Southern Voice
Posted by Kevin Naff, Washington Blade Editor

The news that U.S. Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct charges stemming from an investigation into sexual activity at a men's restroom in the Minneapolis airport will not come as a surprise to those like me who have heard the gay rumors about him for years.

I know I'm naive, but it struck me how little I know about this stuff when the cop started describing these elaborate signals people use.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12683.html

In Eugene, Oregon they were afraid of a trans person coming into the womans restroom and attacking them. I guess they should be afraid of politicians in suits instead. In the last few years there have been quite a few politicians getting arrested or quitting their jobs cause they have homosexual affairs. You know if you want to be part of the GLBT, then why don't they just relax the laws a bit and let us have the same rights. Maybe you won't get plastered in the news media and you won't have to quit your day job.
Sheila

My hopeful dream is that he will decide that it's time to change. Time to be out with who he is..  maybe HRC or some other group will go to him and say, "we can help you with this." Time to stop the habit of homophobia, internal and external. Life can be better for him.. time for courage, Sen. Craig.
Tara

I could make a crass comment about Republicans being against gay marriage because marital gay sex would be too boring for them.  Or I could make a comment about Log Cabin Republicans having to be into BSDM by definition.  (Any gay person would only join the Republicans in order to be abused.)  But we have Republicans who frequent this site, so I won't say any of that.

Lisbeth,
   The LGBT crosses all political parties they are exclusive to one. The same goes for homophobia and all the rest of the phobias that are prejudice in nature. This is not about politics, its about people who practice politics and do one thing and say another.
Sheila

That's why I said I wouldn't say any of those things.   

Quotes from his press interview:

"I did nothing wrong."
"I am not gay, I have never been gay."
"I overreacted when I decided to plead guilty to the misconduct charges."
"I plead guilty hoping that it would go away."

Slimy politician he is.  I hope they vote him out.  Why cant' he take responsibility for his own actions?  We put the might and power of the US into the hands of our elected representatives. If we can't trust what they say about a stupid sting operation, how in the world can we trust them with the power of our military?

It goes on and on and on and on and a significant portion of our populace still supports these geese lovers because they say they are strong on terror.  Yeah.  Right.

Cindi

I did nothing wrong."
"I am not gay, I have never been gay."
"I overreacted when I decided to plead guilty to the misconduct charges."
"I plead guilty hoping that it would go away."

He is a politician and should know how to speak to people and he is probably a lawyer too. I don't have that much education and if I wanted to lie about it, I certainly would not admit and plead guilty. He knew that it would hit the papers, he couldn't be that stupid. Anyway you look at it, he should be gone.
Sheila

Quote from: Cindi Jones on August 28, 2007, 03:56:48 PM"I am not gay, I have never been gay."

Actually, I suspect he's bisexual.  Many bisexual (non-TG) men (obviously not all of them) are the worst hypocrites.  They feel that because they are attracted to women too, they can use that for how they are publicly seen and then have some sort of homosexual affair in private.  Being anti-GLBT is only a cover-up to try and throw suspicion.  These are the same kind of men who end up being ->-bleeped-<--->-bleeped-<-s so they can still have the male genitals in the bedroom, but keep a public image of being straight.  It just makes me sick.

QuoteActually, I suspect he's bisexual.  Many bisexual (non-TG) men (obviously not all of them) are the worst hypocrites.  They feel that because they are attracted to women too, they can use that for how they are publicly seen and then have some sort of homosexual affair in private.  Being anti-GLBT is only a cover-up to try and throw suspicion.  These are the same kind of men who end up being ->-bleeped-<--->-bleeped-<-s so they can still have the male genitals in the bedroom, but keep a public image of being straight.  It just makes me sick.

Such a smart, smart girl!!!  Yes, it's very true, that str8 men have adopted the attitude recently, that having sex with another man doesn't make them gay, if:

They only receive the first thing and only give the second.
They don't support or engage in the "lifestyle."

Now, whether that makes them gay, or BI-sexual or str8 depends on who is doing the judging.

But I'd bet 80 to 90% of those guys in positions of power are all about this same identical behavior. Just keep it quiet and play along.

It's kind of like men that keep a mistress. It's OK as long as everything is kept quiet and nobody acknowledges it. It's also a lot like Catholic attitude toward abortion. Everyone's against it, but almost every catholic woman I've known has had one. But it's OK as long as you keep it quiet. This is kind of a southern attitude toward social faux pas. Ignore it and it will go away ~ Don't acknowledge it, and it never happened.

You know, the Republicans Party is the Republicans' worst enemy.  If they didn't prop up such a stringent and non accepting party platform, they wouldn't have such an impossible standard to meet.  How many Republicans have been ousted in the past few years for sexually related activities?

