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Are you excessively bubbly in your fem expression or the calm passive girl type?

Started by Evelyn K, April 06, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

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Evelyn K

Quote from: Jennygirl on April 08, 2014, 03:39:04 AM
I agree.

And also I could watch Princess Joules for hours. Love her.

Incidentally Joules is having SRS surgery Monday. Go Princess!

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katiej

I have to defend GiGi.  It's a bit.  She's playing it up.  I highly doubt she's that over the top in real life.  Her videos are well produced, she does product placements, and she has a zillion subscribers.  It's her full-time job, and she's being paid very well.


And I just discovered a new trans girl on YouTube.  Very inspirational

"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Evelyn K

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katiej

I was wondering that as well.  From what I can tell, she's 5+ years post transition, and she was in her early-mid 20's when she started transition.  So estrogen can still work wonders on people that age.  Also, she's Columbian with fair skin, so obviously of European descent (rather than native), so she has naturally soft features.  A lot of hispanic men have almost effeminate features...perhaps she was just blessed that way.  :)

Regardless of whether she's had any work done, she's definitely put in a lot of work on herself.  Her mannerisms and voice are spot on...exactly what I'm hoping for.

It's really cool that she's coming out of stealth and wanting to help the community.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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mandonlym

To me the girl that Katie linked seems the most natural. I don't know anything about Gigi but when I look at the video I see a lot of gay male socialization speech patterns, which I have too when I get excited about stuff. As I've mentioned here before, I've personally never "practiced" being a woman, though I have an acting background and around the time I was transitioning, I took acting classes and played women's roles. It was a lot more comfortable for me to "inhabit" female characters rather than focus on external mannerisms.

I used to be super-girly and now I kind of hate it. I gave this talk in November to give you a sense of the way I am. I'm usually less serious than this but it's sort of how I present myself these days, though I get girlier on dates. :)

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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: mandonlym on April 29, 2014, 05:08:43 AM
To me the girl that Katie linked seems the most natural. I don't know anything about Gigi but when I look at the video I see a lot of gay male socialization speech patterns, which I have too when I get excited about stuff. As I've mentioned here before, I've personally never "practiced" being a woman, though I have an acting background and around the time I was transitioning, I took acting classes and played women's roles. It was a lot more comfortable for me to "inhabit" female characters rather than focus on external mannerisms.

I used to be super-girly and now I kind of hate it. I gave this talk in November to give you a sense of the way I am. I'm usually less serious than this but it's sort of how I present myself these days, though I get girlier on dates. :)



Oh my god, this is so interesting this video! You are really an amazing person, like woww xD and btw you can totaally pull have tat look, you seem 100%  cis!
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mandonlym

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 29, 2014, 05:22:12 AM
Oh my god, this is so interesting this video! You are really an amazing person, like woww xD and btw you can totaally pull have tat look, you seem 100%  cis!

Thanks Abby. :) I've lost 15 pounds since that video so I'm a bit more dating-presentable these days but yeah, it's a nice feeling of comfort to be all granola trans!
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Carrie Liz

Yes, I have seen a lot of cis-women act like Gigi Gorgeous does. The thing is, they were mostly teenagers, and mostly in that phase of needing to assert their newfound femininity to the world. Yes, there are women who behave like this as adults too, (and I mostly find them obnoxious,) but it does become increasingly uncommon as distance from puberty progresses. I had a lot of female friends who were girls with a capital G around age 12-13, speaking like valley girls and going completely over-the-top with cutesy behavior, but then by the time they graduated college they abruptly mellowed out and got much more down-to-earth.

It can be tough for trans women. I often feel like I'm in a state of perpetual puberty, where I'm always lacking confidence in my femininity and thus need to prove it somehow by being more feminine. And I feel like that's basically what people who act like this are doing, trans or cis, regardless of age. They're trying to assert their femaleness to the world.

My roommate is also very over-the-top in terms of flaunting her femininity. She wears skirts everywhere (and criticizes me for wearing jeans too much,) is constantly talking to other people about how she's a girl, every single conversation I have with her eventually ends in some story about how "they just see another woman," she whines about having to wear a unisex uniform to work, is constantly going on about makeup, constantly walking around the house in nothing but a bra and panties (and I can tell she's doing it to say "look! I have boobs! I'm a woman!",) using way too many kissy noises and cutesy emoticons whenever she's chatting with her internet boyfriend, and frankly she does really annoy me with this. I personally feel like she's really overdoing it, and overcompensating, and it's like being in high school all over again where the girls would constantly make me roll my eyes because all they ever talked about was boys, makeup, and fashion, and I felt like the fun kids I was friends with weren't even in there anymore.

