Quote from: Roni on June 07, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
Hi TearDrops

I was wondering if you had any pre-op and post-op result pics that you could PM me? I am getting increasingly worried that I may have picked the wrong surgeon for my FFS. I am scheduled with Dr Cardenas in exactly two weeks. It's fine if you don't give out your pics.

I'm sorry Roni I cant. I'm still living in male mode until I'm a little bit further down the line with transitioning. I have to stay incognito as I used to be well known locally, as an amateur and professional sports person. When the time is right, the male me will suddenly disappear forever, and hopefully no one will ever know who this new person is [except for my family]. Either that or I will have to move from my beautiful home and this beautiful area, to somewhere else.

Okay teardrops I am getting very suspicious of your claims now.
First you are very early in transition and in male mode?
And you went for ffs? Not sure if I should dismiss or not.
My face has changed so so much after 18 months of transition
Level hormones that I can see the girl actually trying to break out.
Thing is though its pretty much common knowlwdge to let the hrt
Do as much to your face before you do ffs. Coz you might nor even look
Good after in the end. And all I heard so far was an excuse to NOT post a before
After. Transition is funny there is no correct way but many ways to do it wrong

For Natasha and TearDrops - My take on TearDrops feedback - There are trans women in male mode who get FFS before hormones and being full-time. Most people agree that FFS before hormones and living fulltime is putting the cart before the horse, but some people do this... It's not entirely unheard of. At any rate, let's keep it cool so we can keep this thread open and the discussion going.

Cheers,
Jonnie

Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 08, 2014, 06:07:20 AM
I truly see an amazing difference in the way you look but I fully respect and understand your concerns.

Hmm... Why did it disappear though... Is it personal? Is it surgeon's fault? I know patients who have had their lips enhanced with fat and the results have been amazing. Weird... I'm worried now. I need to be a lot smarter with my money now, as I've lost a lot on Chet already.

Thank you for the compliment! I don't disagree with you, Dr. Cardenas has made some beautiful changes to my face, but there are some things I'm not satisfied with that will require a revision. In all HONESTY though revisions are not UNHEARD of with FFS, it is actually somewhat commonplace - It doesn't necessarily mean the surgeon did a "bad" job. Cardenas did a good job on me, but there are some things that could be better.

I don't know why the fat injected to my lips has disappeared, I guess everyone is different? I personally would not do it again unless he wants to throw it in as a freebie as part of a lip lift procedure   So far, all of my dealings with Dr. Cardenas before and after surgery have been wonderful and I'm looking forward to meeting with him again to review and further discuss next steps for my face. I will choose him for the revision work if I feel confident in his ability to do it and I feel that he "wants" to work on me again. If he is resistant or I feel a lack of confidence then I will look elsewhere, BUT I'm hoping he will still be the one I can trust. I really do like him and his team.

Jonnie

Quote from: xNatasha on June 08, 2014, 12:41:55 PM
Okay teardrops I am getting very suspicious of your claims now.
First you are very early in transition and in male mode?
And you went for ffs? Not sure if I should dismiss or not.
My face has changed so so much after 18 months of transition
Level hormones that I can see the girl actually trying to break out.
Thing is though its pretty much common knowlwdge to let the hrt
Do as much to your face before you do ffs. Coz you might nor even look
Good after in the end. And all I heard so far was an excuse to NOT post a before
After. Transition is funny there is no correct way but many ways to do it wrong

I do not understand what there is to be suspicious about. Every one has the choice which way they want to make their journey. I have now been on hormones for two and a half months, I was undecided about when to start taking hormones, because of the dangers they pose to your health, so I have put them on hold for a long time. In the meantime I have grown my hair [head], I have had all the hair removed from my face and body with laser and electrolysis, and had FFS, in an effort to look as feminine as possible, before making my decision on, if and when I would start taking hormones. No amount of hormones would have changed my nose, chin or forehead. My face has great possibilities if I could get the right surgeon. After reading, and taking in what everyone else has been saying about the hormones and what they can do, I decided to start on them. Now I realise I probably would have been much better off financially, if I started the hormones a long time ago, as my face is changing a lot, even after just two and half months, and the hair would have been much easier and quicker to get rid of permanently. Now, in hindsight I would have done it the other way round, but also, in hindsight, I wouldn't of had my FFS with Dr Cardenas. I have made mistakes, but like I said its everyone's own private and personal journey. I know for absolute certain that I am doing the right thing in keeping what's going on with me, private, confidential, and to myself. Up to now I have managed to excuse, to all the people that know me, and who matter, every action that I have taken, with imaginative, believable, and very convincing reasons as to why I have done what I've done. Soon I will have to come clean or just disappear, as I am fast becoming more feminine looking, in every way. However, Ive always known that my nose, chin and forehead will not be affected by any amount of hormones, so there is urgency in me getting information for the right surgeon this time, as I do not want to make another mistake. That is why I joined this website forum in the first place, to get information. Now that I have had some experience with FFS myself, I am sharing that experience on this site, so as to help people make informed decisions for them selves. I hope this message helps ease your "suspicious mind" ............Now I want to listen to Elvis!!

Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 08, 2014, 04:21:51 AM
Thanks Jgirl for all the infos, it's a true blessing to have You here, Thank You!

How big was your lip enhancement? Did he inject a lot of fat in your lips? I was thinking of getting my lip enhanced with my own fat, hoping to get a very, very big lips, I just want my lips to look hmm.. just very, very full. It's what I like. How much fat have you had injected? Did it all just disappear?

One suggestion I might add, if you're thinking of a liplift, I've had teosyal global injected in my lips in Jan 2012, this type of substance was supposed to vanish overtime, during the course of 2 years, yet, 2,5 years later, my lips are definitely bigger than before the surgery. and the way the surgeon injected this substance was in order to make my upper lip higher, and it definitely is. Just a food for thought as having teosyal injected is cheaper than getting a liplift.

I was thinking of getting a liplift but after seeing before and after pics, the result is so minimal, the price is so high, I remain unconvinced.

How do you feel about your nosejob done by Cardenas' wife? My biggest concern is my tip, especially when I smile, it just gets twice the size it s when I don't smile :/ Can't look at myself.

Thank You!

you should look into VY advancement for lips instead of lip lift

Quote from: TearDrops on June 08, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
I do not understand what there is to be suspicious about. Every one has the choice which way they want to make their journey. I have now been on hormones for two and a half months, I was undecided about when to start taking hormones, because of the dangers they pose to your health, so I have put them on hold for a long time. In the meantime I have grown my hair [head], I have had all the hair removed from my face and body with laser and electrolysis, and had FFS, in an effort to look as feminine as possible, before making my decision on, if and when I would start taking hormones. No amount of hormones would have changed my nose, chin or forehead. My face has great possibilities if I could get the right surgeon. After reading, and taking in what everyone else has been saying about the hormones and what they can do, I decided to start on them. Now I realise I probably would have been much better off financially, if I started the hormones a long time ago, as my face is changing a lot, even after just two and half months, and the hair would have been much easier and quicker to get rid of permanently. Now, in hindsight I would have done it the other way round, but also, in hindsight, I wouldn't of had my FFS with Dr Cardenas. I have made mistakes, but like I said its everyone's own private and personal journey. I know for absolute certain that I am doing the right thing in keeping what's going on with me, private, confidential, and to myself. Up to now I have managed to excuse, to all the people that know me, and who matter, every action that I have taken, with imaginative, believable, and very convincing reasons as to why I have done what I've done. Soon I will have to come clean or just disappear, as I am fast becoming more feminine looking, in every way. However, Ive always known that my nose, chin and forehead will not be affected by any amount of hormones, so there is urgency in me getting information for the right surgeon this time, as I do not want to make another mistake. That is why I joined this website forum in the first place, to get information. Now that I have had some experience with FFS myself, I am sharing that experience on this site, so as to help people make informed decisions for them selves. I hope this message helps ease your "suspicious mind" ............Now I want to listen to Elvis!!

Really suggest that we try to keep the post about Cardenas and the topic focused on FFS. These long narratives clog up the thread and are not useful to anyone. Please consider removing it or shortening it up. Thanks, Jonnie

Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 04:57:05 AM
You're welcome! My lips were VERY full after surgery but all of that has disappeared now less than a month later... Individual results may vary, but for myself I didn't feel it was worth it. It was essentially a thousand bucks down the drain!  I feel good about my nose... I asked Tere to be conservative with the idea that we can always do more later. There may still be too much outward projection but the width was narrowed and the hump in my nose was taken out while maintaining the straight "Romanesque"  slope that is characteristic of my family. I didn't have any tip work completed so I couldn't tell you unfortunately. I won't know final results for 6 months to a year, but things look good so far. See my side-by-side photos here: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1

I agree with you Jonnie, I had fat transfer in Peru and for the first few days they looked full but after that it all disappeared, waste of time.

Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 04:57:05 AM
You're welcome! My lips were VERY full after surgery but all of that has disappeared now less than a month later... Individual results may vary, but for myself I didn't feel it was worth it. It was essentially a thousand bucks down the drain!  I feel good about my nose... I asked Tere to be conservative with the idea that we can always do more later. There may still be too much outward projection but the width was narrowed and the hump in my nose was taken out while maintaining the straight "Romanesque"  slope that is characteristic of my family. I didn't have any tip work completed so I couldn't tell you unfortunately. I won't know final results for 6 months to a year, but things look good so far. See my side-by-side photos here: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1

Jonnie love your nose, it is beautiful and feminine

Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 02:07:54 PM
For Natasha and TearDrops - My take on TearDrops feedback - There are trans women in male mode who get FFS before hormones and being full-time. Most people agree that FFS before hormones and living fulltime is putting the cart before the horse, but some people do this... It's not entirely unheard of. At any rate, let's keep it cool so we can keep this thread open and the discussion going.

