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Tried to go girl-mode, but crumbled.

Started by Debussy, May 08, 2014, 09:48:48 PM

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JamesG

Quote from: Debussy on May 09, 2014, 12:15:19 AM
so you think that when I get more comfortable with my own image in the mirror, that my anxiety around others will reduce?

It will all come together. You will get better at "acting" F, your body will look more F, and your confidence as an F will increase correspondingly.  But as others mentioned it takes a lot of time and effort and you have to be careful to pick where you try things out.

Discretion is the better part of valor.
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Joan

Hi there.  I definitely feel your disappointment, and I can only echo what others have said.

The first time I went out was 6 months ago, pre everything and just for a walk at night for 20 minutes or so.  It felt like my heart would explode.

Next a dinner in a private room...next time adding coffee somewhere after that as a next step...first trip out in daylight...

You take baby steps and make mistakes and regroup and rethink and get better at it and your confidence slowly grows.  You watch how women stand and how they take things in their hand and like a young girl you copy those around you and slowly you get socialised as a female through approbation and disapproval, and you slowly become more natural.

It's a slow and at times painful process but you get more confident and then the women kind of pours forth :)

I'm still taking two steps forward and one step back.  Don't beat yourself up about it (and I know so much that you want to because I do the same), but if you take baby steps then it will get slowly easier  :)

Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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Serenation

I think it's because when you dress more casually even if it's girls clothes you just feel safer. It's a safety net, if someone clocks you it's ok because you weren't trying 100%.

Just wear what you are comfortable wearing and go a bit further each time if thats what you want to wear, if you feel out of place you will look out of place, I've clocked my fellow trans sisters just because they are wearing clothes no cis girl would ever wear. I remember being at a hospital and everyones sick or sad and wearing casuals and in walks a girl looking like she's going to the horse races. That's not entirely her fault though as we are often under pressure to dress that way.

I think the first time I went all out was at comic con and after I'd walked past 5000 people to the back of the line in my heels and hotpants I was cured (cosplaying, which is fun)

Agree with what others have sad and take short trips until you feel comfortable. You feeling comfortable is the most important thing. What you see in the mirror is a personal thing, some always see the past, some see the now and some see the future.
I will touch a 100 flowers and not pick one.
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Lost in L

Reading over all this thread is really helpful. In the last month I've devalued myself horribly. I lost all confidence. I can never imagine even trying to go out female at all. Reading the responses here has been uplifting. It gives me hope that in everything in life, hope is always present. I just have to realize I have alot of physical and mental work to do! A song I constantly listen to gives a good mindset in this i think. Icona POP - I love it... I'm trying to get the attitude of the line: I don't care I love it! 
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JamesG

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Debussy

Thank you everyone for your responses- it definitely motivated me!!

I put on that same outfit today that I took off 2 days ago and went down to the grocery store and walked around town a little bit. I think the trick was that I didn't check the mirror that last time before I left- I just ran out the door.

I spent 2 hours out and about- I was so surprised that people didn't stare at me!

And what surprised me more, is that I used the womens restroom for the first time- TWICE! (although, I just ran in and ran out, didn't even wash my hands :( ew) When I got out my heart was RACING!

Also, this creepy guy who seemed really drunk said "You have really pretty hair."
I didn't even turn to look at him, I just said thank you and tried to pretend to be shopping.. Then he asked me "do you accept compliments on your hair?" I said "sometimes" and walked to the next isle over...

Anyways, just wanted to share my new experiences today that I couldn't have done with out you all!

Feeling good today :)
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Ms Grace

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Foxglove

Hi, Debussy!  (I'm actually a Chopin fan myself, but who would quarrel with "Golliwog's Cakewalk", right?)

I've been keeping an eye on this forum for some time, though I hadn't signed up because I'm not really into forums much.  But your post here interested me greatly, and I thought perhaps my own experience might be of interest to you.  If not, if you feel I have nothing relevant to say to you, then feel free to ignore my post and kindly accept my apologies in advance.

Here's my situation: I've been out full-time for a year and a half.  It was the day that Obama was re-elected that I shuffled off my dreaded masculine coil for good, and I've never looked back.

I've often said that I have to be the luckiest transperson in the history of ->-bleeped-<-.  I live in a very small town in Ireland, and I've never had the least bit of hassle.  With the exception of some of the schoolboys, but you have to expect that, and I simply have to try to avoid them.

