Not sure whether this is just my experience.. but I noticed since going on T women have started to treat me better. Before they used to glare at me and not talk to me, but now I've noticed them generally being nicer and even flirting/checking me out at times. o_O  Ain't complaining...but interesting! I wonder why. Has this happened to anyone else?

I've actually found the opposite. It seems like as I get better at passing, men are more friendly and women less so.

Quote from: Nikotinic on March 29, 2014, 04:01:35 AM
I've actually found the opposite. It seems like as I get better at passing, men are more friendly and women less so.

Yeah pretty much. The other day I was on the bus and the door was broken, I saw a girl heading towards it and I said "I think that one is broken." She literally gave me this "jesus why the f* are you looking at me ew" expression. The only women who gave me dirty looks before were older women who thought I was too masculine...but now I find young girls don't really like when I talk to them and they kinda cut things short a lot. They're not so quick or chatty with me.

Whereas with men, they're not always nice, but I get more guys talking to me. Just like, "hey buddy, do you know the time", or "how's it going man."  As a girl it was like I was invisible to men lol.

Its ok , each person is different,,,

some women like to hang out with guys and generally be more open with them some dont...
but of course guys are friendly with other guys all the time...XD

Women are definitely treating me better. I have no idea why women were so mean and arrogant when I was passing as female, but now that I pass as male almost every woman smiles at me, says hello, will respond to questions. This is even at work. I've never had a job as a female where women were so openly friendly toward me. I see them behaving differently to my female coworkers, and my coworkers agree with me that they treat me better.

I've been verbally and almost physically attacked by women because I dared to ask them to control their dog (twice I was approached by off leash dogs with a highly dog reactive dog at my side IN BUSY TRAFFIC). Both of these women were so arrogant it made me feel sick. They screamed, they got in my face, they flipped me off, they called me the C word, they made complete fools of themselves in public with everyone staring at them thinking 'what the heck is your problem?!' All because I said 'Hey! Would you grab your dog? Mine isn't friendly!'

Quote from: randomroads on March 29, 2014, 06:56:05 AM
Women are definitely treating me better. I have no idea why women were so mean and arrogant when I was passing as female, but now that I pass as male almost every woman smiles at me, says hello, will respond to questions. This is even at work. I've never had a job as a female where women were so openly friendly toward me. I see them behaving differently to my female coworkers, and my coworkers agree with me that they treat me better.

During my stint in school, I found that a particular group of girls tried to...I'm not really sure what, but when I didn't act normal and fall into their fold, they quickly got nasty with me and I once nearly got thrown out of my one single favourite class because I snapped at one for making threats at me. They ended up constantly trying to bully and make my life hell.

I have a friend who, at work, is ostracized by a group of women who will purposefully whisper to each other and make it clear she and another woman are not invited to anything. The problem with that kind of behaviour? They're in their forties!

Finally, I don't know how many of you are into music, but I find the fangirls are vicious toward both each other and the wives of the band members. Sometimes to the point of driving that band member or wife off the internet. I've seen no end to how far one can go with the nasty rumours, swearing/insults, threats, telling people to die...

Men fight and get over it. Women? They never forget. I don't understand. O.e

Quote from: birkin on March 29, 2014, 04:16:46 AM
Yeah pretty much. The other day I was on the bus and the door was broken, I saw a girl heading towards it and I said "I think that one is broken." She literally gave me this "jesus why the f* are you looking at me ew" expression. The only women who gave me dirty looks before were older women who thought I was too masculine...but now I find young girls don't really like when I talk to them and they kinda cut things short a lot. They're not so quick or chatty with me.

Whereas with men, they're not always nice, but I get more guys talking to me. Just like, "hey buddy, do you know the time", or "how's it going man."  As a girl it was like I was invisible to men lol.

I wonder how much of it is fear-based.  Depending on where you live and the situation, women (especially younger ones or ones that are alone in public) are much more likely to show fear to a strange man that is interacting with them.  That's also probably why men didn't interact with you as much when you seemed like a girl; they didn't want to make you nervous.

