I've never been "girly" in any way, and until about my mid 20's if I wore a hat and baggyish clothing I was more often seen as a teenage boy than a female of any age.

I've always had wide feet, and boy/men's shoes have been my go to since I was old enough to pick them out myself (middle school). The last time I sort of had to wear women's shoes (Sorority function.....) even the wider widths for the length of my feet pinched and rubbed and tore up the front half of my feet.

I've also always had fairly hairy (I think) arms. In times when I was trying to look feminine I would have to shave them. The backs of my hands, backs of my fingers too. Heck, even my toes. Not that I shave anything anymore except pits.

Broad shoulders....my father was a shortish guy (about 5 foot 6 to 5 foot 7) but by my senior year of HS my shoulders fit his jackets perfectly. He had this old tweed one I "stole" and wore in the winter. My shoulders fit a XL men's dress shirt in most brands. In some brands it's a 2x, depends on the cut. Example....Polo anything XL for the shoulders...but the rest is more a L. I grew up working with horses so that may explain some of the muscle positioning. I have always been square.

So I was wondering, in the days pre-transition (at any point from figuring out for yourself who you are to pre-T or the early days of T etc) did you guys have male characteristics?

Hmmm I can't say I had many male characteristics.  The majority of my features screams female.  However, I did get more read as a boy in school when I had my hair braided in a masculine way.

I made a similar thread a couple of years ago. 

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=120401.0

And I was wondering why I hadn't found anything on this yet!

Thanks for the link.

No problem!  Hopefully we can get some newer replies here! 

I'm 5'9 and about 100 pounds soaking wet, but I've got no hips or butt to speak of. My shoulders are broad, even though I don't have the muscle there yet. I have an okay voice, but not over the phone.

I have a square enough jaw, it's not too rounded so I can keep shorter hair. I don't walk like a girl, I've never walked like a girl actually. I don't have too many feminine mannerisms, but my voice does do that high pitched thing when I get excited.

My posture and bearing I've had to work on because I'm naturally a shy person.

nothing much but my face has a lot. it's a photocopy of my father's lol, that's how everyone calls it. thick eyebrows joined in the middle if you look close, and other happy stuff you guys said when i posted i pic on do i pass thread. big nose and non-heart-shaped-but-smoothened-out lips and strong facial features as i recall were what you said. wide feet here too, that would fit very uncomfortably in womens shoes. not very long but wide and thick with big toes. the rest of the list consists of behavioural stuff that i probably learnt on purpose, and other physical features that i thought are more like male to satisfy myself but actually pretty average for a female body. that includes my voice, adams apple, biceps, belly fat, shoulders and many more.

I was always hairy, ever since I was in elementary. Got made fun of for it. Besides that, I guess I always had a strong jawline but more from the side, especially when I lost weight pre t. And I always sweated a lot.

My shoulders are fairly broad. I've been read as a guy off and on since kindergarten. He and I were playing in my bedroom when he discovered I had dresses. He said "I didn't know you were a girl!"  Then each time we moved I had to go through the same "I didn't know you were a girl" process over and over again.  I wish I'd know it were possible to transition way back then. 

In high school I had to learn how to carry my books like a girl, walk like a girl, and all that. I went way underground for a couple decades. 

Quote from: TRyan on April 09, 2014, 07:45:46 PM
My shoulders are fairly broad. I've been read as a guy off and on since kindergarten. He and I were playing in my bedroom when he discovered I had dresses. He said "I didn't know you were a girl!"  Then each time we moved I had to go through the same "I didn't know you were a girl" process over and over again.  I wish I'd know it were possible to transition way back then. 

In high school I had to learn how to carry my books like a girl, walk like a girl, and all that. I went way underground for a couple decades.

I never did learn to do those things "girl style"

My face for one, I was always hairy as can be xD arms, legs, pits, everything. Even though I have a lot of fat around my butt, my hips aren't really wide, and my chest isn't the narrowest. Around puberty, I began growing in some facial hair ((Particularly around the mustache area)) which I was teased a lot for when I was younger. my hands are bony although small. However, I'm short and I have very small feet XP

Also, when I was younger, I could never... ever sit with my legs crossed, I always took up space xD Never realized it.