But there' s not an adult in this town who's ever given me the least problem.  They've always been perfectly accepting of me—so much so that sometimes I feel a bit guilty looking at how hard so many of my brothers and sisters are struggling while I'm pretty much sailing through life now.  Sometimes I almost want to say to people, "Did you not get the memo?  Do you not know how awful you're supposed to be to me?  Would you please start treating me as badly as everybody else gets treated?"

I don't know what it is about this town.  I wish I did.  I'd bottle it and distribute it world-wide.

In a way I think I could be a very useful person to the international trans community.  I see myself as something of a laboratory rat, the subject of a grand experiment.  I'm demonstrating what life could be for transpeople if our enemies would just back off and leave us in peace.  We could be very happy if they'd simply allow us to be.

But to get to the point: you were talking about your face in the mirror.  One reason that things are easier on me is that make-up does wonders for me.  Without it, my face is much like anybody else's.  A bit of paint and it's a total transformation.  So obviously I never go anywhere without make-up.  It makes life a lot easier for me.

But you see, that didn't change the way I saw my face in the mirror without make-up.  I still saw what I had always seen throughout my life.  You get so used to seeing something, to interpreting what you're seeing, that it's hard to see it any other way.

My son still saw my old face.  He, too, was so used to seeing it one way, he still saw it that way no matter how much make-up I had on.

Yet consider this: one day, in a café, I ran into a woman that I knew.  We'd done a two-year computer course together and had become good friends, and so she knew me well.  But she walked right by me without recognizing me.  I hesitated over whether to go over and introduce myself.  It's risky coming out to somebody in public because you don't know how they'll react.

But I  finally decided to do it.  I went over and sat down opposite her and said, "Hi!  How are things these days?"  It was quite clear from her reaction that she hadn't a clue who I was.  So I was teasing her a bit: "You don't recognize me, do you?"

And when she admitted she didn't, I told her who I was.  She was thunderstruck.  Then she started studying me very closely, and all of a sudden there was a light in her eyes.  "Yeah!"

You see, when people know what to look for and when they know to look for it, then they can see it—which is why my friend could see it, my son could see it, I could see it.  But when they don't know to look for it, then they don't see it.

But here's another thing I wanted to tell you: I think the day may come when you no longer see it yourself.  You see, over the last few weeks, I've begun to get a bit confused.  I look in the mirror now and I'm not quite sure what I'm seeing.  It's still the same old face.  The only thing obviously feminine about it is my plucked eyebrows.  That's all that's changed.  And yet I look at it now and I kind of glimpse the possibility that it might be a feminine face.

I'm especially confused when I put my wig on, even without make-up.  (My own hair is a disaster.  As much as I'd like to let it grow, that's simply out of the question.)  I look, and I'm not at all sure what I'm seeing.  I've been asking myself, "Is it possible I could get out and get by without any make-up?"  It would make life easier. Then I tell myself, "Watch yourself now, girl!  Maybe getting a bit cocky, are we?  You could be running into disaster."

So what's changed?  This is what I can say from my experience, and I think a lot of people might agree with me on this.  Once you get out full-time, everything changes.  Your feelings, your perceptions undergo a total revolution.  You're being yourself.  You're not changing, you're allowing yourself to be yourself and that changes your world for you.

You know the saying, "Grab 'em by the ****, and their hearts and minds will follow."  In this instance it's more a case of, "Grab yourself by the heart and mind, and your eyes and mirror and lots of other things will follow."

When you're out, when you're living as you should be living, your feelings evolve.  When you live for so long in the male world, you develop a male image of yourself.  Let that male life go, and all sorts of things become different.  When I'm out in the world now, not consciously thinking about myself, I'm not entirely sure what I feel, but it certainly isn't masculine.  Which is why what I see in the mirror these days isn't entirely masculine.

Now you sound to me like you're suffering an extreme crisis of confidence.  If so, this I understand well.  In the months leading up to my coming-out, I was terrified.  I was telling myself, "You're crazy if you think people will let you get away with this!"  But I was desperate.  I was about to burst.  I finally had no choice.  So I did it.

But perhaps you shouldn't try to do too much too soon.  You could possibly get yourself in trouble if you did that.  Take it slowly.  Take it at your own pace.   Dip your toe in the water until you feel comfortable with it.

