It is definitely a positive change. And your expectations should be high, as you've spent your hard-earned money on this. But I can tell you that my forehead has shrunk more than where it was at two weeks. And I think part of my problem was the difference from what I've seen in the mirror my whole life. It's a bit jarring. I do trust what I see and hear, tho, and all I hear from strangers now is "ma'am" and "she" and "her" when they refer to me, even without makeup. I do so like that. 

Quote from: jgirl76 on May 31, 2014, 12:21:15 AM
Thank you, Aubrey. Likewise! Maybe my expectations are too high, I'm not sure. I will give it some time as you suggest but I doubt the profile will change much, but here's to hoping!

Here is an actual side-by-side comparison. While not perfect, I think the change is positive overall regardless of the residual sinus prominence: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1

Take care of you

Jgirl, your forehead actually looks MUCH better than your original post-op pics. Perhaps the side-by-side comparison helped. What does type II with Dr C entail exactly? Grinding down the brow bossing + bone cement?

Wow the change is incredible! Amazing result! Seriously, don't be harsh on yourself, you've got a beautiful, feminine profile.

Aubrey, I see what You meane when you say your jaw is too wide, I don't think it's the bone itself, it might be the swelling, muscle and skin overhanging, because now you have excess skin, plus at the end of the day, they can't shave much of your jaw, your teeth are in there... I had my jaw done with Chettawut, and he's known to be one of the most aggressive ones when it comes to jaw, and I can see he did shave a LOT, but because of my skin/swelling there, the result, looking straight ahead, is not different from how I looked before. Maybe facelift would fix that?

Yep Jgirl ...  i think you look much better now seriosly ... 

I wish i had a result like that ... and i agree.. 2 weeks its not enoght time for the final results

Crowcrow, there's a little bit of extra skin, but mine seems pretty elastic, and snaps back quickly if pulled. I still have some mild soreness when I press on my jaw/chin area, so I assume I'm still swollen. I'm gonna wait a year and see what the final result is. If I need more aggressive work or a facelift, I'll probably pursue it then. I just want to make sure all swelling has completely gone down and I'm fully healed before I start looking at more work.

Quote from: Roni on May 31, 2014, 05:48:22 AM
Jgirl, your forehead actually looks MUCH better than your original post-op pics. Perhaps the side-by-side comparison helped. What does type II with Dr C entail exactly? Grinding down the brow bossing + bone cement?

Dr. Cardenas says he did not use bone cement, just grinding... but I wonder. I'm not sure then if that is type II or type I, I would ask him.  I definitely think there is a large improvement, I don't deny that, but there is still some overhang of the frontal sinus... which you don't see in type III procedure. Is it a good result? Yes it is, but is it a "10"  No, in my mind a "10"  means no frontal sinus overhang    While this is a good result I think type III would have yielded a superior result.

you look fabulous Jgirl

wish my results will be as fabulous as yours

Quote from: shedevilcanada on May 31, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
you look fabulous Jgirl

wish my results will be as fabulous as yours

Thank you! Wishing you a speedy recovery and I hope for you that your results are good with the surgeon you chose.

Hmm... Maybe there's a reason surgeons avoid type 3 forehead contouring? At the end of the day, your health is the most important thing.

Keep us posted with what dr Cardenas answers Good luck

I'm sorry to hear things didn't turn out how you planned. For what it's worth, quite a few of my genetic female friends have the frontal sinus overhang like you do currently. Sadly, in my lifetime, I'll not be able to afford FFS(and am beyond hesitant to do a "go fund me" campaign like some do.) but it's wonderful to see these results and other women being pleased with their results.

For what it's worth you look amazing to me jgirl

If he didn't apply bone cement, then it is in fact "Type 1". Exactly the same procedure I had with Dr. Mayer in LA. Initially I was also kind of worried it would not be enough. Post op I gradually became more concerned about my nose, which I had him fix for me about a month and a half ago. Now I couldn't be happier.

I've also noticed a lot of natal women have frontal sinus that is farther out than the bridge of the nose... Actually a lot of extremely attractive females do. Just like yourself

Give it some time, maybe you will warm up to the results as I did. It is obviously already a huge improvement- he did seem to take off quite a lot!

Also, I've talked with Tristan a lot over IM; a while ago she told me she had the Type I shave as well with Dr. C.

Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2014, 04:30:52 AM
For what it's worth you look amazing to me jgirl

If he didn't apply bone cement, then it is in fact "Type 1". Exactly the same procedure I had with Dr. Mayer in LA. Initially I was also kind of worried it would not be enough. Post op I gradually became more concerned about my nose, which I had him fix for me about a month and a half ago. Now I couldn't be happier.

