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Why can't I be supportive? What is wrong with Me?

Started by petitekiki, May 02, 2014, 12:47:41 PM

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petitekiki

My name is Katie. My husband of 3 1/2 years "came out" to me a year ago about his gender questioning, then quickly retracted it when I freaked out, and we have spent about 10 tense months ignoring it. About a month ago, I accidentally discovered his own profile on this site, and since then life has been miserable. I feel absolutely deceived, used, angry, hurt, sad, confused and basically a huge mess. He wants me to just accept this new version of him or not him (he claims to be questioning, but goes by his female identity here and has been feminizing himself in appearance for about five months) and be supportive. I'm not supposed to have any emotions or confusion, questions or fears; I'm just supposed to be patient while he figures things out. Now, I am a highly educated person, and I do not do well at all with ambiguity, so to have my life put on "hold" and to be put into his closet for an undetermined amount of time makes me...scared. My spouse doesn't want me to call him by his female name; he thinks I'm making fun of him. He doesn't want me to ask about his weight loss, longer hair, shaved legs, plucked eyebrows, manicures, etc. I am just supposed to go to therapy to learn how to deal with my anger and insecurity, and basically accept that either I am going to potentially live my life as a lesbian (I am not homophobic, but finding out that my spouse wants to be female is not anything I could have been prepared for), or live alone. I want neither. We don't have children, as I am unable to get pregnant, so that's probably a good thing. Everything I find for "support" for wives and SO's is all cheerleading THEIR transition, and completely ignores how much of a life change, upheaval, this is for the other side. I am completely alone in this; I can't tell friends or family, no on except my therapist. Every conversation with my spouse turns into an argument to which he/she blames me for all of our marital problems (I'm too judgmental, I'm too difficult, I'm too quick to anger, I push for answers, I drink too much, I am cold and inhibited, I am too impatient, I am unempathetic, etc), or says that she/he doesn't have answers so I need to leave it all alone. I am miserable! Why is it all great and right that now she/he gets to be at a birthday party (he feels free to explore his true self now), but I have to be at a funeral and deny my own happiness because my spouse is terrified I'm going to leave. I don't want to leave, but I also do not have any desire at all to be married to a woman. I don't have particularly concrete terms of masculinity or feminity, and in fact, I have always loved that my spouse isn't a meat-head "bro" but rather a sensitive romantic. I don't understand what is happening, and I feel like I have been lied to for the full seven years that we have been together. I vacillate from feeling like I can take it all in stride and cry behind closed doors, to breaking down unexpectedly at work, to being angry and wanting to just move into a hotel for a while, to feeling numb. I am just a huge, huge mess.

Sorry I come off as such a B****, but I am really struggling with how to just wake up tomorrow and the next day and the rest of my life (I'm not even 40), to a woman in my bed, or even the knowledge that if he doesn't actually take hormones and have surgery, so he looks like a man, he is a woman on the inside and we are living a lie. We already haven't had any sort of sexual relationship in almost a year, because he hates sex. He hates it, but then tells me that he is sexually turned on and attracted to me, which is just even more confusing. I don't really know how long I want to live my life married and celibate, either.

I know I'm just rambling, but I have no idea how to navigate any of this, and I feel like I am walking heel to toe on edge of a steep cliff, and maybe the best thing would be just to jump off. I know my spouse is going through a lot of struggle, too, and has been at least since puberty, but what I can't wrap my head around is why I'm not supposed to be upset that I've been used as a beard for all these years, and that I am just supposed to get over it and continue on status quo...but different.

When is this nightmare going to end? Is there any way to make this journey any better? I just want to crumble in a corner and cry.
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Dee Marshall

I don't have any answers for you. I'm on the other side of that chasm you're staring at your spouse over, but I have ears to listen and shoulders to cry on.

I saw that no one had responded yet and I didn't want you to think you were unheard.
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mrs izzy

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I feel strongly each of you should have your own therapist to help work on your own feeling.

Communication is key, everyone needs to be honest with how they feel. 

You did not sign up for all this but I think your spouse should see that you are at least trying. That its self demands respect.

You can not just change your sexual orientation out of the blue, your spouse has not changed hers but as we know GD makes us hate our bits.

You deserve to live happy. Your spouse deserves to live happy. If it can be together all the best. If not everyone needs to be adults and move on. It hurts now but hurts the same if you two keep lying to each other about love.

