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Introduction and Dr. Bart

Started by calicarly, April 12, 2014, 11:10:02 AM

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calicarly

Quote from: calicarly on April 14, 2014, 10:04:20 PM
I keep hearing a lot about Mr musgrove, what was his prices when u went with him Hun? And what did u have done?

I keep thinking I should at the least have a consultation with him, but I am having to save at as fast a pase as I can to get this done and I hear he can be a few grand more for maybe less procedures...


Thank you for the tip! I'm checking their site out now! Anyone have any idea of their price list? They also seem to do consultations via Skype, I may just have one like that!

Hi Caroline I tried to add you to friends list , I know you're going back to Dr. Bart for some extra work, that in itself says a lot about his job and how comfortable he made you!
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Thank you Alena!! Xx
Low dose HRT-2004
Full time and full dose HRT-2009
BA/Rhinoplasty-May 2013
FFS-Aug 2014
Body contouring-Jan 2015
GRS- Feb 2016
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Carol2000

Quote from: jebee on April 14, 2014, 12:49:20 PM
strange he showed me lots of them, was nice to have it done so close to home as well :)

That's good to hear. I had asked if I could see before and afters before booking the consultation and was told it would be no problem. My appointment was his last of the day at 5pm. I got there in plenty of time and was 30 minutes early. By 5.30pm the reception staff were starting to end their shift and one got her coat on and left. I asked what had happened to Mr Musgrove as it was now 30 minutes past my appointment and they didn't seem to know where he was as he hadn't contacted them.

He eventually turned up a few minutes before 6pm and had obviously had a bad day. He didn't even apologise for being an hour late. It wasn't so much the delay, it was not knowing if I was going to have to drive the 100 miles home without having seen him.

Anyway I was very pleasant to him but it was clear he wanted to get home. I asked about the before and afters but he said they weren't on his computer and suggested I ring his secretary the next day which I did. She then told me they were all on Mr Musgrove's computer so there was no reason he couldn't have shown them to me. When I asked if she could e-mail me a few, she said she couldn't because of Data Protection. But she offered to book an X-ray appointment for me, adding that I could see the photos then.
Mr Musgrove's quote was a lot more expensive than Dr Bart's which included improving a previous rhinoplasty with another surgeon which had left me with a small bump.

Needless to say, I decided to look elsewhere.

Caroline
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Carol2000

Quote from: calicarly on April 14, 2014, 10:04:20 PM
Hi Caroline I tried to add you to friends list , I know you're going back to Dr. Bart for some extra work, that in itself says a lot about his job and how comfortable he made you!
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Hi,

Nice to see you. You look beautiful and if I saw you in the street I would never know and would have no doubt you were cis gendered. There are plenty of very beautiful 6ft tall girls around these days, so being 6ft is not a problem.

I'll have to get back to you about my consultation wth Dr Bart because we're off out and my husband's just put his head round the door and asked if I'm coming or not.

Sorry, must dash, but I'll tell you later what happened and I'll gladly answer any questions you have.

Caroline
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Michelle33

Does anyone have any information on Dr. Bart's current pricing?
"A borderland is a vague and undetermined place created by the emotional residue of an unnatural boundary. It is in a constant state of transition.The prohibited and forbidden are its inhabitants. Los atravesados live here: the squint-eyed, the perverse, the queer, the troublesome, the mongrel, the mulato, the half-breed..." Gloria Anzaldua, Borderlands
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alena

Hi Michelle,

I'm not sure if he has a fixed price list as the amount and combination of work that each person requires does vary. You can send pictures to him for a proposal or arrange a consultation.

Alena x


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Michelle33

Alena,

Thanks so much for your response. I'm definitely gearing up to send him my photos and request an online consultation. Thanks again1 :)
"A borderland is a vague and undetermined place created by the emotional residue of an unnatural boundary. It is in a constant state of transition.The prohibited and forbidden are its inhabitants. Los atravesados live here: the squint-eyed, the perverse, the queer, the troublesome, the mongrel, the mulato, the half-breed..." Gloria Anzaldua, Borderlands
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calicarly

Quote from: Caroline2000 on April 15, 2014, 04:22:06 AM
Hi,

Nice to see you. You look beautiful and if I saw you in the street I would never know and would have no doubt you were cis gendered. There are plenty of very beautiful 6ft tall girls around these days, so being 6ft is not a problem.