The same thing happens to me.  I'm pre-T, but pass well enough that after socially transitioning I get a lot more random interaction with men, and when I walk around in the evening, women will cross the street to walk around me and will look over their shoulder often if I'm walking behind them.  Men are often viewed as being powerful; I view it as people acknowledging that and am happy to go with the new role.

Women treat me *differently* but not sure whether it is better or worse. I'm not in the club anymore, so to speak.
Sometimes women sales people treat me better, i.e. go out of their way more, as I think this is a social expectation. I am a little uncomfortable with it as I don't know why they should walk me to the aisle and show me when "aisle 4 on the right hand side" would work.

Randomroads: I believe that there is a special place in hell for people who don't leash (or use a flexi) on a dog when the dog is clearly not under good control and then complain to you about it.


--Jay

I've kinda gotten mixed reactions. From friends, they are supportive and treat me well, if not better. However, other of my not-as-close female friends seem to distance themselves and one even snaps at me constantly and outright avoids me. From other girls who I know they seem to not treat me much more differently, and some even try to give me sympathy ((Not that I want it)) I can't say much about just women I know in general because most of the ones I know are already my friends. However, I do notice that some treat me more as they would a guy, and even though I'm still friendly as ever, I find it more difficult to make female friends. However, overall, I seem not to be treated any worse or better by girls.

Guys however, are a different story, many dudes who knew me when I was just a girl who looked like a guy, treat me much more like one of the guys now, I find it easier to get brofists from other guys and have a lot more male friends. However, unfortunately, guys are less huggy than girls, so I get less brohugs from males now, no matter how friendly I am. From guys who have known me longer ((Like, since before I started going full-time)) joke a lot about my transition, I don't mind, but sometimes they don't know when they've crossed the line. They know I'm serious about this, but they seem to refuse to treat me any differently, and against my will I've grown to hate them for it.

I've had mixed reactions as well. Before starting my transition, women/girls were only really mean to me in situations such as school where I was not at all popular or good looking so they thought less of me I guess. Now, women are rude in that I think they see me as the stereotypical guy. Right now, women's rights are being brought to the forefront again and I think the media and such is really influencing women's behaviors. I definitely think it's great that women are really fighting for their rights, but it's kind of making women view men differently. I really don't want to offend anybody because it's not my aim, but I really think it's true. Now a lot of women think that if a guy tries to help them lift a heavy box, the guy thinks they are "weak" when that is usually not the case. Yes, there are some men out there who think less of women, but not all guys are like that. I'm not trying to make generalizations because not all women think this way, but the ones who have been rude to me in public seem to think this way. And also some women have just been rude to me because that's their personality I guess. For example, the other day I was at the store and I accidentally blocked the aisle with my cart and as soon as I noticed a woman standing there, I said "I'm sorry" and moved it out of the way. She then proceeded to glare at me and push by me in a way that was obviously meant to be rude.
As far as women treating me differently in a good way, it's not all that much different. Before transition, women just pretty much ignored me. Now, they still ignore me. I'm not the best looking guy out there so I don't get flirted with, but even everyday conversations aren't that much different. I guess now women just keep conversations short. Some transguys might see this as rude but you have to remember that there's not really any common ground anymore. Before, women may have tried to talk to you because they felt like they could talk about "girl stuff" like hair and makeup. Now, they can't really do that anymore so they just avoid conversations. But I've also noticed a change in female sales workers. They seem more enthusiastic about helping me find things...I don't know, it's kind of weird. I don't see why me being male would affect how they greet and treat customers, but I've definitely noticed that. But again, those are just really small differences.

