I'm not sure if anyone here has ever read the story about the man who lost his penis and got a transplant from a fellow who was brain dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2006/sep/18/medicineandhealth.china
There's the link to that, and that's a few years old.
So that is always a possibility, barring the psychological issues that may arise due to having someone else's genitals attached to your body.
Though, as it says at the end of this article, whether or not it would fully function properly would take some time to become evident.
There are indeed micro-surgeons who specialize in nerve-reattachment, it just takes a while for them to start working properly again.

Yes it is possible to get the feeling with phallo, but even without direct feeling the feeling still channels up from the original equipment, so to speak, which remains there more or less embedded in the new phallus.
There are quite a lot of nerve endings in the smaller clit and it isn't cut or damaged in any way.

But they do reconnect the nerves, though it may take awhile as @transmadness said.

--Jay

I've read some awesome discussions on the lab grown penises. I'm sure it will take at least 10 years, and first it will go for disabled veterans and things like that first. I did read an article on how they are excited to hopefully be able to help the FTM community

I just can't see the transplanted "lab-grown penis" into the body of an FTM as being fully functional in the same way as a cismale's penis.  I think that it's great - don't get me wrong - but I can't imagine that it would function as a cismale penis.  I would still give it a go, though.  Even if just for alleviating dysphoria - to have it there at all would be amazing.

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on June 25, 2014, 08:14:43 PM
I just can't see the transplanted "lab-grown penis" into the body of an FTM as being fully functional in the same way as a cismale's penis.  I think that it's great - don't get me wrong - but I can't imagine that it would function as a cismale penis.  I would still give it a go, though.  Even if just for alleviating dysphoria - to have it there at all would be amazing.

It definitely would help so many people from all walks of life if it actually happens. For it to be fully functional would be a dream. From what I've read, they would take a nerve from another part of the body to connect. I see on this thread everyone feels differently on how the nerves would connect, but here's to hoping!

Quote from: Bearr on June 25, 2014, 09:03:59 PM
It definitely would help so many people from all walks of life if it actually happens. For it to be fully functional would be a dream. From what I've read, they would take a nerve from another part of the body to connect. I see on this thread everyone feels differently on how the nerves would connect, but here's to hoping!

I am pretty sure they do reconnect nerves (though obviously not enough to get someone to walk again). I would guess that at least theoretically you can grow nerve cells from stem cells, of course, though I'm not sure anything like that has been done. Meanwhile your still stuck with grafts, though perhaps the graft isn't as noticeable.



--Jay

My biggest issue with grafts is that you get a hella lot of scarring but most importantly, no erection. Maybe I'm a vain bastard but I care about it quite a fair deal more than I was initially willing to admit, because I was pretty settled on a graft but I have changed my opinion on this. I want natural erection. Also, yes, sensation is going to be odd since it will still be limited to the clit nerves so it won't quite feel like as if you were born with a penis since the strongest experience will be in the clit organ inside your body, not in the penis itself so to speak. That would likely be different with a lab grown penis since it would have all the neural sensitivity of any other penis including of course, natural erection.

Regardless I think most people unless they really need it would be better of to wait. Tech just isn't all that great though the future does look promising and while you can be lucky and get very good results and if you want to settle with current tech that's fine, but personally, I would wait. You can be a guy without a dick.  That's what all those war veterans are that this lab grown penis tech is being developed for.

Quote from: Ephemeral on June 28, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
My biggest issue with grafts is that you get a hella lot of scarring but most importantly, no erection. Maybe I'm a vain bastard but I care about it quite a fair deal more than I was initially willing to admit, because I was pretty settled on a graft but I have changed my opinion on this. I want natural erection. Also, yes, sensation is going to be odd since it will still be limited to the clit nerves so it won't quite feel like as if you were born with a penis since the strongest experience will be in the clit organ inside your body, not in the penis itself so to speak. That would likely be different with a lab grown penis since it would have all the neural sensitivity of any other penis including of course, natural erection.

Regardless I think most people unless they really need it would be better of to wait. Tech just isn't all that great though the future does look promising and while you can be lucky and get very good results and if you want to settle with current tech that's fine, but personally, I would wait. You can be a guy without a dick.  That's what all those war veterans are that this lab grown penis tech is being developed for.

Right but what were trying to explain to him is that he's not dickless nor will he ever be because the clit is made out of the same thing as a penis and as I also said the invers can be stated as well a penis is an oversized clit and gets erect it has a shaft and a hood over it, its just smaller. And I have alot of bio guy friends and the same feeling they get when they jack off is the same feeling I get no lie,We have alot of weird convos but what teen boy doesn't. You will actually find that our bodies are actually the least thing that's different its only hormones and brain structure. Took biology also learned this in sociology we all start out with female genitalia a clit is just an underveloped penis.

Quote from: Ephemeral on June 28, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
Regardless I think most people unless they really need it would be better of to wait. Tech just isn't all that great though the future does look promising and while you can be lucky and get very good results and if you want to settle with current tech that's fine, but personally, I would wait. You can be a guy without a dick.  That's what all those war veterans are that this lab grown penis tech is being developed for.