It was easy for me.  I dipped my toe in the water twice and I said, "The water's fine!"  So I splashed right in and I've never looked back.  But some people don't have some of my advantages (e.g., I'm 5'3"), and it's harder for them.  So just dip your toe for a while.  Then maybe you can get in up to your knees, your waist, etc.  Don't worry about it.  Don't feel guilty about it.  Do it as your own personal needs require.

You might note that I have yet to do laser/electrolysis or HRT, and as for SRS, I wonder if I'll ever get to that.  Whatever you do about your body, being out in the world, living as yourself, will work profound changes in your heart.  You'll no longer recognize yourself within or in your mirror.  And, Debussy, it is a beautiful feeling.  It will make you want to weep with joy.

Debussy, this is how I look at things: we all talk about being on a journey, and some people have set goals and a destination in sight.  For me, the journey itself is the destination.  No matter how far you've gone on your road, just being on the road is what makes all the difference.  Because once you're on the road, you're being yourself.  Because of my age, I may well not go as far as a lot of people, but just getting up the courage to get out on the road has given me peace.

Don't panic.  Don't worry.  Do things when you feel the time is right.  Do things when you're comfortable with them.  The tiniest step you take is a huge one, and it will make you love yourself.

Best wishes, my sister,
Foxglove
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Debussy

Hey foxglove! I guess I'm the girl with the flaxen hair :)

Thank you for the well thought out, first-post of yours!

It's very good to hear your experience- I haven't really gotten into any bad public situations yet except for someone calling me a ->-bleeped-<-got. I usually get stares, but I didn't get any the last time I went out. I think I'm just afraid of what might happen, as I haven't had very much experience with this.

People aren't recognizing me who just saw me 5 months ago, and when I used the male restroom last month people who look very shocked and close the door on me, only to reopen the door when they relooked at the sign on the door. I honestly don't know why I'm so afraid, because I'm pretty sure I pass when people don't take the time to examine me and find my facial hair.

Actually I do know why I'm afraid- it's because I have a HORRIBLE self image- maybe I got that from my mom who has been bolemic her entire life.

I'm moving next month, to a whole new state and I will be around a whole new community of people I've never met before. I'm going to try my best to get as close to a female presentation as possible- so hopefully going full time won't be such a huge jump...

Grab yourself by the heart and mind, and your eyes and mirror will follow! love it!

thank you
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Foxglove

Quote from: Debussy on May 12, 2014, 01:36:08 AM
I honestly don't know why I'm so afraid, because I'm pretty sure I pass when people don't take the time to examine me and find my facial hair.

Actually I do know why I'm afraid- it's because I have a HORRIBLE self image- maybe I got that from my mom who has been bolemic her entire life.

I think it would be a fairly rare transperson who doesn't have a horrible self-image.  Being trans in a cisworld will do that to you.  And it's for sure we all need to do some work on our self-image.  But I don't really like to suggest that that's the sole cause of our fear.  That's blaming the victim in a way.

It's very natural for us to feel fear.  When you're out and about, you're just one little person in a very big world that is quite often hostile to you.  I think you'd be a bit nuts not to feel some fear.

And it doesn't have just a whole lot to do with how well you pass.  Some people pass quite well, some don't.  Whatever, everybody feels a lot of fear at the beginning.

One of the first things I learned was from a T-girl who wasn't particularly passable.  Not passable, I say, but she passed as well as anybody I've ever seen.  She was a veteran of many wars, and she told me that the way to get by in this world is to walk through it with confidence, to walk through it as if you own it.  She then proceeded to demonstrate.  She gave me a lesson I've never forgotten.

One thing I've learned is the little mind game you have to play with yourself.  "I'm quaking with fear, I'm not the least bit afraid."  No matter how afraid you are, you pretend you're not and you walk through the world with confidence.  That's got me through many a little crisis.

It's a question of experience.  I still feel that fear often enough.  It's just that I've got better at dealing with it.

Don't blame yourself for being afraid.  It's perfectly normal, and like everybody else you'll learn to deal with it.  Not saying you shouldn't work on your self-image.  There isn't a soul on earth, trans or cis, who doesn't need to do that.  Just saying that it's not your fault if you're afraid.
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Lost in L

Omg foxglove your posts are very helpful, you shouldn't be staying away. I have so much fear, confidence, selfesteem, and now body image issues, that i think that I could never do anything let alone even to try and pass in front of just my friends that know( I got a lot of work any way...beard must die :( But even if you think you got it easy, help of any kind is usually wanted!
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Joanna Dark

Quote from: JamesG on May 08, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Probably your sense of self-preservation. Of your ego if nothing else.  While we are our own worst critics. If you couldn't even pass your own mirror check, you probably would have broken down in public.
Extending yourself/ female identity into a place where you have to socially interact, and ever worse are required to on a regular basis like class or work is probably not a good idea. If it goes badly, then what? 