I'll have to get back to you about my consultation wth Dr Bart because we're off out and my husband's just put his head round the door and asked if I'm coming or not.

Sorry, must dash, but I'll tell you later what happened and I'll gladly answer any questions you have.

Caroline
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Thanks Caroline! You're so sweet!

Lol about your husband waiting for you! My bf's very impatient when waiting for me, but when it comes to me waiting for him, he couldn't be more careless, and I still don't know how a man with a shaved head can require so much grooming!

What do you think made the most striking difference once you had FFS? Also, I know when you last went to see Dr Bart, he was in Ghent and now he's in Antwerp, how did you find navigating around in Belgium the first time? Is it easy enough? I'm not worried about that too much, but I can imagine not getting the accomodation and cabs, etc right , could become a nightmare, Although my bf would be coming with me, I asked him to check on flights to Brussels and they are very economic! So that's good. I still wonder wether I should give seeing mr. Musgrove a try for a consultation, but I don't think it would make any difference, I have read about your experiences with him, and to me, feeling comfortable and seeing someone who is charming and personable is important. I just don't feel good when people behave like they are doing you a favour when they are supossed to be extra nice to you if they want your business , you know what I mean? And then I also think, if he charges £150 for a consult then I'd rather put that towards expenses in Antwerp...

Carly x

Low dose HRT-2004
Full time and full dose HRT-2009
BA/Rhinoplasty-May 2013
FFS-Aug 2014
Body contouring-Jan 2015
GRS- Feb 2016
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calicarly

Quote from: Michelle33 on April 15, 2014, 11:09:06 AM
Does anyone have any information on Dr. Bart's current pricing?

Hi Michelle!

According to Caroline and Xandra , whom had theirs 2-3 years ago and a year ago  or so respectively, maybe Caroline can correct me, he charged slightly over 11 and a half grand € so we should probably be looking around low 12,000€  To be safe, Plus expenses (accomodation, flights, meals etc) it really does depend on how much work we need doing tho. Also, Caroline is going back for some extra work, I don't know how old you are Michelle but I believe they recommend a face lift after Ffs for ladies after certain age to see best results. It can really cost anywhere from 10 to 15 grand euros depending on how much work u need/ want. I'll post the price list as soon as I have a consultation with him.

Maybe some more ladies who have recently consulted with him can give us some info on that and for what procedures?...

Hugs
Carly x
Low dose HRT-2004
Full time and full dose HRT-2009
BA/Rhinoplasty-May 2013
FFS-Aug 2014
Body contouring-Jan 2015
GRS- Feb 2016
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Carol2000

Quote from: Michelle33 on April 15, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
Alena,

Thanks so much for your response. I'm definitely gearing up to send him my photos and request an online consultation. Thanks again1 :)
At the risk at stating the obvious, Dr Bart will need good quality photos which will be better taken by another person with a decent camera rather than a selfie. If has to be a selfie, then by all means look sideways to make sure you are in frame, but then look straight ahead before taking the picture.

I saw him on Saturday, and the first thing he does with existing patients is take a series of photos. Imagine you are sitting in the middle of a large clock face on the floor with Dr Bart at 12. He will take a full fontal shot of your face. Then you turn to between 10 and 11, shot taken, then to 9, shot taken.

You then turn to between 1 and 2, shot taken and then finally to 3 on the clock face, shot taken. It is also much better if the photos are taken without makeup because, as we all know, blusher can alter the shape of our faces. Also the shots need to be taken without any shadows on your face.

That way Dr Bart will have a much better chance of giving you a true assessment of what will be needed.

From my experience he will be reluctant to do something which he doesn't believe you need. When I went to him in 2011, I told him I wanted cheek implants. He said I didn't need them as my cheekbones were very good. Im glad I listened to him.

