Hey everyone. I was going to post this in the regular section but here seemed more appropriate. Just wondering what you all think about this.  So I have this Gen2 Peecock and the only way I can get it to work is if I force a seal at the back of it with my hand.  Hope I'm not being too descriptive but... Ok so this means my hand is slightly in my pants (unbuttoned) while I use my pinky and ring finger to make the seal.  Would this be super awkward in a public bathroom urinal do you think? I was really hoping it would be a lot easier to use but for some reason it refuses to work with me otherwise.

I also use my peecock with one hand holding it in my pants and the other hand hold the shaft. I feel a little awkward when doing so but nobody has paid attention to that.

I am confused. I thought that the peecock was for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.

Quote from: mac1 on April 02, 2014, 06:55:25 PM
I am confused. I thought that the peecock waw for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.

One and the same.

I'm an owner of a Gen2 myself and although I don't use public urinals yet, I don't think that kind of setup is too awkward. Most men just go in, do their business, and get out. Even if someone were to give you a quick glance, I wouldn't reckon that it would look suspicious. Out of curiosity, how do you wear it in your pants? I'm currently trying to figure out a setting where it's most convenient and comfortable for me. I find that using their packing underwear is the most comfortable, but I'm trying to currently adjust to using a harness.

Quote from: mac1 on April 02, 2014, 06:55:25 PM
I am confused. I thought that the peecock waw for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.

Yeah, it's directed mainly towards FTMs (or any others interested in that kind of product). My guess is that they used transmen as their models for pictures..

Quote from: mac1 on April 02, 2014, 06:55:25 PM
I am confused. I thought that the peecock waw for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.

Well FTMs are men (or many of us are- could be transmasculine). I wouldn't expect that you would necessarily know we were FTM by looking at us.

--Jay

use it all the time in the toilets not had any problems, i even have to pull my jeans down a little. lots of guys do it in different ways. Don't think you have anything to worry about. If someone ask just say you like playing with your balls as they help you go or something

Ok thanks guys! On one hand I thought they're not going to really be looking lol but on the other hand what if... It's good to know that it probably wouldn't be an issue though as this was one of the big reasons I ended up getting one of these.

Quote from: rexyrex on April 03, 2014, 08:15:33 AM
use it all the time in the toilets not had any problems, i even have to pull my jeans down a little. lots of guys do it in different ways. Don't think you have anything to worry about. If someone ask just say you like playing with your balls as they help you go or something

Hahaha yeah that's not a bad idea

Quote from: Maleth on April 02, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
I'm an owner of a Gen2 myself and although I don't use public urinals yet, I don't think that kind of setup is too awkward. Most men just go in, do their business, and get out. Even if someone were to give you a quick glance, I wouldn't reckon that it would look suspicious. Out of curiosity, how do you wear it in your pants? I'm currently trying to figure out a setting where it's most convenient and comfortable for me. I find that using their packing underwear is the most comfortable, but I'm trying to currently adjust to using a harness.

I wear it up and to the left side a bit in their packing underwear if that's what you mean. Their underwear is actually pretty nice, albeit expensive.  I thought I was getting 3, not 1 lol oh well. I decided to try it that way since that's what a lot of male models seem to do xD And it seems the most convenient when taking a leak.  I don't have a harness though, I've been trying to find a jockstrap to modify but I'll be doing the same thing again with that most likely.  The only thing I've noticed is I find it makes a bigger bulge than what I really want... Oh and I use briefs or boxer briefs, it just feels... safer I guess.

I have been using the men's when I am away from my apartment for about a year.  I don't have the Gen2.  From the description you guys are giving and seeing the Gen2, I think there would be no problem using it at an urinal as long as there was the larger style divider between them.  Guys don't look at how the guy next to them is hold himself to pee, that is just the rule. It could look a little different if you had two fingers of one hand inside your pants and the other hand holding on the outside.  With the larger dividers I see in many restrooms, I could easily see a guy using a Gen2 without being very obvious.  I would wanted to have used one many time at a urinal with no one around, before trying it with a guy next to me, otherwise I wouldn't be able to go myself.  It took me awhile to get comfortable peeing in a stall in the men's room.  I still like to go when there is no one else in there.  I now have gone into large restrooms when there is no other choice, and can pee with no problem.

I don't understand why you would want to endure the inconvenience, discomfort and appearance of having something like that in your pants just to allow you to be able to pee while standing. It is rigid, always erect and not flexible. It will present an unsightly and unnatural bulge in your pants. It will leave you with a damp feeling and the smell of urine and possibly even a pee spot on your trousers as you will be unable to dry your labia and the inside of the device. Do you really want to look like you have an erect penis all of the time?    The women will think that you are a real pervert.  Most men's trousers are looser fitting than women's pants and the lack of a noticable bulge in the crotch will not be that obvious.

What is wrong with taking a few extra minutes to sit to pee in comfort? You know that men also have the ability to do that and some actually prefer to sit. Nobody really pays any attention as to which way you do it. You are used to sitting so what is the big deal if you continue to do so?

