Quote from: dalebert on March 07, 2014, 02:19:55 PM
My co-host is fond of substituting "ovaries" whenever he's about to make a statement like that, e.g. "It took some mighty big ovaries to try that!" I like to think every time he says that, it makes people think about these little catch phrases.

I know a couple of people that do that, I like to think the same on a semi-related note, this always makes me chuckle:

Quote from: Polo on March 13, 2014, 04:41:27 PM
I know a couple of people that do that, I like to think the same on a semi-related note, this always makes me chuckle:

This.

This article actually mentions the phrase which is really just one symptom of the broader problem of pressure to conform to "male" expectations, whatever that is.

http://malestrom1.tumblr.com/post/79546805299/why-lily-allen-presuming-to-tell-men-what-they-should#.UyMcSPldVqU

Quote from: dalebert on March 14, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
This article actually mentions the phrase which is really just one symptom of the broader problem of pressure to conform to "male" expectations, whatever that is.

http://malestrom1.tumblr.com/post/79546805299/why-lily-allen-presuming-to-tell-men-what-they-should#.UyMcSPldVqU

Good article. I like this FB page which reframes the question: Discusses stuff like raising kids, violence against women, LGBT issues (though haven't seen anything on the T yet), etc.
https://www.facebook.com/thegoodmenproject


--Jay

If anyone is curious to see the thread that inspired this thread, here's a link. WARNING: There's some major HERP DERP on the subject of gender going on over there, so I suggest you don't click if you have high blood pressure or a heart condition or a tendency to stay up all night when someone is wrong on the Internet! Personally, I have no idea what that's like.

NOTE to Mods (hopefully one sees this): I didn't actually link it yet because it's possibly a violation of the TOS since it's on a different forum. It's seems right on the borderline though. It's directly relevant as a perfect IRL example of rampant gender bias/sexism. Let me know if it's okay or not. I suppose I could just quote a few things that have been said but that wouldn't convey nearly as well the extent of logistical contortions people will try to justify their personal prejudices.

EDIT: Decided not to link it. Details below. If you want it, PM me, I guess.

With your ranking dalebert you can do it. Just make sure you trust the source as this privilege can be withdrawn if issue's occur as a result.
The information, language and content must meet our TOS's as well.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on March 29, 2014, 10:46:01 AM
With your ranking dalebert you can do it. Just make sure you trust the source as this privilege can be withdrawn if issue's occur as a result.
The information, language and content must meet our TOS's as well.

I guess I will err on the side of caution then. It's family-friendly IMHO and is moderated, but they don't moderate for language. The debates can get pretty heated over there occasionally (the "manliness" thread being an excellent example!). They don't moderate that nearly as much since it's not a support site.

I dunno, I get why some find it offensive but personally I get a boost when my coach uses it between sparring rounds or when I'm hurt, I'm fading or I'm close to the finish looking for that last push. For me it's more of a motivational booster, something that pushes me past my limit. The way we've discussed it in class is more that in our minds it's SuperhuMAN up. There's little short motivational boosts.  "You got this" seems so passive. Like what you're doing is enough and you don't need to push youself. But "man up" feels like you have to physically power up to that extra level.

Yeah it's maybe not the best idea but for us at Taekwon-do, it works.  Boy and girl alike.  But I think it's one of those things where sometimes people like it and sometimes they don't, and if they don't you don't use it with them. I see it the same way I see swearing. Some love it and some hate it.  Where one group find it offensive and wrong, the other find it adds to the strength of language and isn't evil. Neither group is essentially right or wrong. We could debate all day on this one and never have a conclusion.

I do think that "man up" and "be a man" shouldn't be used around kids IMO. I think it to be harmful on an emotional level when used attached to overly stereotypically masculine ways. However, at the same time, is saying that a boy who knocks up a girl should "be a man" and be there for mother and child a bad association? Maybe if these phrases were attached more to positive affirmation in less stereotypical masculine fueled ways we'd see it in a different light.