Nobody's saying you can't be a guy unless you have a penis, but for a lot of people it is crucially important. Do not dismiss the technology as not "all that great" — considering what surgeons are working with (skin grafted from an arm or other body part) the results are impressive. The fact that you do retain a measure of sensation and are able to successfully urinate through it is a radical improvement from, say, 10 or 20 years ago. Yes, things go wrong, and sometimes men aren't entirely happy with the results, but generally speaking most patients are perfectly satisfied. Cosmetically speaking, if done well, it's pretty indistinguishable from a 'real' penis.

Of course there are limitations. I, too, wish there was a way to achieve a natural erection and the option to have a foreskin. For the time being, though, this is what we have and for many people it's satisfactory.

I'm not trying to change your mind, and I'm not saying that current techniques are perfect — of course they're not. just be careful about making sweeping statements like "it's not that great" — fact is, the technology itself is rather incredible, it's just a question of whether it is satisfactory to you personally. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to wait if certain factors (i.e. lack of natural erection) are dealbreakers for you. That is perfectly fine. Just try not to state it as an objective fact; this can be a hugely sensitive issue for many of the people who have had lower surgery and are satisfied with their penises.

QuoteRight but what were trying to explain to him is that he's not dickless nor will he ever be because the clit is made out of the same thing as a penis and as I also said the invers can be stated as well a penis is an oversized clit and gets erect it has a shaft and a hood over it, its just smaller. And I have alot of bio guy friends and the same feeling they get when they jack off is the same feeling I get no lie,We have alot of weird convos but what teen boy doesn't. You will actually find that our bodies are actually the least thing that's different its only hormones and brain structure. Took biology also learned this in sociology we all start out with female genitalia a clit is just an underveloped penis.

Yes, I agree on that and I have always been very sure that what I experience is the same as a cisguy's too, but sensation isn't quite going to be 100% the same despite that. I actually think brain structure is what differs less personally but that's a different subject.

QuoteNobody's saying you can't be a guy unless you have a penis, but for a lot of people it is crucially important. Do not dismiss the technology as not "all that great" — considering what surgeons are working with (skin grafted from an arm or other body part) the results are impressive.

Well, I was at a seminar earlier this year with the local surgeon showing the most recent tech and their results and I wasn't impressed, personally. If other guys are satisfied with that it's their thing, as I already mentioned. ¨

QuoteCosmetically speaking, if done well, it's pretty indistinguishable from a 'real' penis.

Those are very rare I'd say, result-wise.

QuoteOf course there are limitations. I, too, wish there was a way to achieve a natural erection and the option to have a foreskin. For the time being, though, this is what we have and for many people it's satisfactory.

I'm not trying to change your mind, and I'm not saying that current techniques are perfect — of course they're not. just be careful about making sweeping statements like "it's not that great" — fact is, the technology itself is rather incredible, it's just a question of whether it is satisfactory to you personally. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to wait if certain factors (i.e. lack of natural erection) are dealbreakers for you. That is perfectly fine. Just try not to state it as an objective fact; this can is a hugely sensitive issue for many of the people who have had lower surgery and are satisfied with their penises.

It was my opinion so what does it matter if it's a sweeping statement or not? With that said, I have to say that I do think it's somewhat factually correct to state that tech isn't all that great compared to what it could actually be. Yes, some guys may be happy with their results and that's good for them and I was aiming for a graft myself before I changed my mind. Especially after I attended the seminar earlier this year. It changed my perception of phalloplasty a lot, and not in a good way. I would likely consider it a reality check.

Did you for example know that they are experimenting with titanium screws implants where you can attach a prosthetic device instead of doing grafts? I mean, I can't say I think that method is revolutionary or anything like that. I suppose it could be the second best thing if you want to wait for something else available but don't want a graft.

As I said, I think I'll go with a meta.

It's a shame that we cannot somehow exchange body parts. I would surely swap all my things for you things. Take care & good luck to you.   

Quote from: Ephemeral on June 29, 2014, 04:24:31 AM
Yes, I agree on that and I have always been very sure that what I experience is the same as a cisguy's too, but sensation isn't quite going to be 100% the same despite that. I actually think brain structure is what differs less personally but that's a different subject.

Well, I was at a seminar earlier this year with the local surgeon showing the most recent tech and their results and I wasn't impressed, personally. If other guys are satisfied with that it's their thing, as I already mentioned. ¨

Those are very rare I'd say, result-wise.

It was my opinion so what does it matter if it's a sweeping statement or not? With that said, I have to say that I do think it's somewhat factually correct to state that tech isn't all that great compared to what it could actually be. Yes, some guys may be happy with their results and that's good for them and I was aiming for a graft myself before I changed my mind. Especially after I attended the seminar earlier this year. It changed my perception of phalloplasty a lot, and not in a good way. I would likely consider it a reality check.