The only real and exclusive function of a penis is the ability to penetrate a vagina, give both partners sexual pleasure, and impregnate the female. The peecock will not provide that ability. You can present your selves as a man in all the other ways without having a penis or a peecock. So why would you really want the inconvenience of having a peecock?

This particular product is made of soft silicone and is hollow so it has much the same appearance of a regular penis sitting in trousers which is a part of the point in having it. It's actually quite comfortable to wear and in a way feels like a part of myself. Some guys (myself included) are dysphoric about not having something between the legs, and not having the ability to stand to pee can also be quite dysphoric as that's a very male thing to do, even if not all males stand to pee, most have that option. Also, with this product you are really only a tiny bit damp at the end if you use it right, and won't even mark your underwear. It works pretty well. Also, it can be used for sex. No, it doesn't have sensation of course and can't impregnate anyone, but that's not really the point, as I'm sure you might understand. So all in all, it's very worth it. A bit of money to get something that can greatly alleviate dysphoria, or at least a little bit. Basically, it's about as close to having a real penis as can be gotten for me for now. So it was really worth it.

Standing for a male is just as important as sitting is for a female.  Its what we do.
And not too many people are sniffing our crouch, also as for a damp spot, I've seen many a damp spot on the front of men's pants.

Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
I don't understand why you would want to endure the inconvenience, discomfort and appearance of having something like that in your pants just to allow you to be able to pee while standing. It is rigid, always erect and not flexible. It will present an unsightly and unnatural bulge in your pants. It will leave you with a damp feeling and the smell of urine and possibly even a pee spot on your trousers as you will be unable to dry your labia and the inside of the device. Do you really want to look like you have an erect penis all of the time?    The women will think that you are a real pervert.  Most men's trousers are looser fitting than women's pants and the lack of a noticable bulge in the crotch will not be that obvious.

This might not be the best place to satisfy your curiosity about trans guys. It's also clear you don't quite get the whole notion of dysphoria. You might kind of look this up or read discretely so that you might understand this better. You might also look up packers and STPs so that you can figure out what they actually do.


--Jay

Quote from: Sarah Louise on April 03, 2014, 01:43:04 PM
Standing for a male is just as important as sitting is for a female.  Its what we do.
And not too many people are sniffing our crouch, also as for a damp spot, I've seen many a damp spot on the front of men's pants.

As a male I never found standing to be that satisfying. I stood for many years both at urinals and when outside.  I always found it to be uncomfortable when standing next to another guy at the urinal. I frequently got splashes on my trousers and damp spots on the front of my trousers from the last squirt after tucking my penis back in. Sometimes the stream stopped and started again thus the waiting made it look like I was standing there playing with that thing.

As for the damp spot you have seen on the front of men's pants: That damp spot is from the last spurt after tucking it back in. You can squeeze some out of a real one but you still frequently get some later. With the peecock you probably wont be able to squeeze it dry so you might also get a damp spot in your pants. How will you feel about that?

Once I decided to try sitting the situation changed. I was able to relax and take my time without feeling uncomfortable about how it looked. I was able to more fully empty my bladder, not worry about wether the stream was going to be strong or weak, and not worry wether the stream was going to be steady or interrupted. I did not have to be concerned about splashing on my trousers or about getting a wet spot on them from the last squirt after tucking it back in. Sometimes I have to wait longer for a stall due to the limited number of stalls in some men's restrooms. However, over all it was much more satisfying. I no longer consider standing under any circumstances.

Quote from: aleon515 on April 03, 2014, 02:21:45 PM

This might not be the best place to satisfy your curiosity about trans guys. It's also clear you don't quite get the whole notion of dysphoria. You might kind of look this up or read discretely so that you might understand this better. You might also look up packers and STPs so that you can figure out what they actually do.

--Jay

Wrong - I understand about dysphoria. Having a penis has caused me dysphoria on many occasions. Refer to my above post for some of the ways. I never got any real pleasure or satisfaction from being able to pee while standing. In addition, I always felt embarrased to have an erection showing in my trousers, shorts or swim suit; or to even have a noticable bulge in them when wearing snugly fitting styles. The only way in which it gave me pleasure and satisfaction was from sexual intercourse. Now that my wife has given up sexual intercourse due to vaginal dryness I could be content to not have a penis.

Having a penis, as well as not having one, can give you dysphoria. I could be content with not having a penis and even with wearing clothing that presented a smooth look in the crotch. I would not have any feeling of embarrasment or inadequacy. It is a personal matter as to how you view the situation and no as to how others view you.

Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
Wrong - I understand about dysphoria. Having a penis has caused me dysphoria on many occasions. Refer to my above post for some of the ways. I never got any real pleasure or satisfaction from being able to pee while standing. In addition, I always felt embarrased to have an erection showing in my trousers, shorts or swim suit; or to even have a noticable bulge in them when wearing snugly fitting styles. The only way in which it gave me pleasure and satisfaction was from sexual intercourse. Now that my wife has given up sexual intercourse due to vaginal dryness I could be content to not have a penis.