Exactly. Are you on HRT? If you don't want to go there day in and day out, don't do it. Once you're going to dress as female in public, really, it's best to keep on doing it and not look back. Or not. Do you pass well? Because I hear people whisper. I can't really comment on not passing, nobody has ever said anything to my face. Though, I'm sure, I've been clocked before, though not so much anymore after 15 mnths of HRT.
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Foxglove

Hi, Lost!

There are different situations.  With your friends, you're not going to pass, as such, since they know who you are.  If they accept you, they accept you, which is what you want.

The test comes with people who don't know you--but that test is far easier than you think.  You have to remember: when you're walking down the street, nobody's going to be paying any attention to you.  People aren't constantly looking around, "Is that one trans?  Is that one trans?"

They've got their minds on their own business.  Which is where confidence comes in.  If you're walking along with confidence, nobody will pay any attention to you.  It's when you call attention to yourself, by acting nervously, e.g., that you might give yourself away.

As my friend and mentor said, "Passing is 20% appearance and 80% confidence."  And I think she was right about that.

One little incident I had: I was at a play one time.  At the intermission I had to pee so I dashed back to the ladies, and I was the first one in.  But by the time I came out of the stall, the place was packed, and I almost flew into a panic.  But I just reminded myself, "Be cool!  Be cool!"

And I was OK.  Even in the ladies, nobody's looking around to see if they have any T-girls among them.  So you just keep cool, go about your business like you own the place, and you'll be OK.  That's what I did, and I lived to tell the tale.

I'm always playing this little mind game.  Telling myself I'm not scared no matter how scared I am.  That's how I've got by.  And it does get easier with experience.  I'm hardly the most experienced at this point.  But I've learned from the veterans I've met.

A lot of beginners think they can't do it.  But they can.  If a little, pink-nosed bunny like me can do it, anybody can.
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Ducks

Great advice foxglove! 

I remember transition as the time when you are living the last of your double life, and it is hard being stuck between something you've never fully been and a lifetime of experience that you are transitioning from.  There are no rule books or magic pills to get us through it, so we have to believe in ourselves and keep our eyes on the goal. 

I feel that you will never be able to pass consistently if you doubt yourself as a woman.  It can be called confidence, but really it is self acceptance at the most basic level, and accepting your womanhood + your appearance will open the door for confidently passing as YOU, instead of as your fantasy self.  When you are you, everyone will only see you, even if they know where you came from. 

Who could expect more without being reincarnated in the right gender and body?


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Foxglove

Quote from: Ducks on May 12, 2014, 01:27:05 PM

I remember transition as the time when you are living the last of your double life, and it is hard being stuck between something you've never fully been and a lifetime of experience that you are transitioning from.  There are no rule books or magic pills to get us through it, so we have to believe in ourselves and keep our eyes on the goal. . .


Hi, Ducks!  I'd agree with everything you've said here.  I think it's important for each individual to try to assess her own situation, especially when she's new.  Different situations, places, etc., can be very different.  E.g., a drink in the pub might be relatively easy, shopping might be harder, and some kind of outing where you can anticipate a number of face-to-face encounters can be even harder.

It's important to know where you are and what you're ready for.  Take things at your own pace.  If you try to do too much and run into trouble, it won't help your confidence.  It can be a real setback.

As I said, things are relatively easy for me, and I'm fairly experienced now.  Even so, there are times and places I try to avoid.  E.g., if it's a time when there's likely to be some young lads out and about with some drink in them, then I avoid that situation.

You do need to be smart.  But it can be done.  I remember the days when I thought it would be impossible.  But it's not.  Sometimes it's the little things that show you how far you've come.  Just the other day, e.g., my doorbell rang and I knew it would be the man from the supermarket delivering my groceries.  Without even thinking about what I was doing, I went down to open the door, still wearing the dress I'd worn into town that morning.

