Quote from: Rachel@Work on March 16, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

Don't worry hon, it isn't going to happen!

Quote from: Shantel on March 16, 2014, 08:40:58 PM
Don't worry hon, it isn't going to happen!

Best comment I've heard all day.

I've always been a fan of old school levers and revolvers. Henry's, 1866's, 1894's, colt army's and navys...
Something about the aesthetic and elegant simplicity of the machine.

Not to mention I'm a steampunk junkie, and anything that resembles doc Emmet Brown's sniper Winchester from back to the future gets me all giddy and geeking out

I have a 112 year old gun with side by side barrels and exposed hammers that was given to me. It has no serial number and was typical of what some old German craftsman in the Black Forest would have made. The stock is beautiful and the metal work is scrolled and has an early type of patina and a flip up rear sight. The right side barrel is 11 x 51mm and the left side barrel is a Damascus 16 ga. I cut down some 45-70 brass cases and necked them down to 11mm, got a 375 grain bullet mold and made up some rounds with a real low pressure smokeless powder that shoots well. First shot at 50 yds went through the X ring and amazed me and everyone else watching. I purchased some full length brass 16 ga shells and loaded up a few round ball rounds, some buckshot rounds and some #6 birdshot using FFG black powder as Damascus barrels can't take a lot of pressure and were designed for black powder only, they shot well as could be expected too. I did some research and found that collectors will pay $2400 for one and oddly enough the guy that gave it to me tried to buy it back for $300 once he found that it could be fired and that I had created ammo for it.
Uh - sorry pal, I never ask for gifts back, it's really bad form. 

Quote from: Shantel on March 18, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
I have a 112 year old gun with side by side barrels and exposed hammers that was given to me. It has no serial number and was typical of what some old German craftsman in the Black Forest would have made. The stock is beautiful and the metal work is scrolled and has an early type of patina and a flip up rear sight. The right side barrel is 11 x 51mm and the left side barrel is a Damascus 16 ga. I cut down some 45-70 brass cases and necked them down to 11mm, got a 375 grain bullet mold and made up some rounds with a real low pressure smokeless powder that shoots well. First shot at 50 yds went through the X ring and amazed me and everyone else watching. I purchased some full length brass 16 ga shells and loaded up a few round ball rounds, some buckshot rounds and some #6 birdshot using FFG black powder as Damascus barrels can't take a lot of pressure and were designed for black powder only, they shot well as could be expected too. I did some research and found that collectors will pay $2400 for one and oddly enough the guy that gave it to me tried to buy it back for $300 once he found that it could be fired and that I had created ammo for it.
Uh - sorry pal, I never ask for gifts back, it's really bad form. 

Sweet! i love old finds like that. Kep it and I'm sure it'll only go up in value!

Quote from: Rachel@Work on March 16, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

take my approach to it in the event it does happen. 1 NEVER register your guns and or magazines. 2 Buy pelican cases for all of them. 3, Stockpile ammo now, I already have over 2,000 rounds for my AK. 4 Have a bug out bag/Im not coming home bag ready to go at all times, mine sits by the front door with my tactical vest which is also loaded up and ready to go. 5, have 2 or 3 planned spots to get to in the woods so when the stuff hits the fan your safe.

Bottom line, remember this, if you don't tell the government what you have, they can't come take them from you.

Quote from: Rachel@Work on March 16, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Aug A3 is my fav. Guns are awesome. To bad there cracking down on them here in the US. Darn government.

Like I said elsewhere, "I truly adore your Second Amendment, preserve it carefully."
We were obligated to register our long guns up here in Canada. What followed was confiscations of "scary-looking" guns. The registry has since been scrapped (thank you Mr. Harper), but there still remain some huge prohibitions on handguns. Unless you are an armoured car driver or an officer of the court (police, sherrif, etc.) or a geologist working north of the tree line, your chances of getting an ATC (authorization to carry) are slim to none. You are not allowed to load any firearm where it cannot legally be discharged, and for handguns that would be either a licensed range or somewhere north of the tree line. To buy a handgun (which must be registered), you will need a Posession/Acquisition license (long process to get one of those, courses, at least two exams, pass mark 94%), a restricted firearm endorsement (more coursework, another two exams) and a membership in a licensed range. Now if you want to take it to the range, you need an ATT (authorization to transport). In Ontario these are good for 1 year and for any licensed range in the province, but in other provinces the ATT is good for one day, from where you store it to a specific range. The permit needs to be applied for well in advance. Those guys who shot up the Eaton Centre in Toronto... well, I don't guess they had any of that paperwork eh?