Caroline
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Carol2000

Quote from: calicarly on April 16, 2014, 03:56:54 AM
Hi Michelle!

According to Caroline and Xandra , whom had theirs 2-3 years ago and a year ago  or so respectively, maybe Caroline can correct me, he charged slightly over 11 and a half grand € so we should probably be looking around low 12,000€  To be safe, Plus expenses (accomodation, flights, meals etc) it really does depend on how much work we need doing tho. Also, Caroline is going back for some extra work, I don't know how old you are Michelle but I believe they recommend a face lift after Ffs for ladies after certain age to see best results. It can really cost anywhere from 10 to 15 grand euros depending on how much work u need/ want. I'll post the price list as soon as I have a consultation with him.

Maybe some more ladies who have recently consulted with him can give us some info on that and for what procedures?...

Hugs
Carly x

Hi Carly, Just to correct you on a couple of facts, I had mine done 2 years ago today on April 16, 2012. Xandra has only just joined us on this quest, and may decide to go with Dr Bart.

Here are the details of my costs, but please bear in mind that these were quoted in December 2011, for my operation on April 16, 2012

Rhinoplasty (rasp hump via forehead incision)               €500 *
Frontal bossing reduction, hairline lowering and
browlift (equalise the brows)                   €3.500
Liplift (resection of 9 mm)                     €800
Lip augmentation with periosteum roll from forehead      €400
Jaw side reduction and chin recontouring            €3.000
(leave the jaw angles, chin height reduction of 1 cm)

Special materials for this procedure
Endotines and titanium screws                   €400
Titanium screws and plates                     €150

Cost anesthesia                            €1.375

Hospital costs (including one overnight stay in the hospital)
Total cost material, hospital and anesthesia             €2.000

Total Cost Material
This proposal is valid for 6 months.
Total price (inclusive VAT)          €12.125
Reduced price                €10.900

*This was a special reduction because, as an afterthought I asked Dr Bart what he thought of my nose after a rhinoplasty I had had done by a UK surgeon in the 1980s. He agreed there was a noticeable bump, and offered to do it for a specially reduced price as I was having quite a lot done.

Dr Bart also offers a refund of part of the cost if you agree for your post-op photos to go on his website. I declined the offer because I value my privacy.

Caroline
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Carol2000

Quote from: calicarly on April 16, 2014, 03:56:54 AM

Maybe some more ladies who have recently consulted with him can give us some info on that and for what procedures?...


As you know, I saw Dr Bart on Saturday and he was looking as handsome as ever........................... sorry, back in the room!

Due to my advancing years following my FFS   :'( , I knew I was going to need a facelift, so that's what we were discussing on Saturday.

Here is his quote for me, however it's important to note that these figures will not necessarily be the same for everyone. Some of us need more work than others.


Facelift (MACS technique) and necklift €6.000
Upper eyelid surgery €1.000
Lower eyelid surgery + tarsal strip + canthopexy €1.200
Cost anesthesia  €1.200
Hospital costs (including one overnight stay in the hospital) €1.655
Total cost material, hospital and anesthesia (inclusive of VAT) €11.055
Reduced Price €9.500

Hope this helps.

In my opinion, I think Dr Bart's quotations are very good, certainly less than the UK surgeons, even when you add in flights and accommodation it's very competitive and the results arefantastic - you gals in Belgium get a real bargain.

Get it while you're young if you can because the healing time is often a lot longer for older trans women.

Incidentally, the Macslift cost has increased by €2.000 since 2011 because, as I understand it, the area is undermined more extensively to give a much better result.


Kisses
Caroline
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Michelle33

Thanks all of you! This is very informative. :) I am definitely taking notes on all of this.

Caroline: how did you like your results?

Carly: I am in my early 40s, but I seem to have good elasticity (I hope). I've taken great care of my skin (sunscreen, topicals, antioxidants) but I'm beginning to see the signs of aging nevertheless. My skin tone is a little more lax than it used to be. I wonder if Dr. Bart will address that. If so, I'd prefer to do any lifting in a separate procedure, just so that he (if I go with him; I'm also seriously considering DiMaggio) can focus solely on the bone work.