But at the same time, who am I to judge? My roommate is happy. She's constantly smiling, constantly having fun, and I can tell that every single time she gets to act feminine and be accepted as a woman she just smiles so brightly inside. Gigi is that way too. She's always happy in her videos, and always upbeat and bubbly. Where I know I come across as VERY reserved and calm and logical in my videos. And yet I'm always "meh" mood-wise, and always doubting myself, and always going into dysphoric freakouts because I'm worried that I'm somehow not "female enough." So as much as I hate the super-feminine expressions and feel like they're just an overcompensating act, who am I to judge? Who am I to tell someone else how to be happy, when they're already happy, while I'm often not? Just because my own personal values and what I view as "genuine femininity" differs from theirs, clearly it works for them, so I don't really feel like I have a right to say anything.

Yes, I do MUCH prefer the calm passive expression style. To me, it feels more honest and more real. That to me says "authentic femininity," someone who is comfortable in their femaleness and doesn't need to put on an act to prove it to other people. (The same way that I feel about men who are calm, and don't feel the need to constantly talk about sex and booze and fast cars and drunken escapades in Las Vegas to prove their masculinity.) But again, I feel wrong judging people who are happy with themselves.
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Teela Renee

RedNeck girls have all the fun 8)
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Fanni

There was a time I guess, that I badly wanted to be a bad b*tch, a valley girl, a dumb blonde, and I'd say OMG a lot. But then I got sick of it.
I usually try to be a little classy, but then again I wouldnt know because I've hardly ever talked to anyone as a girl yet, ever.

Now by myself, I think I'm mostly the aggressive gamer girl type too, like the user above me.

Look, I do not have a sugar daddy, everything I have I worked hard for if I wanted a sugar daddy, I could probably get one because I am what? Sickening you could never have a sugar daddy because you are.not.that.type. of girl  I built myself from the ground up
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@Diana

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@Diana

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katiej

Johnnyboy can be a bit crude, but she has a special place in my heart.  I always thought that passing for trans women was a relative term, meaning that they could only come relatively close to approximating female mannerisms, looks, voice, etc.  But the first time I saw one of her videos was the first time it occurred to me that trans girls really can be just like cis girls.  Her voice is low and raspy, but I know women like that.  Otherwise...no difference (mostly).  :)


Quote from: Carrie Liz on April 29, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
Yes, I have seen a lot of cis-women act like Gigi Gorgeous does. The thing is, they were mostly teenagers, and mostly in that phase of needing to assert their newfound femininity to the world. I had a lot of female friends who were girls with a capital G around age 12-13, speaking like valley girls and going completely over-the-top with cutesy behavior, but then by the time they graduated college they abruptly mellowed out and got much more down-to-earth.

But at the same time, who am I to judge? My roommate is happy. She's constantly smiling, constantly having fun, and I can tell that every single time she gets to act feminine and be accepted as a woman she just smiles so brightly inside. Gigi is that way too. She's always happy in her videos, and always upbeat and bubbly.

In her defense, GiGi is only 22.  So her schtick is well within normal ranges for women that age.  And as you said, she comes across as really happy and fun. A lot of trans women really don't seem fun.  We've had rough lives, and we're going through a difficult transition.  We're pretty serious as a group, and then just as we finally feel good about ourselves we disappear into stealth.  So I think it's good for people to see a high-profile (by YouTube standards) trans woman like GiGi.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Kylie

I would definitely be a very calm reserved type, although i would never say passive.  I feel as though I will be more outgoing in my female presentation, not because I will try harder, but because I will finally be comfortable in my own skin. 

My taste in clothes would probably be considered boring by most.  My style most resembles something like Kate Middleton minus the ridiculous hats.  I love, love, love her casual style with all of the riding boots, it is classy, simple and clean, and the dresses she wears are not busy, floral or cluttered.  My style does not scream girly, it politely mentions it in passing.
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katiej

"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Alainaluvsu

I'm not even going to try to comment about or compare myself to any of these girls that have been youtube'd on this thread. I'm me. I can be bubbly some days, other days I can be very matter of fact. It all depends on what's going on around me and my mood. A couple members on the board have met me in real life and they can attest to it, but IDK if they are active atm. My bubbly side is silly and playful, but my serious side is pretty complacent and down to earth.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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MadelineB

I am your standard everyday queer trans tomboy femme, except for the intensity: I radiate somewhere between a small thermonuclear detonation, and a quasar being eaten by a black hole. When I am bubbly, I can bubblify an entire room of stolid Stoics. When I am in tomboysaurus mode, the boys and bois run to catch up.
Being myself let me develop the confidence to stop shielding my radiation.

PS I know high femmes who are serious susans, and hard core butches who are effusive and bubbly. Emotional expressiveness and gender expression don't always fit the stereotypes.
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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BunnyBee

I am calm usually, sometimes a little bubbly, but def not excessively.   Depends on mood and context.  I just try to be myself, whatever that is in a given moment.
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