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 12:39:26 PM

Like I said elsewhere, "I truly adore your Second Amendment, preserve it carefully."
We were obligated to register our long guns up here in Canada. What followed was confiscations of "scary-looking" guns. The registry has since been scrapped (thank you Mr. Harper), but there still remain some huge prohibitions on handguns. Unless you are an armoured car driver or an officer of the court (police, sherrif, etc.) or a geologist working north of the tree line, your chances of getting an ATC (authorization to carry) are slim to none. You are not allowed to load any firearm where it cannot legally be discharged, and for handguns that would be either a licensed range or somewhere north of the tree line. To buy a handgun (which must be registered), you will need a Posession/Acquisition license (long process to get one of those, courses, at least two exams, pass mark 94%), a restricted firearm endorsement (more coursework, another two exams) and a membership in a licensed range. Now if you want to take it to the range, you need an ATT (authorization to transport). In Ontario these are good for 1 year and for any licensed range in the province, but in other provinces the ATT is good for one day, from where you store it to a specific range. The permit needs to be applied for well in advance. Those guys who shot up the Eaton Centre in Toronto... well, I don't guess they had any of that paperwork eh?

Which is always the case contrary to what the media would want to acknowledge. Nice post Ellie!

I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 12:39:26 PM

Like I said elsewhere, "I truly adore your Second Amendment, preserve it carefully."
We were obligated to register our long guns up here in Canada. What followed was confiscations of "scary-looking" guns. The registry has since been scrapped (thank you Mr. Harper), but there still remain some huge prohibitions on handguns. Unless you are an armoured car driver or an officer of the court (police, sherrif, etc.) or a geologist working north of the tree line, your chances of getting an ATC (authorization to carry) are slim to none. You are not allowed to load any firearm where it cannot legally be discharged, and for handguns that would be either a licensed range or somewhere north of the tree line. To buy a handgun (which must be registered), you will need a Posession/Acquisition license (long process to get one of those, courses, at least two exams, pass mark 94%), a restricted firearm endorsement (more coursework, another two exams) and a membership in a licensed range. Now if you want to take it to the range, you need an ATT (authorization to transport). In Ontario these are good for 1 year and for any licensed range in the province, but in other provinces the ATT is good for one day, from where you store it to a specific range. The permit needs to be applied for well in advance. Those guys who shot up the Eaton Centre in Toronto... well, I don't guess they had any of that paperwork eh?

All the more reason I say never register your guns and buy pelican cases for them. Pelican cases are air tight and water proof. If the government says they are using background check to find and confiscate unregistered firearms, bury them in your back yard or at your bug out location. If they start asking where they are, you sold them at the local gun store instead of registering them and threw away the paperwork.

History will repeat itself, "when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes responsibility" James from Tactical Response

Quote from: 930310 on March 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

In regards with shooting for sport/poaching, I couldn't agree more. It's a waste of life and inhumane. However in regards to people who hunt an animal because they need the food/fur/other parts is something else entirely. Sometimes there is no alternative, and there are only so many earthworms and tree roots you can eat.

And in regards to whole fit hitting the Shan topic, if/when supermarkets start to shut down and packaged food runs scarce, you have to make do with what you can find, grow or hunt.

Quote from: 930310 on March 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

I'm not big on trophy hunting. I do appreciate wild game, though. Really; if you have ever eaten moose... mmmmm.
What I learned from hunting: if you want to eat meat, something has to die. It taught me to respect the life of the animal I am eating and to not waste what came from that animal. I think everyone who eats meat should, at least once in their life, kill and dress what it is that they are eating. It had a profound affect on me. I don't hunt anymore, but I maintain my license. I still eat meat, not as much as I used to, but whenever I prepare a meal of it, I thank the animal it came from.

Quote from: 930310 on March 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
I'm also not one for hunting. It feels wrong to shoot a helpless animal.

In this country wild game management by various states has become big business and hunters bring the various states a lot of revenue in terms of licensing and fees, to say nothing of what they bring as income to rural communities. Most hunters are respectful of the game they shoot, it gets cut, wrapped and goes into the freezer, eventually finding it's way on the dinner table, hormone free and much healthier meat than the farmed meat from the local market. I used to hunt big game but find it's much easier to go down to the local market and pick up a nice top sirloin steak, anyway I don't consume as much red meat as I once did.. The game management people have built up the Deer and Elk population much greater than it was 100 years ago when the US was much less populated. In the eastern part of my state wild turkeys abound and have become a pest in the view of some home and farm owners who have to contend with them perching all over their roofs, porches, barns and vehicles. Smoked wild turkey is delicious and much healthier to eat than store bought turkey.

I like target shooting, but I don't like the gun lobby.

