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Started by aeon456, August 26, 2007, 04:08:47 PM

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aeon456

Hi All

I'm a 41 year old female, straight and in a relationship

I think I have gender identity issues as a result of how society acts towards me, not intrinsic ones.

I feel some people are fine towards me yet others seem to act like i'm just not what they expected; I feel I seem to be lacking some level of femininity and it seems to alarm/repel/fascinate some types of people, to the extent that it does my head in!

People often seem to make rude coments behind my back along the lines of me being unattractive/weird/gay/a man/a freak - you name it but when I tell friends/bfs/parents they invariably say they never see or hear anything

My therapist says it's mainly paranoia but i just dont agree - I'm the one hearing this stuff and having to deal with it and I feel I've got no one to listen and understand what it's like for me.

I can't deal with the inconsistency of peoples' reactions towards me.  I don't like going out in public as I can guarantee ridicule off certain types of people.

Women seem to be concerned or disturbed by how I look, like they cant work me out and it never makes me feel at ease or that I'm one of them - they often make me feel like a different species!  I don't have female friends as I just dont relate to women really and have always got on better with certain types of men.  Typical macho type men seem to often loathe me though - I feel under threat from them and that they really dislike me.  If i'm wearing makeup they often seem to find me atractive from a distance but cloer up they are at great pains to say they don't liek me to their friends and that they made a 'mistake' - I can't work out why thee should be such a disparity between what they were expecting and how I actually look and am keen to find out what specifically it is.

I'm fed up of being targetted and singled out for just being me basically and feel that when I read about the experiences of some transgender and gay people I can identify with them.

I generally feel confused and that I'm fed up with trying to attain some unattainable standard of femininity and being constantly looked down on for even daring to try yet still looked down on if I don't bother - I cant win!  I feel society makes it impossible for me to fit in and feel at ease amongst people; I feel I'm often being tolerated and seen as some kind of joke not worthy of respect and feel I am a nice person and don't deserve this.

I apologise if I've offended anyone with anything I've said as I don't know all the rules of things and am aware that I may unintentonally say the wrong thing.

Vanessa
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RebeccaFog

Hi Vanessa,

   I don't think you said anything wrong.  I'm sorry to hear that you get treated badly.  It sure is a puzzle to me.  Usually we're treated badly for not following the 'rules'.  Strange that people pick on you when you make an effort to fit in.

   I have no idea of what it means to feel like a man.  Do you feel male in any way?  What kind of presentation (mode of dress or appearance) makes you feel best?

   I'm not trying to pry or anything.  I just want to get the ball rolling in letting you know that we will not mock you here and that you can feel safe conversing with us.  I would still advise you to get comfortable with the site first and see if there are any specific transgendered conditions that may click for you.

   Don't worry about feeling confused.  Almost every one of us has been confused and I'm sure that some still are.  I spent years confused and feeling that I don't fit in anywhere but didn't know why until the last year and a half.  You will come through this okay.

   I hope to see you around some.  Take care of your self.


Rebis  ---> identifying as androgyne.
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tinkerbell

Hello Vanessa and welcome to Susan's!

Thanks for your introduction. Please take a few moments to get familiar with all the boards of the site, review the site rules, and take advantage of our many resources such as the wiki, chat, and the links listed at the main page.  We look forward to your future posts and participation.  Enjoy your stay :)

tink :icon_chick:
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aeon456

Thanks Rebis and Tink 

I probably haven't been as honest as I should have been

I also have Asperger's Syndrome - a mild form of Autism which affects social interaction ie I'm not good at understanding non-verbal communication - body language, eye contact etc.  Social interaction stresses me out eg I find it hard to take in what a person is saying while having to make eye contact as well - there's too much 'input'. 

People generally make me feel very uneasy as I feel I'm 'Getting it wrong' all the time.  I feel scared of people a lot of the time to be honest as they can seem to take an instant dislike to me.  Many people seem to pick up on some difference in me very quickly and can't work out what it is so it makes them uneasy.  I possibly don't have natural/standard body language and look very uneasy.  Plus my expression can be what I'd call blank as I keep forgetting that you're meant to have an aimiable expression on your face - no expression isn't allowed and is often interpreted as negative or hostile.  it's like there's all these unspoken rules that I don't do automatically like everyone else and have to go through a manual each time and keep remembering - it's very hard.  Social interaction or just being in public feels like some ongoing test of how 'normal' I am all the time and that I'm getting low marks all the time - it doesn't do much for my self esteem.  One to one however with people and small groups I get on with I'm fine.