Did you for example know that they are experimenting with titanium screws implants where you can attach a prosthetic device instead of doing grafts? I mean, I can't say I think that method is revolutionary or anything like that. I suppose it could be the second best thing if you want to wait for something else available but don't want a graft.

As I said, I think I'll go with a meta.

Yea maybe after surgery is chamges with the phallo but not with the meta. And yes Brain structure is different, Why do you think us guys think about sex more than women. Also why do you think us guys are more visual.

Quote from: FrancisAnn on June 29, 2014, 05:47:52 AM
It's a shame that we cannot somehow exchange body parts. I would surely swap all my things for you things. Take care & good luck to you.

I agree with you. I have thought many times that how nice it would be for me if I could just swap my parts.

Quote from: Brandon on June 29, 2014, 12:06:28 PM

Yea maybe after surgery is chamges with the phallo but not with the meta. And yes Brain structure is different, Why do you think us guys think about sex more than women. Also why do you think us guys are more visual.

There is no evidence to actually suggest that guys inherently think more about sex. As for spatial skills, one can argue it is caused by brain plasticity because people male born are encouraged to use those kinds of skills and it would thus also improve that part of the brain.

You will find plenty of guys who suck at spatial thinking. I'm one of them. I'm largely verbal over visual.

Quote from: Ephemeral on June 29, 2014, 01:59:44 PM
There is no evidence to actually suggest that guys inherently think more about sex. As for spatial skills, one can argue it is caused by brain plasticity because people male born are encouraged to use those kinds of skills and it would thus also improve that part of the brain.

You will find plenty of guys who suck at spatial thinking. I'm one of them. I'm largely verbal over visual.

Um yea its been proven that men on average think about sex more than women, Where have you been dude, Thats pretty much what me and my bros talk about if we have nothing else to. All you need to do is make a twitter and go up the TL its right n front of your face. And when I say visual. I mean its easier for us to get turned on. Prime example plenty of girls will tell you they don't were regular underwear with yogas or leggings so guess whats on a guys mind cuz I know whats on mine.

Quote from: Brandon on June 29, 2014, 09:19:35 PM

Um yea its been proven that men on average think about sex more than women, Where have you been dude, Thats pretty much what me and my bros talk about if we have nothing else to. All you need to do is make a twitter and go up the TL its right n front of your face. And when I say visual. I mean its easier for us to get turned on. Prime example plenty of girls will tell you they don't were regular underwear with yogas or leggings so guess whats on a guys mind cuz I know whats on mine.

Please cite actual studies, not anecdotal conjecture. If you read up your science you'd know that women react as strongly to visual stimulus as men do and that women think about as much about sex. Just because people don't articulate certain thoughts it doesn't mean they don't exist. Male and female socialization is very different but thanks for proving that male socialization emphasizes sex more.

Getting back on topic, if I get bottom surgery it will be meta. I'm just not happy with any of the Phallo results I've seen anywhere. But, that being said, my top priority is top surgery, and I'm willing to wait quite a while for bottom surgery so there is time to improve the technology. I don't want to sound offensive but the only decent Phallo results I've seen were MLP from the back dorsal, and even then it didn't look great. I tend to think that forearm Phallo results look kind of like play dough.

Quote from: h3llsb3lls on June 30, 2014, 05:04:47 AM
Getting back on topic, if I get bottom surgery it will be meta. I'm just not happy with any of the Phallo results I've seen anywhere. But, that being said, my top priority is top surgery, and I'm willing to wait quite a while for bottom surgery so there is time to improve the technology. I don't want to sound offensive but the only decent Phallo results I've seen were MLP from the back dorsal, and even then it didn't look great. I tend to think that forearm Phallo results look kind of like play dough.

I have read that many FTM people refuse to have that surgery for the same reasons.  A penis is not necessary except for penetrative sex or for personal preference.

Quote from: mac1 on June 30, 2014, 10:08:03 AM
I have read that many FTM people refuse to have that surgery for the same reasons.  A penis is not necessary except for penetrative sex or for personal preference.

Exactly. While I would love to have the equipment that I have in my mind, it isn't a necessary procedure for me and I don't want to have to settle for another body part I'm not happy with.

Quote from: h3llsb3lls on June 30, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
Exactly. While I would love to have the equipment that I have in my mind, it isn't a necessary procedure for me and I don't want to have to settle for another body part I'm not happy with.

That is similar to my situation. Since before I was 10 years old I had thoughts that it would be nice to be a girl. I was never overly excited about my male parts but they have given me sexual pleasure in the past with my wife. They currently do not serve any practical purpose for me and I do not have any real need for a vagina. I still would like to be able to pass as a woman with her if I could look feminine enough and she would be able to accept me in that roll on occasion.

At this point the minimum acceptable transition (so I could pass as either female or male) for me would be:
(1) A totally smooth crotch with proper urethra relocation and possibly labia to direct the urine.
(2) Moderately sized female breasts.
(3) Elimination of facial and body hair.
(4) A more feminine (unisex) voice.
(5) Full acceptance (in either female or male roll) by my wife.