I tried to reason with myself that I was only born male to gain things I couldn't have gained if I was born female. Though I'm starting to think maybe even god makes mistakes. What are your opinions on it?

Nope, I don't believe that God makes mistakes. Everything is for a reason. But I believe we may feel we make mistakes. But I definately believe that God lets us choose our own lives and believe me it is not about material things but rather a lesson in learning.

BTW since theis is  the spritual thread instead of the Christianity thread, I blieve in reincarnation and we choose the lives we incarnate in order to learn those lessons. But it is not about material gains as much as enlightenment. Can you feel a difference between your body and your Spirit? And that the two may be seperate but bound to one another? That is Enlightenment.

I also believe in reincarnation. By things gained, I meant things like morals ans beliefs. In general, it's hard to believe in something you have no proof of. I guess I consider my proof to be psychic and paranormal things.

i believe you live only one life, meaning when you are reborn, you stay the same so in a since i do believe God made a mistake but i also believe God didnt. confusing i know but if you were me screaming God made a mistake with a razor blade in your hand, you;d understand

Quote from: Serenahikaru on July 06, 2014, 12:18:54 PM
I also believe in reincarnation. By things gained, I meant things like morals ans beliefs. In general, it's hard to believe in something you have no proof of. I guess I consider my proof to be psychic and paranormal things.

Believing in things you have no proof in is the epitome of Faith. We breathe air and I can't see or actually feel the oxygen that allows me to live unless it is cooled to its liquid temps. 100 years ago we couldn't do that but our breathing keeps us alive and that is not seeable or feelable other than the wind but we live regardless with the air being only 23% oxygen that we really need to live and the other gasses would asphyxiate us.

Paranormal things, now you're speaking my language.

Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 06, 2014, 12:27:44 PM
i believe you live only one life, meaning when you are reborn, you stay the same so in a since i do believe God made a mistake but i also believe God didnt. confusing i know but if you were me screaming God made a mistake with a razor blade in your hand, you;d understand

I understand you

Quote from: Jess42 on July 06, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Believing in things you have no proof in is the epitome of Faith. We breathe air and I can't see or actually feel the oxygen that allows me to live unless it is cooled to its liquid temps. 100 years ago we couldn't do that but our breathing keeps us alive and that is not seeable or feelable other than the wind but we live regardless with the air being only 23% oxygen that we really need to live and the other gasses would asphyxiate us.

Paranormal things, now you're speaking my language.

I love parapsychology and I'd like to believe solely on faith, but I'm more logical.

Quote from: Serenahikaru on July 06, 2014, 12:37:10 PM
I love parapsychology and I'd like to believe solely on faith, but I'm more logical.

Oh yeah. Parapsychology is a little different than paranormal investigating though. But I do have EVPs that do defy all logic. What they are or where they come from is a mystery but leads me to believe that there is something that goes on after the physical death. I will not speculate 'cause I do not know for sure. If I did then I would be famous and I ain't. Could have something to do with the theories of time, extreme EMF fields that our technology leads to and so on. I will say one thing about that and that is there seems to be more paranormal occurances around cellphone towers and so on. But when I can understand what a disembodied voice is saying it is and extreme rush and mystery. Whether caught on a recorder or heard by ear when no one else was there and collaborated by someone else that hear the exact same thing.

BTW you can be logical and sketical and still have Faith. Life itself is a mystery and as Chaotic and random as the Universe seems to be, life is an anomoly and or truly special.

Quote from: Jess42 on July 06, 2014, 12:51:59 PM
BTW you can be logical and sketical and still have Faith. Life itself is a mystery and as Chaotic and random as the Universe seems to be, life is an anomoly and or truly special.

Beautiful! Not matter what's your faith, if you are logical, sceptical, rational. If you believe God makes mistakes or not, it's irrelevant. We're the one that make mistakes. We were born unique, there's not a copy of you on the entire UNIVERSE! Embrace yourself, celebrate your existence with joy! We have the power to make choices in our life as bright, fun, special and significant as we should. Is only our responsibility. In fact, we're made to get upset, sad, hurt, stumble and fall and that's OK.  Because that's the whole purpose of living: to face problems, learn, adapt and solve them. We don't learn in abundance but when we struggle, by pain, by suffering. This is what ultimately make us the person we become... Win or lose by how you CHOOSE!
You are GOD.....

