just arent my type of media.

i have no need for pr0n. i have my man!

R

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