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 02:28:07 PM

I'm not big on trophy hunting. I do appreciate wild game, though. Really; if you have ever eaten moose... mmmmm.
What I learned from hunting: if you want to eat meat, something has to die. It taught me to respect the life of the animal I am eating and to not waste what came from that animal. I think everyone who eats meat should, at least once in their life, kill and dress what it is that they are eating. It had a profound affect on me. I don't hunt anymore, but I maintain my license. I still eat meat, not as much as I used to, but whenever I prepare a meal of it, I thank the animal it came from.

I once read an account of a plains Indian that killed a deer and as he prepared to dress it he thanked the Great Spirit for the animal's life, I thought that was very reverent and I believe that is the attitude people who hunt should generally have. So far I have not met a hunter who killed just for the sheer joy of killing something. Having been in combat many years ago, my last hunting trip was when I was looking at a bullet exit wound on an elk and it brought back more than I cared to remember. Though if I needed the meat and had no other alternative I wouldn't have any problem taking up hunting again.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 02:32:02 PM
I like target shooting, but I don't like the gun lobby.

It's ok Jean, we won't hold it against you dear. We wouldn't be target shooting though if it weren't for the gun lobby regardless of how obnoxious you may think they are, they're just keeping the anti-gun rhetoric balanced.

Quote from: Shantel on March 19, 2014, 02:40:59 PM
It's ok Jean, we won't hold it against you dear. We wouldn't be target shooting though if it weren't for the gun lobby regardless of how obnoxious you may think they are, they're just keeping the anti-gun rhetoric balanced.

Well there definitely wouldn't be as many armed maniacs without the gun lobby either.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
Well there definitely wouldn't be as many armed maniacs without the gun lobby either.

They don't come from the ranks of legal firearms owners although a few mentally deranged occasionally get past the basic checks which makes it clear that the current process is flawed and for the time being it' incumbent on those knowing individuals that are clearly deranged to step forward and say something rather than wait until they run amok. Most of the shootings nation-wide are carried out by illegal gun owners. But look Jean, we've beat this dead horse to death here in the past so I'm not going to take it any further. You have my best regards hon.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
Well there definitely wouldn't be as many armed maniacs without the gun lobby either.

Sorry Jean, I just had to weigh in here. Way up here in the frozen north we have some pretty strict controls on who can legally own  a firearm. The regulations are tight. To get a license, that would be just to buy and own one, that is, you have to take a week long course and pass a written exam (passmark is 94%), and also a practical exam (identifying and handling firearms). In addition, you need two written references (the referees will be interviewed by police) and if you are married, your spouse will also be interviewed. When you store or transport a firearm, it has to be unloaded, disabled from firing and cased. The ammunition has to be stored separately. You are not allowed to load a firearm unless it is at a place designated for that purpose. You need additional licensing to own a handgun. You can't carry a handgun in Canada, unless you are a licensed carrier of insured money (armoured car) or you are an officer of the court. All of these rules and yet we still see this:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/08/31/jane_and_finch_torontos_most_dangerous_place_to_be_a_kid.html

Quote from: EllieM on March 19, 2014, 03:15:14 PM

Sorry Jean, I just had to weigh in here. Way up here in the frozen north we have some pretty strict controls on who can legally own  a firearm. The regulations are tight. To get a license, that would be just to buy and own one, that is, you have to take a week long course and pass a written exam (passmark is 94%), and also a practical exam (identifying and handling firearms). In addition, you need two written references (the referees will be interviewed by police) and if you are married, your spouse will also be interviewed. When you store or transport a firearm, it has to be unloaded, disabled from firing and cased. The ammunition has to be stored separately. You are not allowed to load a firearm unless it is at a place designated for that purpose. You need additional licensing to own a handgun. You can't carry a handgun in Canada, unless you are a licensed carrier of insured money (armoured car) or you are an officer of the court. All of these rules and yet we still see this:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/08/31/jane_and_finch_torontos_most_dangerous_place_to_be_a_kid.html

That's an improvement over what we have in the US. Most of our major cities have 3-10 times the murder rate that Toronto does.

Quote from: Jean24 on March 19, 2014, 03:50:53 PM
That's an improvement over what we have in the US. Most of our major cities have 3-10 times the murder rate that Toronto does.

My best argument: Kennesaw GA.
I know this is a very contentious issue. I know people are dying. All I am saying is that it won't stop because of some laws. I can't prescribe for the US, the culture is different there than here in the Dominion of Canada. I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is an answer, but I would be very cautious about relinquishing your freedom for some imagined sense of security. Your own Ben Franklin had something to say about that. Ok, I'm done here, I don't want this to deteriorate into a silly divisive argument so I politely withdraw.