"A borderland is a vague and undetermined place created by the emotional residue of an unnatural boundary. It is in a constant state of transition.The prohibited and forbidden are its inhabitants. Los atravesados live here: the squint-eyed, the perverse, the queer, the troublesome, the mongrel, the mulato, the half-breed..." Gloria Anzaldua, Borderlands
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alena

Quote from: Caroline2000 on April 16, 2014, 06:44:00 AM
At the risk at stating the obvious, Dr Bart will need good quality photos which will be better taken by another person with a decent camera rather than a selfie. If has to be a selfie, then by all means look sideways to make sure you are in frame, but then look straight ahead before taking the picture.

I saw him on Saturday, and the first thing he does with existing patients is take a series of photos. Imagine you are sitting in the middle of a large clock face on the floor with Dr Bart at 12. He will take a full fontal shot of your face. Then you turn to between 10 and 11, shot taken, then to 9, shot taken.

You then turn to between 1 and 2, shot taken and then finally to 3 on the clock face, shot taken. It is also much better if the photos are taken without makeup because, as we all know, blusher can alter the shape of our faces. Also the shots need to be taken without any shadows on your face.

That way Dr Bart will have a much better chance of giving you a true assessment of what will be needed.

From my experience he will be reluctant to do something which he doesn't believe you need. When I went to him in 2011, I told him I wanted cheek implants. He said I didn't need them as my cheekbones were very good. Im glad I listened to him.

Caroline
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I agree with Caroline, a consultation in person is always best. When I was there he had a good look at my face and felt out the bones, fat, etc. before offering his advice. He also pointed out that my chin was very slightly non-symmetrical which is something I've never noticed, so he does have a good eye for things!


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calicarly

Quote from: Caroline2000 on April 16, 2014, 08:17:01 AM
Hi Carly, Just to correct you on a couple of facts, I had mine done 2 years ago today on April 16, 2012. Xandra has only just joined us on this quest, and may decide to go with Dr Bart.

Here are the details of my costs, but please bear in mind that these were quoted in December 2011, for my operation on April 16, 2012

Rhinoplasty (rasp hump via forehead incision)               €500 *
Frontal bossing reduction, hairline lowering and
browlift (equalise the brows)                   €3.500
Liplift (resection of 9 mm)                     €800
Lip augmentation with periosteum roll from forehead      €400
Jaw side reduction and chin recontouring            €3.000
(leave the jaw angles, chin height reduction of 1 cm)

Special materials for this procedure
Endotines and titanium screws                   €400
Titanium screws and plates                     €150

Cost anesthesia                            €1.375

Hospital costs (including one overnight stay in the hospital)
Total cost material, hospital and anesthesia             €2.000

Total Cost Material
This proposal is valid for 6 months.
Total price (inclusive VAT)          €12.125
Reduced price                €10.900

*This was a special reduction because, as an afterthought I asked Dr Bart what he thought of my nose after a rhinoplasty I had had done by a UK surgeon in the 1980s. He agreed there was a noticeable bump, and offered to do it for a specially reduced price as I was having quite a lot done.

Dr Bart also offers a refund of part of the cost if you agree for your post-op photos to go on his website. I declined the offer because I value my privacy.

Caroline
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Caroline, thanks for sharing all that info with us!

I myself considered an online consultation ladies but, I just think I really need to meet him in person so I know that I'm comfortable with him, and as Caroline says to get an accurate assessment of what needs doing, and i think it shows that I am serious about this too. Although if I was any further away from London or in a different country where he doesn't do consultations, then I would probably just have to do it online. Mind, with prices for flights as they are it would probably be cheaper for me to have the consultation in Belgium lol, but I think my bf and I will just make a little road trip out of this.