There is a theory that autism can be caused by an excess of testosterone in the mother's womb at a certain point in development that leads to an extreme form of the male brain ie a systemising, far less empathetic style of brain

I thought that perhaps if there had been this excess of testosterone, it might have made my features more masculine as well.  I think there are a significantly high proportion of women with AS who are gay - I wondered if this was due to either how the testosterone had affected their brain or was a myth and that these women were either asexual ie not interested in sex at all or just weren't interested in presenting a feminine image as they didnt' relate to feminine culture. 

I don't relate to a lot of feminine/female culture myself as it seems very false and empty, but I generally try and fit in and dress in a relatively low key way.  I am generally accepted by most people I think, but there's often a significant number of people who think I'm odd.  In many ways I really dislike the idea that there have to be two genders and wish there was just one.  I feel I want to be accepted by men more than women usually and envy men their friendships.  I don't want to be a man though as I like being a woman.  I think my expression of my femininity is much more toned down than for most females ie i am more of a mixture of male and female thoughts and ideas - I prefer to not be assessed on gender but on intelligence and knowledge. 

So I feel I am never sure if people are being funny towards me due to my AS or my gender expression or a mixture of both

I am a member of an AS Support site but people on there don't seem to have the same nature of problems as me - I seem to be a bit of an anomoly.

If I post a photo of myself could people give me some honest feedback?

I was wary of mentioning my AS as once I applied to join a feminist email group and you had to give the reasons you wanted to join and I talked about my AS and it looked liek they weren't going to sign me up ie there was a significant delay.  I sent an email asking if there was a reason why they hadn't accepted me onto the list and I then got signed up so I felt marginalised and that my AS had been the reason why they hadn't wanted me on the list.
(The list was boring as hell anyway so I don't know why I bothered lol)

It concerns me a lot that there will always be a subgroup of any group that will get marginalised for whatever reason, for not being a 'typical' representative of that group, even when the group are a supposedly oppressed minority themselves.

The mode of dress that makes me feel best depends on where I am.  At home I'm fine wearing casual trousers or tracksuit bottoms; I often don't bother to get dressed if I'm not going out and no one is coming round lol ie how I look doesn't matter - I'm just focusing on what I want to do ie reading or going online mainly - I am happiest when doing this stuff ie taking in information, not thinking about myself at all. 

If I go out the house it's like a total dilemma - in other words I feel I'm having to consruct some sort of pretend identity to try and be a) feminine and b) as low key as possible so as not to draw attention to myself c) feel good about myself

This causes all sorts of problems as a top I might want to wear might be too clinging ie show my chest outline too much and I will know this will attract unwanted attention and give the false impression of me wanting sexual attention from others, so I will think I cant wear that.  But if I put on say a shirt with a collar, I will feel too masculine and I dont want that either.  It's like a constant balancing act of not too masculine, not too feminine/sexual - as I don't feel I want to come across as sexual to others, only my bf.  I just want other people to either not notice me or to be nice and kind to me.

I cringe if I see women wearing tops that show their cleavage as I think 'How can you be so deliberately sexual??' they seem totally unselfconscious about it as well.

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buttercup

Hi aeon456,

Welcome, I'm sorta new as well and I understand how you feel.

buttercup  :)
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aeon456

Thanks buttercup  :)
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Jay

Welcome Vanessa, to Susans! ;D


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RebeccaFog

Wow Vanessa, you're certainly one big puzzle.  :)

Does your boyfriend know how you feel?




Rebis
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aeon456

Thanks Jaston and Hi   :)

Posted on: August 29, 2007, 02:11:22 AM
Hi Rebis

I haven't discussed things in any depth with him as I am very wary of undermining the relationship.

He's happy when I'm happy and I think he just gets exasperated when I let strangers upset me as he's told me his method for dealing with things like this ie to just see other people as ants ie totally unimportant (not saying ants are unimportant as all living beings are important in my opinon, but you get the gist), and he can't understand why I don't just follow his advice.

He doesn't understand that as a person with autism, I am like an open channel as far as other people are concerned ie I can't switch off and so I receive all the bad vibes etc all the time and can't block it out.  Even when a person is being horrible to anothr person I think I feel it worse than the person it is being directed at!  It's like being emotional blotting paper and extremely wearing.

I discussed things with my therapist yesterday and we had a discussion about the wearing of makeup and she said in her opinion a person is being more female by not wearing makeup, makeup being an artificial thing.  It's funny how not wearing makeup in public can make you feel less feminine though.  Are feminine and female two different things though?  For many people I think they get fused into the same concept but I think they are definitely not the same and I need to focus on the femaleness as separate from the femininity aspect.
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RebeccaFog

Hi Vanessa,

      I think that feminine and female can be viewed as being separate, but I'm not sure how.  If you don't like the make up, then don't wear it.  It seems like if you wear it because you believe you're supposed to, then it just cannot be any fun.


Peace,

Rebis
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