Cheers,
Jonnie

Thank you Jonnie, I'm the perfect example, still living as a male because of private issues but had multiple FFS and butt implants

Quote from: TearDrops on June 08, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
I do not understand what there is to be suspicious about. Every one has the choice which way they want to make their journey. I have now been on hormones for two and a half months, I was undecided about when to start taking hormones, because of the dangers they pose to your health, so I have put them on hold for a long time. In the meantime I have grown my hair [head], I have had all the hair removed from my face and body with laser and electrolysis, and had FFS, in an effort to look as feminine as possible, before making my decision on, if and when I would start taking hormones. No amount of hormones would have changed my nose, chin or forehead. My face has great possibilities if I could get the right surgeon. After reading, and taking in what everyone else has been saying about the hormones and what they can do, I decided to start on them. Now I realise I probably would have been much better off financially, if I started the hormones a long time ago, as my face is changing a lot, even after just two and half months, and the hair would have been much easier and quicker to get rid of permanently. Now, in hindsight I would have done it the other way round, but also, in hindsight, I wouldn't of had my FFS with Dr Cardenas. I have made mistakes, but like I said its everyone's own private and personal journey. I know for absolute certain that I am doing the right thing in keeping what's going on with me, private, confidential, and to myself. Up to now I have managed to excuse, to all the people that know me, and who matter, every action that I have taken, with imaginative, believable, and very convincing reasons as to why I have done what I've done. Soon I will have to come clean or just disappear, as I am fast becoming more feminine looking, in every way. However, Ive always known that my nose, chin and forehead will not be affected by any amount of hormones, so there is urgency in me getting information for the right surgeon this time, as I do not want to make another mistake. That is why I joined this website forum in the first place, to get information. Now that I have had some experience with FFS myself, I am sharing that experience on this site, so as to help people make informed decisions for them selves. I hope this message helps ease your "suspicious mind" ............Now I want to listen to Elvis!!

Teardrops, seems you are me. After reading this, I could swear you are me. I f you would like PM me, I would love to chat with you and see your perspective and maybe help each other in our journey.

Merci Shiela!

Yep! And this thread was not started so that people could defend their transition strategy against people online who they don't even know. It would be greatly appreciated if TearDrops and XNatasha would just remove the accusatory comments altogether. Again, not what this thread is about. If we continue to go down the road of my way vs. your way, I will have a moderator lock this thread down.

Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
Really suggest that we try to keep the post about Cardenas and the topic focused on FFS. These long narratives clog up the thread and are not useful to anyone. Please consider removing it or shortening it up. Thanks, Jonnie

Sorry jgirl, I was just defending myself, although I did mention Dr Cardenas 

Quote from: TearDrops on June 08, 2014, 09:52:34 PM
Sorry jgirl, I was just defending myself, although I did mention Dr Cardenas 

Shedevil, thanks so much for posting info about V to Y lip enhancement technique, I've never heard of it, and I'm looking to hopefully get very, very big lips.

JGirl, You said you lost a thousand bucks on fat transfer to lips that didn't last, is it the price of the fat injection on its own, or liposuction and fat injection? Thanks for answering

 

I want people to be very aware that I am now looking at FFS threads and will moderate if posts go against ToS.

Moderation can and may remove your ability to post.

Cindy

UPDATE 6/11/14  I'm 4 weeks out from surgery with Dr. Cardenas and you can still see my sinus, especially in the light. Noticeable shadow on the right side, which is my left side (See picture below)  Type III will be needed to resolve this so I will need a revision... Not sure at this point if I will go back to Cardenas or to someone else.  I feel that I look good but I really don't want to see any bossing or sinus shadow...  Wish we did this right the 1st time! The idea of having to do this again is just daunting... The idea of opening that incision back up again...  whew....

You look amazing Jgirl76! I do understand your want for the reservation, only you can decide if you want to go under the knife again, I wouldn't but, our own standard of what we want is a really personal thing, so I totally understand you wanting to.

It looks like all your features settled nicely, it would seem to me that  Dr. Cardenas is just a bit cautious in his work, which isn't such a bad thing so long as you know that going to him.

Quote from: Hikari on June 11, 2014, 11:56:37 PM
You look amazing Jgirl76! I do understand your want for the reservation, only you can decide if you want to go under the knife again, I wouldn't but, our own standard of what we want is a really personal thing, so I totally understand you wanting to.

It looks like all your features settled nicely, it would seem to me that  Dr. Cardenas is just a bit cautious in his work, which isn't such a bad thing so long as you know that going to him.

Thank you, Hikari. I appreciate that very much, and I probably will do the revision otherwise it will always bother me... I didn't go through all of that surgery and money to come out on the other side unhappy. The main thing though is that I want others to know what this "looks like", to see the actual limitation of type I and II procedures. I don't want other Cardenas girls to have to do this surgery twice, it's not fair to them. Better to get it right the 1st time. All the best, -J