Low dose HRT-2004
Full time and full dose HRT-2009
BA/Rhinoplasty-May 2013
FFS-Aug 2014
Body contouring-Jan 2015
GRS- Feb 2016
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calicarly

Quote from: Michelle33 on April 16, 2014, 10:23:57 AM
Thanks all of you! This is very informative. :) I am definitely taking notes on all of this.

Caroline: how did you like your results?

Carly: I am in my early 40s, but I seem to have good elasticity (I hope). I've taken great care of my skin (sunscreen, topicals, antioxidants) but I'm beginning to see the signs of aging nevertheless. My skin tone is a little more lax than it used to be. I wonder if Dr. Bart will address that. If so, I'd prefer to do any lifting in a separate procedure, just so that he (if I go with him; I'm also seriously considering DiMaggio) can focus solely on the bone work.

Yes Michelle, sounds like you're at an age when it's uncertain wether you need it or not. It will all be down to what Dr. Bart thinks, if you are and have been a non-smoker all your life and have taken care of your skin you may not need it, or only down the line... I think that's what I would do too if I needed a lift, I would go back a year or 2 later like Caroline for that work, it just makes sense.

I gotta say ladies, I had a nightmare situation with a nose job I had beginning of last year, the Dr left a needle in me and I was left with an awful nose for 6 months before they could fix it, and even then, the damage is still visible somewhat. So I've had 3 surgeries to my nose! he also didn't do a great  boob job (it was a double procedure) so, hence me wanting so much info and to be as comfortable as possible with whomever does my ffs. Not scared of the operation, I'm scared of any complications or need for revisions, it sounds to me as if Dr Bart has a low incidence of having to do revisions, does anyone know his policies on revisions? Of course i will be asking when I see him anyway.

Hugs

Carly xx
Low dose HRT-2004
Full time and full dose HRT-2009
BA/Rhinoplasty-May 2013
FFS-Aug 2014
Body contouring-Jan 2015
GRS- Feb 2016
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Michelle33

Quote from: Caroline2000 on April 16, 2014, 08:17:01 AM
Hi Carly, Just to correct you on a couple of facts, I had mine done 2 years ago today on April 16, 2012. Xandra has only just joined us on this quest, and may decide to go with Dr Bart.

Here are the details of my costs, but please bear in mind that these were quoted in December 2011, for my operation on April 16, 2012

Rhinoplasty (rasp hump via forehead incision)               €500 *
Frontal bossing reduction, hairline lowering and
browlift (equalise the brows)                   €3.500
Liplift (resection of 9 mm)                     €800
Lip augmentation with periosteum roll from forehead      €400
Jaw side reduction and chin recontouring            €3.000
(leave the jaw angles, chin height reduction of 1 cm)

Special materials for this procedure
Endotines and titanium screws                   €400
Titanium screws and plates                     €150

Cost anesthesia                            €1.375

Hospital costs (including one overnight stay in the hospital)
Total cost material, hospital and anesthesia             €2.000

Total Cost Material
This proposal is valid for 6 months.
Total price (inclusive VAT)          €12.125
Reduced price                €10.900

*This was a special reduction because, as an afterthought I asked Dr Bart what he thought of my nose after a rhinoplasty I had had done by a UK surgeon in the 1980s. He agreed there was a noticeable bump, and offered to do it for a specially reduced price as I was having quite a lot done.

Dr Bart also offers a refund of part of the cost if you agree for your post-op photos to go on his website. I declined the offer because I value my privacy.

Caroline
x

Caroline,

What was the "jaw side reduction"? Was this a procedure to burr down the sides (lateral edge) of the jawline? I'm very interested in reducing my jaw height. But when reading up on procedures it seems most surgeons only talk about the rear mandibular angle and chin and say nothing about the jawline itself.
"A borderland is a vague and undetermined place created by the emotional residue of an unnatural boundary. It is in a constant state of transition.The prohibited and forbidden are its inhabitants. Los atravesados live here: the squint-eyed, the perverse, the queer, the troublesome, the mongrel, the mulato, the half-breed..." Gloria Anzaldua, Borderlands
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Carol2000

Quote from: Michelle33 on April 16, 2014, 10:23:57 AM
Caroline: how did you like your results?