Wish you both the best, get help and maybe there is a together path that can be walked.

Izzy
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Ltl89

Petitekiki,

I read your entire post and have to say that I feel for you.  Let me say that you are certainly not a b**** for feeling this way.  In many ways, your entire world and expectations within it have been transformed by this.  So don't feel bad for feeling confused or any other emotions that you are going through.

Please don't feel alone.  There are some So's here that can talk with you and even some transgender people that you can confide in.  While it may seem like "cheerleading" many understand the conflict and hurt that you are feeling.  At the end of the day, none of us can offer you answers or closure on this subject.  That's going to have to come from both you and your spouse.  Together you will have to find what you want for the future and discover your comfort levels that will help you know what you can and cannot handle.  Those are questions you both need to come to terms with and there may need to be acceptance and or changes for you both to make. Only you both will be able to discover this through time and introspection. What I will say is that neither of you are bad people for how you feel.  It's just the situation that you face.  How you come out of this is really up to you guys, but I hope it's one that will allow you both happiness. 

Just know that whatever happens, you aren't a bad person for it.  Please feel free to open up and confide here if you feel alone.  No one will judge you for it and it's understandable as you didn't sign up for this.  I'm hoping it gets easier for you and that you'll find a peaceful solution that will enable both you and your partner to find happiness again.
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crowcrow223

You brought up an extremely valid and interesting point.

Yes, being trans hurts, we go through a lot of rubbish, we struggle everyday, BUT.. so does everyone else. to a bigger or lower extent. I don't think staying in unhealthy and toxic relationship in which you're unhappy is a good thing.

Ask yourself a question, do you want to stay with her AFTER she transitions? If you're unsure, go to therapy, are you still gonna be able to be happy, providing that you live with a woman? If not, then you know what to do.

At the end of the day you don't have to ruin your relationship, you can still stay close, but for her to transition and for you to be fully happy, sometimes thigns can't stay the same.
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petitekiki

This doesn't seem to be the place for support for me. Thank you.
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Crackpot

Petitekiki, my partner started transitioning last year. She's also MTF. I can totally sympathize with what you're going through. I don't know why you don't feel like this a supportive place for you, but I hope you find it some where. If you'd like to e-mail my directly, feel free. itsastoopidsong@gmail.com
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." Kurt Cobain
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Ltl89

I'm sorry that you don't feel this place can be a supportive outlet for you; however, I understand why you may feel this way.  I just wanted to say that I really hope you find the support you deserve elsewhere and can regain peace and happiness with your life, whatever that may take.  Good luck to both you and your partner.   
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helen2010

Quote from: petitekiki on May 02, 2014, 02:44:09 PM
This doesn't seem to be the place for support for me. Thank you.
petitekiki

This is such a difficult situation for both of you.  You have our sympathy and whatever support we can provide.  We know and have experienced much that you are now going through.   The emotion, the hurt, the surprise etc are all real.   There is nothing wrong with you.  Your response is not unusual or abnormal. 

Do not seek fault in yourself but rather seek your strength and love then move forward.  You need information, insight and honesty, but most importantly you need to be kind to yourself.  Your partner is dealing with a complete deluge of emotions and is still working the issues to understand and then to express themself.

The difficulty arising from this shock, turmoil and uncertainty is that relationship and trust are immediately under threat.  Only honest, open and timely communication will provide you with the opportunity to work out what is best for you as individuals and as a couple.

With time, love, support (individual and couple counselling) you will both be able to move forward.  Questions worth considering include:

If your partner decides not to fully transition, and express as gender queer or androgynous would/could this work?
If your partner reversed direction of their own volition having explored this issue would you understand or resent their journey?
If your partner denied themselves full or partial expression to keep you happy and the relationship safe is this something you or they could be happy with?

There are many, many other questions that only you, your partner and you both together can explore and answer.  The outcomes can be devastating, transformational or somewhere in between. 

Are you both up for this journey?  If you are then my hope is that you both find the support that you seek and need at Susans or indeed elsewhere.   Looking forward you could provide invaluable support and advice to those facing similar situations and choices.

Travel safe.

Aisla
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JoanneB

I Can assure you that your feelings are about spot on for many spouses. My wife was totally devastated when I dropped the T-Bomb on her a few years back. And she KNEW for 30 plus years about my cross-dressing and early experiments with transitioning before we met.