I really can't stay I have any male characteristics to myself. Well, possibly when I have short hair, I do look like a dude. I don't mind at all. I've never really been girly and I hate anything dealing with being considered female.

I always had a masculine-shaped jaw and was pretty hairy.  My body language and gait was always mannish - my grandmother used to hate it.

This is a good question... Some things I am 100% sure are more masculine than others (as some people, including my mum, have mentioned them before). That will definitely be hair, especially since mine is very dark. I wouldn't say I am awfully hairy but I definitely have more hair than most ladies. I look a lot like my dad so I can see many similarities there, including relatively narrow hips and wider shoulders. Also, I sweat more than girls but I guess that could just vary a lot between one person and the next, regardless of their sex.

Other things might just be in my head but I have always had long hair to hide the fact that my face looks very boyish. In secondary school a hairdresser pushed the boundaries of cutting my hair shorter than I had asked and left me with a Harry Potter style haircut. Needless to say, some at school also noticed the similarities... It didn't help that I wore glasses back then.

I became very hairy when puberty hit and since I never shaved (except my upper lips) people made fun of me tons of times.

Well, I suppose I have been told I have rather manly mannerism, and before I came out of the closet and would try to wear heals, my friend ended up commenting on it and telling me that I walk like a man and that I should never wear heals again if I was not going to learn how to walk like a woman. But I think that is about it for me. I am hoping T will do a good job.

The only thing I've noticed more has been my jaw line (y'know that type that's so intense it could cut glass sort of thing). Other than that and...maybe my collarbones, not much.

Alot actually,  I'm very hairy on my legs, arms, armpits and I have alittle hair trail under my navel, there is hair on my lip, My voice is not high really so I've been told, I have bigger sized hands and feet, My shoulders are broader and I tend to get asked if I work out alot especially when I wear tighter shirts, My veins pop out of my arms know and I guess women like them and find them attractive didn't know that, I gain muscle quick and woman aren't able to from what I was told it takes them longer, I don't have curves, My face is not that round, I have a lump in my throat, I've always been masculine even though my dad is around alot of it came natural.

my face is definietly not manly, i got teh chubbiest cheeks, and on T luckily they're toning down, but my jawline is hella square didn't know it was XD


but before T I 'd say my height and build were fairly masculine. I'm 5'10 ( and being on T i've gotten taller but not sure how much) also my shoulders are broad. my voice wasn't high pitched either and i didn't talk very girly. but other than that i'd say i was fairly female lookin.

I have thick eyebrows. My shoulders are kind of big. I am much stronger than you would expect of a woman my size and have always had decent upper body strength. I walk like a guy.

Hmm, let's see..

By most of my relatives I've often been told that I look a fair lot like my dad and former "big bro" (now living as female) in the face.. or just that I generally look more like my male relatives as far as my face is concerned. This helps me a lot to pass, especially if I frown a little. Oh, and speaking of which, mom used to always joke that seemingly my dad had very strong genes because most of my traits are from him - fingers, eyes, ankles etc. I was always happy about this, even before I knew that I was trans.
My voice is also neutral sounding to begin with (I'm pre-T) and I can easily sound male if I drop it very slightly. Also I have sort of big-ish/wide feet (EU size 40) and thick ankles (thanks dad lol) which makes it hard/painful to wear women's shoes because slightly higher boots won't fit my ankles and most shoes are too narrow and hurt my feet anyway. Not like I complain, this way back in the days mom couldn't really persuade me to wear women's shoes and I ended up with neutral looking shoes instead, win!

Oh, and most of my life my parents have mentioned how I walk like Donald Duck or a gorilla or something. Several times I got the "walk like a girl!" comment and I always refused because it felt so out of place and unnatural. Basically I've always been walking like a guy with my legs a bit apart. I have a male body language to begin with; sitting, standing and everything.

I guess there is more but my mind is drawing blanks.