Hi Michelle,

It's really strange, because once the bruising has faded and the swelling has subsided, you start to see a new you emerging. OK, so I admit I had a peek thanks to concealer which covered the bruising and had seen what the possible end results would be like. My bruising took over two months to completely disappear, and I was starting to feel a lot more confident.

With younger girls it can take just a couple of weeks or even days for the bruising to disappear.

It does keep on improving though. Dr Bart has kept a photo record of my progress and has taken photos every time I have seen him. So, on Saturday he took more photos and brought the front facial photo up on his computer alongside the one he took in February 2013.

I remember last February thinking it looked better than the one taken during the first post-op consultation in August 2012. This time Saturday's photo looked even better. So I was very pleased. It's not about looking stunning, especially for older trans women, but regaining femininity which had started to fade.

I had successfully lived without being read and was frightened that might change. The ffs has given me back a huge amount of confidence and I hold my head up high now. I've got fine naturally blonde hair and I used to cringe when the wind blew it around. I hadn't lost any hair, it was just that I was born with a higher hairline than I was happy with. Apparently nobody noticed this apart from me. I can be so vain!

So when Dr Bart lowered my hairline by 1cm it made all the difference. My husband and I were out and about one day and it was quite windy and he said: "I've noticed you don't seem to worry about your hair getting blown around any more." It's not the first time he has said this since my ffs but on that day I was in a particularly happy mood which made him notice it more.

Quote from: Michelle33 on April 17, 2014, 09:25:06 AM
Caroline,

What was the "jaw side reduction"? Was this a procedure to burr down the sides (lateral edge) of the jawline? I'm very interested in reducing my jaw height. But when reading up on procedures it seems most surgeons only talk about the rear mandibular angle and chin and say nothing about the jawline itself.

I think they mean the same thing.  If you stretch out your middle finger and thumb of your right hand and put your thumb on your right jawline about two inches from your ear and place your middle finger on your left jawline again about two inches from your ear, that's the area we're  talking about (hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong). I recall Dr Bart saying that it needed reducing as it was just a little noticeable. It's certainly much better now and looks much more feminine.

I am so very pleased with how look now. I'm lucky as I achieved a very feminine voice during my early transition and now I feel I now look feminine again, so all I need is to have a MacsLift and I will see the real benefit of the ffs surgery.

Love

Caroline
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Carol2000

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Quote from: calicarly on April 16, 2014, 03:45:28 AM
Thanks Caroline! You're so sweet!

Lol about your husband waiting for you! My bf's very impatient when waiting for me, but when it comes to me waiting for him, he couldn't be more careless, and I still don't know how a man with a shaved head can require so much grooming!

What do you think made the most striking difference once you had FFS? Also, I know when you last went to see Dr Bart, he was in Ghent and now he's in Antwerp, how did you find navigating around in Belgium the first time? Is it easy enough? I'm not worried about that too much, but I can imagine not getting the accommodation and cabs, etc right , could become a nightmare, Although my bf would be coming with me, I asked him to check on flights to Brussels and they are very economic! So that's good. I still wonder wether I should give seeing mr. Musgrove a try for a consultation, but I don't think it would make any difference, I have read about your experiences with him, and to me, feeling comfortable and seeing someone who is charming and personable is important. I just don't feel good when people behave like they are doing you a favour when they are supposed to be extra nice to you if they want your business , you know what I mean? And then I also think, if he charges £150 for a consult then I'd rather put that towards expenses in Antwerp...

Carly x


Just love the line about your boyfriend's shaved head. Hilarious.

It's difficult to say what made the most striking difference. Probably my lips are now my most noticeable feature. My hairline is my most naturally feminine feature, but I honestly can't say any one thing on its own is my most striking feature.

Regarding Belgium and Ghent. Going anywhere for the first time is a long learning curve. However, we found asking directions was simple as most Belgians speak very good English.

Getting to Ghent rail station was easy enough from Brussels. We were lucky that the first on the rank at Ghent station was a driver who was very accustomed to taking Bart's Ghent girls to the various accommodation listed on his website.

