boy, a real dearth of activity over here 


is absence the same thing as emptiness? if there's no such thing as nothing, that is.
(or isn't.)

Is a dearth the same as a wag of nothing?

Cindi

Quote from: None of the Above on August 21, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
is absence the same thing as emptiness? if there's no such thing as nothing, that is.
(or isn't.)

Absence is lack of presence.  Nothing is the absence of everything.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on August 21, 2007, 03:42:35 PM
Is a dearth the same as a wag of nothing?

Cindi

I donno. I wag nothing until there is no more.

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 21, 2007, 06:49:34 PM
Absence is lack of presence.  Nothing is the absence of everything.

But is emptiness not the same as it ever was?

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 21, 2007, 06:49:34 PM

Quote from: None of the Above on August 21, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
is absence the same thing as emptiness? if there's no such thing as nothing, that is.
(or isn't.)

Absence is lack of presence.  Nothing is the absence of everything.

The question prohibits the use of the word "nothing" to describe either "absense" or "emptiness".

Love always,
Elizabeth

Quote from: Elizabeth on August 24, 2007, 09:22:48 PM

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 21, 2007, 06:49:34 PM

Quote from: None of the Above on August 21, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
is absence the same thing as emptiness? if there's no such thing as nothing, that is.
(or isn't.)

Absence is lack of presence.  Nothing is the absence of everything.

The question prohibits the use of the word "nothing" to describe either "absense" or "emptiness".

Love always,
Elizabeth

Emptiness implies nothing.

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 25, 2007, 01:59:04 AM

Quote from: Elizabeth on August 24, 2007, 09:22:48 PM

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 21, 2007, 06:49:34 PM

Quote from: None of the Above on August 21, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
is absence the same thing as emptiness? if there's no such thing as nothing, that is.
(or isn't.)

Absence is lack of presence.  Nothing is the absence of everything.

The question prohibits the use of the word "nothing" to describe either "absense" or "emptiness".

Love always,
Elizabeth

Emptiness implies nothing.

and (you'll forgive the pun, I hope), explicates nothing


what I am trying to get at is is the so-called or metaphysical *Zero* (principle of non-being; infinite possibility as distinguished from indefinite actuality) equivalent to the so-called empty set or { }?



Posted on: August 25, 2007, 11:36:52 PM

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Quote from: Ell on August 24, 2007, 08:00:35 PM

Quote from: None of the Above on August 21, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
boy, a real dearth of activity over here 

...to live more quietly.

often i have just thought after thought after thought, or else i'm playing a song i like in my head, so that my waking hours are just filled with words and or melodies.

but my mind readily accepts silence, if i'm conscious enough to allow it. and i think it's really good for me. so, i'm welcoming the dearth.

I am trying to eschew old melodies posed in time also. it isn't live, it's memorex...


sorry to disturb the dearth 

Quoteprinciple of non-being; infinite possibility as distinguished from indefinite actuality

I would disagree that these or the same, or even similar.  The principle of non-being is not infinite possibility, because the act of non-being precludes the possibility of being, making it incompatible with infinite possibility.

Emptiness is what is called voidness of absence.  For instance, somebody says Hi, look! that house is empty, or that is a empty house, the meaning of his words, is that nothing is in the house or nobody is living in the house, does not mean the house is not existent. When we say That bookshelf is empty, it does not mean the bookshelf itself is not existent, the only meaning of those words is that nothing is on the bookshelf.

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 26, 2007, 07:39:10 AM

Quoteprinciple of non-being; infinite possibility as distinguished from indefinite actuality

I would disagree that these or the same, or even similar.  The principle of non-being is not infinite possibility, because the act of non-being precludes the possibility of being, making it incompatible with infinite possibility.

that is a bold assertion, as they say in teenytown.

since, *locally*, we're strictly in abstraction town, here goes nothing:

the act of non-being <precludes nothing> (particularly possibility*), when you rotate that you get <includes everything>



(As the great sage Rosanne RosannaDanna liked to say: it's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.)

Quote from: None of the Above on August 30, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
the act of non-being <precludes nothing>

But non-being is, by definition, a negation of being.

QuoteEmptiness implies nothing.

Emptiness implies a container.

The empty set is a fiction, made up by our own minds to describe an idea. Once it becomes an idea, it can no longer be nothing. Which is why we call it "the empty set". Besides being difficult to imagine, nothingness also does not exist in our universe. What we call empty space, is not empty at all. Nor is it nothing. As far as we can tell, everything is something. Spacetime itself is a kind of fabric.

Love always,
Elizabeth

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 30, 2007, 03:21:13 PM

Quote from: None of the Above on August 30, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
the act of non-being <precludes nothing>

But non-being is, by definition, a negation of being.

Everything includes its own negation
...

Down here in teenytown, creation and annihilation go hand-in-hand, so-to-speak

The off-switch indicates the on-switch, IE

Absense is the frame in which presense is viewed.

The word is in the silence.

Then there is the string theory which suggests 6 more dimensions that we are not aware of. Is an thought nothing?