work well together? heard that before
and you do need central govt services, FEMA, for example are VITAL in any national multi state incident, and the yellowstone sulper caldera for example, would effect a large swathe of the north american continent, whipeing out some states.
that is the event such directives and power systems are for.

R

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 02:12:18 PM
well, yes, because none of these situations have been as serious as what COULD potentially happen, trust me, the last 6 years has been nothing... yes, hes there to lead, so do. and its not to stay in power, these clauses often allow power for a period, and not entirely limitless, and are recalled after the requirement is passed. its not a nazi germany....

Do you think watching New Orleans get washed away is nothing?  The federal government did not even respond.  They came in 5 days after the hurricane while people suffered and even died from neglect.

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They are now talking of instituting a draft.  and, the Attorney General has been given the power to speed up executions!

The only reason for them to do that is so they can fast track the murder of political prisoners.  This is not supposed to be China.

neglect? that was your perfectly capable state govts fault
new orleans was nothing on a grand scheme, belive me.

New Orleans, perfect example of how not playing ball with FEMA prior to an emergency can come back and bite you on the butt (and kill people). I have lived in hurricane zones, the local govt always had the paperwork done and there were very few problems due to a lack or response or support. Civil liberties are a two edged sword, that is why so many are always willing to give them up.

And yes, in the grand scheme of things NO was a bit on the small scale. It could have been worse and a terrorist strike or even natural phenomenon could do far worse. That is why it is important to learn from past mistakes and try to save as many lives as we can.

Does this executive order do that?

Quote from: LostInTime on August 16, 2007, 03:55:34 PM
And yes, in the grand scheme of things NO was a bit on the small scale. It could have been worse and a terrorist strike or even natural phenomenon could do far worse. That is why it is important to learn from past mistakes and try to save as many lives as we can.

Does this executive order do that?

I don't know.  i just mindlessly hate the government.

actually, I've decided to agree with you and Rachael.  It is better to not think about anything.  It prevents me from creating my yucky art.

Quoteactually, I've decided to agree with you and Rachael.  It is better to not think about anything.  It prevents me from creating my yucky art.

OH NO Rebis! Come back...... please..... we need you!!!

on the other hand, I suppose I can understand the appeal of being blissfully ignorant of what our government is doing in our name >

Z

doing in your name...

i really would like to see what qualifications you folks have while makeing these demands of democracy and liberty for libertys sake.

I dont really like how democracy is lorded for simply being. especially he jeffersonian model of western democracy. its seen as flawless. and perfect. when infact, its horridly inefficient.

R

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 04:31:14 PM
doing in your name...

i really would like to see what qualifications you folks have while makeing these demands of democracy and liberty for libertys sake.

I dont really like how democracy is lorded for simply being. especially he jeffersonian model of western democracy. its seen as flawless. and perfect. when infact, its horridly inefficient.

R

Yup, it is inefficient.  It is designed to be so. We need to keep those guys from passing new laws!

what a sensible aproach 

R

Quote from: y2gender on August 16, 2007, 04:15:20 PM

Quoteactually, I've decided to agree with you and Rachael.  It is better to not think about anything.  It prevents me from creating my yucky art.

OH NO Rebis! Come back...... please..... we need you!!!

on the other hand, I suppose I can understand the appeal of being blissfully ignorant of what our government is doing in our name >

Z

Hi Z,

   I'll still send missives to my representatives when I know something's up, but I noticed that when this stuff is on my mind, I become someone I don't like.  I really need to clean my mind out right now.


P.S.

   Rachael, who said -

Quotei really would like to see what qualifications you folks have while making these demands of democracy and liberty for libertys sake.

Our qualification is our willingness to die for our inefficient democracy.

i dont really like the title of this thread, makes it sound like a coup

R

"They" have already been very public about making ours a "Christian" nation.  Yup, "they" want to rewrite the constitution.  It's not one of those conspiracies, it's in print from many of the top advisers and religious counselors. They just keep checking off those items on the "to do" list to get there.  It's really quite scary.

Cindi

i forgot that your not allowed to live in a nation of one religion if your another....
must make buffy leave the UAE then!

R

QuoteI'll still send missives to my representatives when I know something's up, but I noticed that when this stuff is on my mind, I become someone I don't like.  I really need to clean my mind out right now.

Great, we'll all keep sending those missives. I do understand though, I often feel the need to take breaks from politics and especially the media coverage.

Quotei really would like to see what qualifications you folks have while making these demands of democracy and liberty for libertys sake.

Rachael, last time I checked, the qualifications of a US citizen were to be involved in the democratic process. I have voted in every election, often write or call my representatives on issues that matter to me, and as a musician, have played occasional fundraiser for candidates I supported.

Quotei dont really like the title of this thread, makes it sound like a coup

As far as I'm concerned, it was a coup. The votes weren't counted accurately. In either 2000 or 2004

Zythyra

now that, is an entirely different kettle of fish to this topics discussion, its its regardless of who is president.
and no, being qualified to vote, doesnt qualify you to understand why sucha  meausre is in place. unless you are experienced at advanced command and control practice. you really cant say what is 'dictatorial' or not.
We might as well swap bus drivers for a driving comittee. one to use the gas, one to stear, one to watch, lets see how effective they are with so many lives in thier hands.
sometimes one person in total control for a period is SAFER.

R

Quoteand no, being qualified to vote, doesnt qualify you to understand why sucha  meausre is in place. unless you are experienced at advanced command and control practice. you really cant say what is 'dictatorial' or not.

I consider it important to be an informed citizen, not only of US but of the world. I'm not experienced at advanced command and control practice, in fact, I couldn't shoot my way out of a paper bag, but when compared to history of other fascist regimes, regrettably the country in which I reside has become one.

Zythyra

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 06:36:48 PM
now that, is an entirely different kettle of fish to this topics discussion, its its regardless of who is president.
and no, being qualified to vote, doesnt qualify you to understand why sucha  meausre is in place. unless you are experienced at advanced command and control practice. you really cant say what is 'dictatorial' or not.
We might as well swap bus drivers for a driving comittee. one to use the gas, one to stear, one to watch, lets see how effective they are with so many lives in thier hands.
sometimes one person in total control for a period is SAFER.

R

        It is the people's government.  It doesn't belong to only certain people.   Our constitution gives us the right to say what is dictatorial or not.

        Beyond the constitution, being born a human being gives us the right to say pretty much what we want to.

tell that to the govt, thier under the impression the can arrest people for racist, homophobic and transphobic comments.....

R

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 07:16:52 PM
tell that to the govt, thier under the impression the can arrest people for racist, homophobic and transphobic comments.....

R

the government smells

then write to them and advise bathing

R