I believe that the personal life of a politician is no one's business, especially when it comes to their sexual activities. As long as it does not involve minors, I could really care less. But when they stand up and hold everyone to an impossible moral standard, there are bound to be conflicts.

They have literally painted themselves into a corner on this one.  Let them fall.

Cindi

Quote from: Sheila on August 28, 2007, 04:17:49 PM
He is a politician and should know how to speak to people and he is probably a lawyer too. I don't have that much education and if I wanted to lie about it, I certainly would not admit and plead guilty. He knew that it would hit the papers, he couldn't be that stupid. Anyway you look at it, he should be gone.
Sheila

I think the guy should be canned just for being stupid, regardless of what else may have occurred.  Like Dennis Miller said, "there should be 3 possible verdicts from the jury...Guilt, Innocent, and WTF?"

....Laurry

Its hypocrisy the problem here, not being gay, bisexual or not.
Though, I think having sex in a public restroom should be
arrestable whoever does it and if as a politician you
have poor enough judgement to do it, well you don't deserve to be elected
regardless of being gay, bi or straight.

QuoteThough, I think having sex in a public restroom should be
arrestable whoever does it

In the privacy of a stall?  Please tell me you are joking? Is that for all sexual conduct in public places?  Because if that is the case, and you have not indulged your naughty side, you have not lived! I don't know any dykes that haven't gotten it on in a woman's restroom at least once. And I'd bet that it is a biggie on the wish list for most men, so you str8 gals might want to rethink that puritan attitude.

Look, as far as I am concerned, this sting operation against sexual conduct is the last gasp of the conservative state and harkens back to Stonewall. Control, control, control.

The big deal for me is not that the senator got caught, because to me the whole situation is bogus. What IS a big deal to me, is that he is actively involved in a poltical party that castigates people that engage in that same behavior as something between less than human and spiritually diseased. And "those people" need to be cured and to have their rights denied, even though he is also MSM. This all goes back to honesty.

A guy like that hates queers and trans-folk because he cannot stand the fact that they live their lives honestly out in the public eye. That must just drive him crazy.

I prefer a nice room at a good hotel   That's my choice.

It is pretty funny that the laws enacted by the holier than thou gang are turning around and biting them right where it hurts.

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on August 28, 2007, 10:21:37 PM
It is pretty funny that the laws enacted by the holier than thou gang are turning around and biting them right where it hurts.

Perhaps that's their thang -- the risk turns them on, so they up the ante then bust a nut flouting the rules they themselves had a hand enacting!

And fear of imminent discover is a turn-on/sexual rush!

And they say we're the ones with paraphelias...

Karen

"And another one bites the dust, and another one bites the dust." John Lennon said " Iam sick to death of hearing things from uptight, shortsighted, narrow minded hypocrites. All I want is the truth." Are we ever going to get it? I am not going to hold my breath.

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 28, 2007, 12:07:23 PM
I could make a crass comment about Republicans being against gay marriage because marital gay sex would be too boring for them.  Or I could make a comment about Log Cabin Republicans having to be into BSDM by definition.  (Any gay person would only join the Republicans in order to be abused.)  But we have Republicans who frequent this site, so I won't say any of that.

Hey, hey....  as a member of the BDSM community, that IS a crass comment - who want Log Cabin Republicans?!? 

But seriously, this type of thing never surprises me.  The more righteous and controlling a person is about dictating the morals of society, the more likely they are to be hiding something or another it seems.

Jay Leno played a great video tonight with Sen. Craig talking about Pres. Clinton, back in the old 'Blue Dress' days, when Republicans were at the height of their "we're all so moral and family orientated" flag waving.

"SEN. CRAIG: Well, I don't know where the Senate's going to be on that issue of an up or down vote on impeachment, but I will tell you that the Senate certainly can bring about a censure resolution and it's a slap on the wrist. It's a, "Bad boy, Bill Clinton. You're a naughty boy." The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy, a naughty boy.

I'm going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy..."

Here's the link to the video if you wish to see it - it's just downright creepy!   
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/08/republican-sena.html

I think someone's been thinking way too much about 'nasty, naughty boys...' 

Scott

Quote from: Thundra on August 28, 2007, 05:37:00 PM
Yes, it's very true, that str8 men have adopted the attitude recently, that having sex with another man doesn't make them gay, if:

They only receive the first thing and only give the second.

Ok, I'm totally dense.  I have no idea what you mean by the first thing and the second.

Posted on: August 29, 2007, 09:34:47 AM

---

Quote from: Keira on August 28, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
Its hypocrisy the problem here, not being gay, bisexual or not.

It's larger than just that, because anyone who insists on "taking the moral high ground," automatically commits him/herself to so high a standard that in order to be human (s)he has to become a hypocrit.