Betrayal, lying, abandonment. You bet! "I did not marry a woman", "I like men", "I love sex with men" I heard it all.

She is right. I kicked over the table. Changed the game. Totally upset that image of how we were going to grow old together knocking eachother out of our rocking chairs. Your feelings are valid. This is not what you signed on to.

After 6 years we are getting past that some. Don't Ask, Don't Tell is being replaced with more open and honest communication. Don't get me wrong, there was plenty before that. Though we both struggled along that knife's edge of TMI. The last thing either of wanted to do was hurt the other or stand in the way of their happiness. So some filtering was needed at that time. Now, less so.

My wife is my number one ally. Yet, to quote her, "I do not want to be a willing participant in my own demise". Not what I would call a cheerleader. She wants for me to be happy, to have joy in my life. She does not want to come home and find me hanging from a rafter in the garage.

She is such an ally because gradually over these past 5-6 years and ever so much more recently she is either seeing or I am getting a lot more emotionally healthier and a far better and supportive partner then ever before. I am becomming a for real person. One that she is falling in love with again, after needing to fall out of it before in order to protect herself from what might be happening.

Maintaining our relationship has taken a lot of hard work for us both and plenty of tears. So far it's been worth fighting for. I still have no clear idea of how my physical presentation will be in the future. I do know that my emotional presentation, my persona, is far healthier and happier as I work to make me one whole person rather then one half of an emotionally crippled one.
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Sayra

Hiya Petitekiki,

I'm sorry that you're not feeling that this is a place for you, but there are lots of different resources available.

I'm on the same side of the issue as you are. In saying that, I'm on the wife side, the side that married a man who is now wanting to be someone of a different place than where we started and where we (as of coming out), ended. I'm not saying that it's an ending such as the ending of the relationship, but the phase of the relationship as it was in our understanding and our solid place where we were two people who were one (in our minds). Our transitioning loved ones are dealing with a very large, personal issue that affects every aspect of who they are and how they stand in this world. Once they come out to us, WE are too. It's not something we ask for, and you have every right to feel how you feel! Keeping a secret that isn't yours that changes how the world will view you, is really painful and difficult. It's hard to be really PC about having to be someone you're not and never were to stay with someone who you thought you knew who is now different.

When my husband came out to me, I felt shell-shocked. My WHOLE world was up-ended in a single statement of "I have been crossdressing." It was a lance through my stomach and heart right into my brain and I almost shut down. I went into survival mode instantaneously and simply tried to find the most reassuring thing I could say and start with the silver lining. After that moment though, it certainly wasn't a happy place in my head.

The grieving process begins immediately since we instantly lose the understanding of who our husbands were and have to deal with a person who is different from who we were in love with a minute ago, but still wear the right face but are saying entirely different things than we expect them to. Once we're told who they want to be (sort of, since it seems to evolve), our brains start to go in all sorts of directions of the ultimate ending. For me, it was deciding: we have children, do I want to have them deal with the storm ahead? Do I want to be a lesbian, as I've never been attracted to females before? Can I live with my husband being a woman, not having the same sort of sex we've had for over 10 years, and how do I manage to do that? Ultimately, I looked at the end result of whether I could or could not cope with what was coming as a final decision on his part as to how far he was going to go. It took so many conversations to get to the point where we are now. I'll be really frank here, if he had told me he was going to transition all the way, I don't think that I would have been strong enough to do that. I'd have still been friends, but our relationship as we understood it prior to his coming out would have been it, the end. Your particular situation is different than mine, but in my mind, even without the children and he decided to transition fully, I don't know that I'd have been able to cope sufficiently to make the relationship last beyond friendship. It'd have been love still, but not the kind of love I think he'd have wanted from me.