Men on the other hand have started treating me so much differently. Before, guys just ignored me. I never really spoke to any men and that was the end of it. Now, some guys will just make polite conversation in waiting rooms. They also give me a nod if we just so happen to look at each other while walking down the street. I'd say the majority of guys that know I'm trans are really uncomfortable with it for reasons I'll probably never know, but the ones that don't care are really cool about it. In school, most guys just avoid me (probably because they don't see me as one of the guys) but the ones that I'm somewhat friends/acquaintances with really just treat me like a guy. It's hard to explain. I won't name any names but there's this one guy I have a few classes with and he gives me a nod a lot in the hallways, he doesn't say things like "you were born a girl so you wouldn't understand" like a lot of other guys do, and he always shakes my hand. It's a little weird to me how much he shakes my hand but it's kind of cool. He also kind of compliments me on certain things...it's almost like he knows that I'm a bit insecure about certain things. To go along with the handshakes topic-I've always been really insecure about it because I felt like mine were weak, but then the first time he shook my hand he nodded and said "nice manly handshake, none of that weak crap". Anyway, I'm kind of getting off topic so I'll just stop now.

Come to think of it... Yeah. Girls will flirt with just about anything if they believe it's got a willy! Man, I hate to agree with them... Lol

Quote from: FindingJames on March 29, 2014, 05:26:58 PM
But I've also noticed a change in female sales workers. They seem more enthusiastic about helping me find things...I don't know, it's kind of weird. I don't see why me being male would affect how they greet and treat customers, but I've definitely noticed that. But again, those are just really small differences.

From being a sales worker, when you talk to men they are much nicer when you help them. Girls just give you a 'f you' 'bitch face' no matter if they try to be nice.

This is a very interesting topic.

Something that I've noticed is that I seem to feel confused by the way women treat me now.  Before T, I didn't really "read into" the way I was reacted to or treated by other women.  But now, I guess I'm always trying to figure out what they think of me, so I read more into the way they speak to me, act around me, etc. 

Guys - I've always fit in with guys, so I don't really notice much difference in the way they treat me now as before transitioning.

Wow some interesting responses. I've had the experiences some of you had pre-T of general bitchiness from women, it could just boil down to female jealousy/competition. Since nothing's really changed except my looks and pheromones.
I was totally expecting worse treatment, being that I'm not white I'd look dangerous/threatening.

Treatment from guys has been the same... always had a masculine personality.

As for me, I think i gained more confidence when talking to women after being on T. That, definitely, contributes to them having more interest in me. Another thing I just wanna put it out there for everyone is that even if you are on T, you might not be passing well as you think you are. You might want to ask a trust worthy friend about how well you're passing (or not). And be cautious to people on the street too.

Although I have been seen as male for many years now, there are some things Ive noticed as changes since leaving the teen years as male. The main difference I have noticed over time, are females probably from around 15 - 30yrs can sometimes give you that instant "Im not interested!" high and mighty treatment which really, really annoys me. Im only asking for the time, or telling you your bag is unzipped (I don't want your stuff falling out) and they give you a judging look or dismiss you as if every guy is coming on to them. I hate that. Fair enough that many girls get pestered by men, but atleast see if what I am saying to you is from a genuine concern/kindness standpoint first!

   And guys generally approach me more regarding every day things - again, what the time is, or just general passing chat.

I am like mtftm but personally I wouldn't say it changed too much. Before anything yeah it super pissed me off if women acted like i was interested in them just because I'm nice, though mostly that didn't happen... sometimes i would overcompensate and just totally block myself off to women (strangers) because i didn't want to be friendly and then have them be bitchy back at me. Fragile pride? lol. But most of the time i think they could tell I was cool and I found that we generally got along well.

Living as a girl guys do treat me differently compared to when I would pass as male before. Generally their treatment pretty instantly reveals how they feel about me... most of the time men are so honest lol with the nonverbals. It's so cute.

The only way girls treat me differently is as a girl they are more likely to assume I will agree with them on things and yeah, I'm sorta part of the club. As a guy, even a girly gay guy, I can be an amazing friend but i'm not quite a member of the club and they project on me less. So that's a lil different.