Having a penis, as well as not having one, can give you dysphoria. I could be content with not having a penis and even with wearing clothing that presented a smooth look in the crotch. I would not have any feeling of embarrasment or inadequacy. It is a personal matter as to how you view the situation and no as to how others view you.

You say having a penis causes you dysphoria, which implies that you'd like it to not be there, so why does it seem strange for you that being dysphoric about NOT having one makes us want one there? Whatever you feel dysphoric about, we feel dysphoric about in the opposite way. It's natural for you to not feel pleasure or satisfaction standing up to pee if you're a girl, and similarly it's natural for us to want to pee standing up because we're guys. (Of course, women who stand and men who sit are still normal, it's just not as common.) To put it simply, almost everything you don't like is something we desire, and what we don't like, you desire.
As you say, male pants are formed so that a bulge generally isn't noticeable. So we don't wear packers or STPs to make a noticeable bulge, but to simply fill in there what our male-bodied brothers already have. It's purely for our own comfort, and not for others to notice. Packers are not intended to be erect, they're intended to mimic a flaccid penis. And as men whose bodies do not have a penis, we ease our dysphoria by using packers. To us, a product like the peecock isn't an inconvenience at all, but rather affirming of our identities and even comforting. And even if we consider a packer somewhat inconvenient, the emotional pain from the dysphoria greatly outweighs the discomfort from the packer. Sure, I sit on my packer wrong sometimes and it's uncomfortable, but to me, that equals being as close to physically male as I can be right now.

Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
Wrong - I understand about dysphoria. Having a penis has caused me dysphoria on many occasions. Refer to my above post for some of the ways. I never got any real pleasure or satisfaction from being able to pee while standing. In addition, I always felt embarrased to have an erection showing in my trousers, shorts or swim suit; or to even have a noticable bulge in them when wearing snugly fitting styles. The only way in which it gave me pleasure and satisfaction was from sexual intercourse. Now that my wife has given up sexual intercourse due to vaginal dryness I could be content to not have a penis.

Having a penis, as well as not having one, can give you dysphoria. I could be content with not having a penis and even with wearing clothing that presented a smooth look in the crotch. I would not have any feeling of embarrasment or inadequacy. It is a personal matter as to how you view the situation and no as to how others view you.

Well I understand that, perhaps I should have said, you are posting in an FTM section, not an MTF section. We should NOT have to explain to you what it's like to be FTM in this section. Most of my friends who are MTF do understand this all by analogy perhaps, just like I can understand why you might want parts of the body that I don't. It's the nature fo being trans. IF you read various articles or perhaps Matt Kailey's blog (tranifesto), http://tranifesto.com/
you might understand this better, without asking questions perhaps FTM people don't really want to answer.


--Jay

Your right, this is a FtM section and I think its time we went back to the OP's original question.

We have explored this "sideline" long enough.

Sarah L.
Global Moderator

Quote from: Evan of Spades on April 02, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
Hey everyone. I was going to post this in the regular section but here seemed more appropriate. Just wondering what you all think about this.  So I have this Gen2 Peecock and the only way I can get it to work is if I force a seal at the back of it with my hand.  Hope I'm not being too descriptive but... Ok so this means my hand is slightly in my pants (unbuttoned) while I use my pinky and ring finger to make the seal.  Would this be super awkward in a public bathroom urinal do you think? I was really hoping it would be a lot easier to use but for some reason it refuses to work with me otherwise.

Ok back to your question:

The guy standing next to you will think that you are playing with your penis and not just holding it to pee. He might even razz you for doing it.

Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
I don't understand why you would want to endure the inconvenience, discomfort and appearance of having something like that in your pants just to allow you to be able to pee while standing. It is rigid, always erect and not flexible. It will present an unsightly and unnatural bulge in your pants. It will leave you with a damp feeling and the smell of urine and possibly even a pee spot on your trousers as you will be unable to dry your labia and the inside of the device. Do you really want to look like you have an erect penis all of the time?    The women will think that you are a real pervert.  Most men's trousers are looser fitting than women's pants and the lack of a noticable bulge in the crotch will not be that obvious.

What is wrong with taking a few extra minutes to sit to pee in comfort? You know that men also have the ability to do that and some actually prefer to sit. Nobody really pays any attention as to which way you do it. You are used to sitting so what is the big deal if you continue to do so?

The only real and exclusive function of a penis is the ability to penetrate a vagina, give both partners sexual pleasure, and impregnate the female. The peecock will not provide that ability. You can present your selves as a man in all the other ways without having a penis or a peecock. So why would you really want the inconvenience of having a peecock?

Hi Mac,

While I as a trans guy personally don't understand it either, for some this is essential. I don't have much genital dysphoria and have no problem sitting or squatting. For me - my parts were designed to void a certain way and I'm ok with that. But some guys aren't. Just as there are some trans women who need SRS and others who don't. We all have different needs.

I don't personally understand why a trans woman would want to sit when it seems more convenient to stand or even have SRS for that matter either. But it's not for me to understand. We're all in this together, and we don't have to understand something personally to sympathize.