You've been dealing with this an awfully long time on your own, have you got a support group/network that you've told about his transitioning? Are you able to share that with someone who knows you well enough that isn't a professional? Professional help is also very important here, I've been to a few other places and they're an invaluable resource for us SO's who are then facing depression due to the changes that arise. Knowing that you're not coping well, and that you would like some help is really important. Just because the changes are his, doesn't mean that they don't affect you, right? Sadly, we're sort of burdened with the whole lot unwillingly and are faced with so much derision when it's clear that it's not a choice you want to make to keep on. The many nights of crying don't really help, we just end up being sad that it's changed and that doesn't really fix it, does it? (Wish as we might that it did.) I found that once I discussed it with my husband that I needed someone who wasn't detached and objective from the situation to confide in, it filled him with abject fear, but I told him that it simply wasn't fair to me. I NEEDED someone who knew me to talk to about it, and I DESERVED to have the support. Once they start transitioning and going to groups and then being online, THEY get so very much support. They make new friends, new networks to find the appreciation and understanding that they need, but because they haven't told anyone else or aren't wanting to, WE are left in the dark, alone, facing the whole thing. It's terrifying, unfair and just downright isolating.

However, there are places that you can find support! It took me sometime to get it sorted out, but WOBSMATTERS was a good group to join, it's a site in the UK, but these issues are similar, and really, most of the issues surrounding this after they come out are relationship issues and those are universal. Half the time, when I'm super upset and crying my brains out, I dig deep into the issue and it ends up not having ANYTHING to do with his trans-issue, but usually an inherent personality thing.

Here's the final thing though, I know my husband isn't transitioning past hair removal. There will be no surgery, no hormones. For now. He's still intensely interested in having sex with me and being more intimate without the femme part being involved. That's the situation that I'm in. I know this isn't what you're facing. Given my standpoint, it's very different from how you're feeling, but I can empathize. If you need a chat, I'm available, and though I tend to ramble a lot, sometimes, I can make some sense.

I'd like to wish you and your husband good luck and love. I can't say for sure where you'll end up, but wherever it may be, I hope that you both find balance and happiness.

S.
S.
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petitekiki

The reason that I don't feel that this can be my "safe" place is because shortly after posting my first post, my husband commented on it as a dramatic show of how much he loves me. I, however, am blocked from her profile other than to pretty much "stalk" her. She is not being honest with me; she spends hours at a time here on Susans behind my back (sometimes with me sitting right next to me) and has even begun discussing what type of women's shoes to buy for her foot size, how to lose some more weight so that when HRT begins all the fat deposits in the right places. She lead me to believe that we would have open, honest communication about this topic, but she is talking openly and honestly with everyone except me. She lead me to believe the past week that we were going to be OK, that she would back off of here for a while to stop with the cheerleading section and wait to go to therapy. It's really convenient that her therapy session isn't for another month. I think she's actually rescheduled her appointment. She's even joined Meetup Groups and Facebook communities to have more "support."  I stupidly thought that I could make plans for the future (anything from tickets to a show to possibly moving), but I realized yesterday, as her computer was blowing up with private messages from her assorted trans community friends, that I have been fooling myself. I told her that we can't make plans for the future until she figures out who she is because I have no idea how I fit into that equation; her response was "I'm me." Oh, ok. I'm "me" too. Everyone is "me". Her other new philosophy on life is that it is pointless and narcissistic to plan for the future because life should be enjoyed moment to moment. I'm pretty sure thats the same rationalization a heroine addict uses. I attempted to explain that despite any problems we have had in our marriage, the "till death do us part" is a sort of assumption of perpetuity, so it is entirely normal to plan ahead as a married couple. Once again, I am supposed to be in a holding pattern, and then when she decides what she actually wants to do, I'm supposed to just head in that direction, no questions asked. I of course, am completely torn up because I look at this person and still see my husband, but I've gotta admit, I'm seeing more and more of Her there. More and more and more, and I am terrified. Not of her, but of the fact that I don't know or trust her or him. I guess I never ever actually have, and I don't think I ever actually will.
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helen2010

Petitekiki

You need to find the support you need wherever you can find it.  You are in a difficult position.  You are entitled to honesty from your partner.  Sometimes they won't be able to provide an answer and sometimes their answer will change as they change and their understanding changes.

To maintain trust you must have honesty and an authentic engagement with your partner.  You may not find the support you need at at Susans and I encourage you to seek it from multiple sources

Aisla
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Serenation

I'm quite certain I would feel the same way Petitekiki. You are probably right also about this being extra difficult to get help on the same support forum. I have no idea if SO's often use the same support forums or not.

I've seen the other side of the coin too, where someone just told their wife they are getting a divorce because they no longer have any interest in women. (and that was before even starting transition)

I don't think anyone has the right to judge you with whatever choices you make.
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