I've also noticed a lot of natal women have frontal sinus that is farther out than the bridge of the nose... Actually a lot of extremely attractive females do. Just like yourself

Give it some time, maybe you will warm up to the results as I did. It is obviously already a huge improvement- he did seem to take off quite a lot!

Also, I've talked with Tristan a lot over IM; a while ago she told me she had the Type I shave as well with Dr. C.

Yup, orbital rim grinding/shaving is usually considered Type I (at least by European surgeons), which I consider to do as well some time in the future (after I have gotten my nose fixed). And indeed quite a lot of women have their sinuses overhanging bridge of the nose - if You would google celebrity profiles, or simply female profiles, You will see that it is fairly common and nobody seems to be concerned about that small facial feature - and I mean, there are many celebrities, who could afford that being fixed without even charging their banking account.

And jgirl - You ARE looking great .

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on June 01, 2014, 04:50:01 AM
if You would google celebrity profiles, or simply female profiles, You will see that it is fairly common

My thoughts exactly.

Google image search for "female facial profile"

First result


Also take note of the jaw, very angular

Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2014, 04:30:52 AM
For what it's worth you look amazing to me jgirl

If he didn't apply bone cement, then it is in fact "Type 1". Exactly the same procedure I had with Dr. Mayer in LA. Initially I was also kind of worried it would not be enough. Post op I gradually became more concerned about my nose, which I had him fix for me about a month and a half ago. Now I couldn't be happier.

I've also noticed a lot of natal women have frontal sinus that is farther out than the bridge of the nose... Actually a lot of extremely attractive females do. Just like yourself

Give it some time, maybe you will warm up to the results as I did. It is obviously already a huge improvement- he did seem to take off quite a lot!

Also, I've talked with Tristan a lot over IM; a while ago she told me she had the Type I shave as well with Dr. C.

Jenny's right. I was looking at a lot of my female cis-friends' foreheads today, and also a lot of the female customers I interacted with at work. Plenty of them had their frontal sinuses hanging over their noses.

I think our issue, Jgirl, is that we simply find flatter foreheads more appealing and "beautiful'." I myself want a completely flat sinus area because a lot of the women I find pretty and aspire to look like have foreheads only the type III procedure can effectively create.

Hi jgirl76,

I can totally relate to what you are going through. I had FFS a couple years ago and I'm not satisfied with the result. An improvement was made BUT the ending result was not what I expected which was to pass in public but more importantly, be happy with what I see in the mirror.

For what it's worth, I believe your facial features are stunning! However, it doesn't matter what I believe. Ultimately, what matters is what you believe.

If you do decide to have a 2nd round of FFS, I wish you the best of luck. It is on my to-do list.

Quote from: Roni on June 01, 2014, 06:46:19 AM
Jenny's right. I was looking at a lot of my female cis-friends' foreheads today, and also a lot of the female customers I interacted with at work. Plenty of them had their frontal sinuses hanging over their noses.

I think our issue, Jgirl, is that we simply find flatter foreheads more appealing and "beautiful'." I myself want a completely flat sinus area because a lot of the women I find pretty and aspire to look like have foreheads only the type III procedure can effectively create.

Exactly Roni! We're on the same page. Foreheads without frontal sinus overhang are generally more attractive and feminine. Setting the sinus back really opens up the eyes and that really helps to offset masculinity in a trans face in my opinion. Go for it!

Quote from: JenJen2011 on June 01, 2014, 08:07:21 AM
Hi jgirl76,

I can totally relate to what you are going through. I had FFS a couple years ago and I'm not satisfied with the result. An improvement was made BUT the ending result was not what I expected which was to pass in public but more importantly, be happy with what I see in the mirror.

For what it's worth, I believe your facial features are stunning! However, it doesn't matter what I believe. Ultimately, what matters is what you believe.

If you do decide to have a 2nd round of FFS, I wish you the best of luck. It is on my to-do list.

Good luck to you on that! I too will likely be re-doing my FFS at some point...  A revision to primary FFS is not exactly uncommon. All the best!

Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2014, 04:54:46 AM
My thoughts exactly.

Google image search for "female facial profile"

First result


Also take note of the jaw, very angular

I know this is splitting hairs, but she has less overhang than I do. Her forehead is mostly set behind her eyes. See how open her eyes look and how the contour from nose to forehead is almost completely smooth? I get where you're going with this picture, but it's not exactly the same hehe  

So this is my LAST POST on this thread - 

Type I and II can be good for reducing brow bossing but ONLY TYPE III can set the frontal sinus back. If your frontal sinus overhangs your nose and you want that GONE and you are going to Cardenas, then insist on type III if you want that removed, otherwise your sinus may still overhang the bridge of your nose and you "might" be faced with the prospect of having to do another procedure. Good luck ladies! XOXOXO