In fact, the taxi firm was recommended on his website. They knew where the clinic was and all spoke very good English. The taxi drivers also knew how to get to EMC2 hospital, but we didn't need to use them for that due to the fact that Dr Bart's delayed holiday flight home led to me having to have my pre-op consultation on the morning of the op.

Dr Bart then drove me and my husband to the hospital which was quite some distance away. On the way there he took a phone call during which I heard my name mentioned. I asked him what it was about and he said the hospital had rang to tell him I had not arrived there. He had to explain he was bringing me.

We arrived and minutes later he was all scrubbed up, masked and ready for action. It was a very weird experience but fun, too.

One of the nurses told me post-op. "We were very worried you weren't going to get here so we rang Dr Bart. He had forgotten to tell us he was bringing you. He's a very naughty man, " she said with a smile.

I imagine Antwerp will be be easy enough to get around. I'm probably going to use airbnb.com for finding suitable accommodation. Here's a link https://www.airbnb.co.uk/rooms/540831
I'm not recommending this apartment because I haven't been there, it's just an example of what's available.

Then just Google the route from the chosen apartment to the Piccard Hospital and find out which bus or tram will take you there, or catch a cab. Don't forget to keep a note of the Piccard Hospital's address because it is fairly new and some cabbies might not know it yet.

After the op I was worried about the reaction of work colleagues but there was no problem just lots of praise for how much better I looked. I didn't tell my children I was going abroad for surgery as I didn't want to worry them.

They live over 130 miles away from where we live so afterwards I told them what I had done over the phone and emailed them photos.

My daughter said she wouldn't have recognised me if I passed her in the street, whereas my son said I didn't look any different!! Go figure. Since then I have visited them several times with my husband, and my daughter is great, she has always talked to me about things as woman to woman, but now we seem even more closer. My son is really cool about it and we get on really well.
 
Incidentally, I just thought of this. The lovely couple who owned the accommodation we stayed at in Ghent were quite used to Dr Bart's girls. They had three apartments which were almost exclusively used by trans women.

Etienne, who was 20 years older than his wife Jeanna and in his 70s, was very active and spent the whole time we were there climbing ladders and drilling things).

His wife, Jeanna said Etienne found it a bit confusing when Dr Bart's patients sometimes arrived there dressed as a guy but insisted on being called by a female name. She said laughing: "He can't quite get his head around that one."

They were lovely and Etienne was very courteous with me. When we left he and Jeanna gave us gifts to remember the stay.

I was looking forward to seeing them both again.

Still, I'm looking forward to Antwerp, it shoudn't be a problem.

Lots of love

Caroline
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alena

Quote from: calicarly on April 17, 2014, 05:26:12 AM
Yes Michelle, sounds like you're at an age when it's uncertain wether you need it or not. It will all be down to what Dr. Bart thinks, if you are and have been a non-smoker all your life and have taken care of your skin you may not need it, or only down the line... I think that's what I would do too if I needed a lift, I would go back a year or 2 later like Caroline for that work, it just makes sense.

I gotta say ladies, I had a nightmare situation with a nose job I had beginning of last year, the Dr left a needle in me and I was left with an awful nose for 6 months before they could fix it, and even then, the damage is still visible somewhat. So I've had 3 surgeries to my nose! he also didn't do a great  boob job (it was a double procedure) so, hence me wanting so much info and to be as comfortable as possible with whomever does my ffs. Not scared of the operation, I'm scared of any complications or need for revisions, it sounds to me as if Dr Bart has a low incidence of having to do revisions, does anyone know his policies on revisions? Of course i will be asking when I see him anyway.

Hugs

Carly xx

That's shocking Carly and really negligent on that surgeons part! I'm happy everything turned out so well with you Caroline, it gives me more confidence in Dr Bart. Can't wait to get rid of this pesky Adam's apple!


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Kylie

Carly, you are sooo pretty!  Just thought you should know that.  Good luck with your surgery although you hardly need it!
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