It was only later I realized what I'd done.  Such a simple thing.  No big deal for me, no big deal for him.  He's seen me often enough.  And yet two years ago, I wouldn't have dreamed that such a small thing could even be a possibility.  You will amaze yourself.
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Ducks

By all means, stay safe! That said, I found it hard to avoid uncomfortable situations during RLE,  especially when I was concerned about what other people will think.  If I did things for my own benefit, I could see success whenever I got what I wanted from the experience, regardless of how others may have perceived me.  I try to learn from what I'm directly told, but totally ignore anything that my mind comes up with to explain someone's reaction or manner.  Eventually I learned that usually I was dead wrong about someone's motivations anyway, so no need making up stories in my head to make myself feel worse!

At first I was scared, more before I came out to my family than after, and for RLE, I cut all ties, moved hundreds of miles away, and started a whole new existence with no ties to my old name, family or life.  RLE was awesome, even when there was only time to think 'swim', after all, the alternative was 'sink'.

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Foxglove

Quote from: Ducks on May 12, 2014, 02:56:04 PM
I try to learn from what I'm directly told, but totally ignore anything that my mind comes up with to explain someone's reaction or manner.  Eventually I learned that usually I was dead wrong about someone's motivations anyway, so no need making up stories in my head to make myself feel worse!

This I can understand, too.  So many times I've wished I could read somebody's mind to know what they were thinking.  But you can't do it.  I had a little encounter a few days ago, and I came away from it really wishing I could know what was going on in the guy's mind.  But there's no point wasting brain cells on it.

Lots of times you'll misinterpret little things.  One time I was on the train and was going down the aisle towards the loo, when a man looked up at me.  Immediately my heart started pounding.  "Why is he looking at me?"  Then I realized he was only glancing up at me the way he would have glanced at anybody going down the aisle.  So I relaxed.

You can drive yourself crazy if you try to read too much into people's actions/reactions.
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Allyda

Quote from: Foxglove on May 12, 2014, 10:57:16 AM
Hi, Lost!

There are different situations.  With your friends, you're not going to pass, as such, since they know who you are.  If they accept you, they accept you, which is what you want.

The test comes with people who don't know you--but that test is far easier than you think.  You have to remember: when you're walking down the street, nobody's going to be paying any attention to you.  People aren't constantly looking around, "Is that one trans?  Is that one trans?"

They've got their minds on their own business.  Which is where confidence comes in.  If you're walking along with confidence, nobody will pay any attention to you.  It's when you call attention to yourself, by acting nervously, e.g., that you might give yourself away.

As my friend and mentor said, "Passing is 20% appearance and 80% confidence."  And I think she was right about that.

One little incident I had: I was at a play one time.  At the intermission I had to pee so I dashed back to the ladies, and I was the first one in.  But by the time I came out of the stall, the place was packed, and I almost flew into a panic.  But I just reminded myself, "Be cool!  Be cool!"

And I was OK.  Even in the ladies, nobody's looking around to see if they have any T-girls among them.  So you just keep cool, go about your business like you own the place, and you'll be OK.  That's what I did, and I lived to tell the tale.

I'm always playing this little mind game.  Telling myself I'm not scared no matter how scared I am.  That's how I've got by.  And it does get easier with experience.  I'm hardly the most experienced at this point.  But I've learned from the veterans I've met.

A lot of beginners think they can't do it.  But they can.  If a little, pink-nosed bunny like me can do it, anybody can.
This is the absolutely the best advice I've read for any new person to transition, RLE, or just going full time. Thanks Foxglove, you saved me a lot of typing, lol!!!

Best wishes :icon_bunch:

Ally :icon_flower:
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
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SRS Spring 2015



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Lost in L

Thanks foxglove, I got a lot of work ahead of me in the future. I'll definetly keep all that in mind. Think that I think will be the biggest fear is if I do it at work, where everyone knows me... I'm a nice helpful character to everyone. I just have to focus on getting the confidence first and that makes sense. I've never cared what people thought of me in the past, but that fear of job loss hurts that future too. Oh well I got a 100% to work on. :)  I want to also try and use that mentality on other things in my life! Thanks again!
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Foxglove

Quote from: Allyda on May 13, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
This is the absolutely the best advice I've read for any new person to transition, RLE, or just going full time. Thanks Foxglove, you saved me a lot of typing, lol!!!

Best wishes :icon_bunch:

Ally :icon_flower:


Thanks!  This is the advice that those in the know gave me when I was a beginner.  I put it into practice and it's always stood me in good stead.  Hopefully, it will help others.
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