I depends on how you define a mistake. Is an albino snake(born all white I also don't like snakes) that will single to all others that its available to be eaten and its prey says that we can see you. People are born blind,deaf,mute and a whole lot of other ailments. I would but would God. There are people in Africa who have all black parents but are born albino. They get discriminated against by their society and own parents.

Therefore who knows what the answer is.

I too agree it depends on how you define a mistake. What about someone who is born with both sets of genitals? Is that a mistake? If you're missing a finger, toe, limb or whatever is that a mistake? If you can say there is a reason for any of those things to happen and that God doesn't make mistakes, then being trans isn't a mistake either.

Diandra Forrest, Helen Keller, Anne Sullivan, Stephen Hawkings, Oscar Pistorius, Stevie Wonder, Stephen Hawking, Ralph Braun, John Hockenberry, Marlee Matlin, Sudha Chandran, and on, and on, and on, definitive PROOF that disability can only be found in the way you think, a mistake or a challenge?...and life is only as hard as you make it....  Being "TRANS" a mistake? or a GIFT?

also, to add meat to what i mean by God didnt make a mistake is that if it wasnt for my male side, i would of died. for it was may male side that is the survivor, the protector and just that person that offers a shoulder to cry on. thus why i'm loosing my mind over since God did mistake my gender and i want to be whole, if i lose my male side i just might die so thus makes me wonder if God didnt make a mistake

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"People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and if they can't find them, make them."
―George Bernard

I don't believe God makes mistakes, but I also don't believe God has anything to do with being born transgender, or being born with a cleft palate, or suffering from OCD. Bad things just happen sometimes. We don't live in a perfect world. Maybe it's deliberate in some cases. Sometimes I think I was born transgender because I would've been an incorrigible monster if I'd been a cisgender male. Some men in both sides of my family have violent tendencies. I'd like to think I wouldn't have been, but who's to say? In my case, suffering made me a kinder person.

short answer: no God does not make mistakes.

I made us all the way he did for a reason. We do not need to know that reason, some may not even want to know. I just know that he made me this way for a reason and when it is time i will know why and what i am ment to do with it.

G-D doesn't make mistakes, he made me just like I was supposed to be! Some people transition from kids in school to bankers and doctors. He provided the necessities to transition me into female. I think that by transitioning me he is using me for inspiration to others or for a distinct purpose. He will reveal it someday to me.

Quote from: Declan. on July 06, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
I don't believe God makes mistakes, but I also don't believe God has anything to do with being born transgender, or being born with a cleft palate, or suffering from OCD. Bad things just happen sometimes. We don't live in a perfect world. Maybe it's deliberate in some cases. Sometimes I think I was born transgender because I would've been an incorrigible monster if I'd been a cisgender male. Some men in both sides of my family have violent tendencies. I'd like to think I wouldn't have been, but who's to say? In my case, suffering made me a kinder person.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on July 06, 2014, 06:36:32 PM
G-D doesn't make mistakes, he made me just like I was supposed to be! Some people transition from kids in school to bankers and doctors. He provided the necessities to transition me into female. I think that by transitioning me he is using me for inspiration to others or for a distinct purpose. He will reveal it someday to me.

Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 06, 2014, 04:54:27 PM
also, to add meat to what i mean by God didnt make a mistake is that if it wasnt for my male side, i would of died. for it was may male side that is the survivor, the protector and just that person that offers a shoulder to cry on. thus why i'm loosing my mind over since God did mistake my gender and i want to be whole, if i lose my male side i just might die so thus makes me wonder if God didnt make a mistake

Good points, this definitely has me thinking more into it.

I thought that all religious frameworks had some kind of allowance for "mistakes" happening as a way to learn or to be tested or serve larger goals?

When I was growing up, I was taught that having physical deformities or mental illness (trans would have been seen as one or both of those things in the POV I was given) was due to the sins of the mother and father, and that a person's job was to live righteously with their circumstances. If you didn't get (and stay) right with God then the barriers would multiply and you would also likely pass defects onto your own children.

My spiritual context now is that I see humanity and our place in the world to be pretty special, and the details are glorious enough that a creator seems beside the point. I do think our bodies make mistakes. My physical configuration is not ideal for success in such a highly social and self-aware species, and healthy pregnancies really shouldn't make people like me. But it's fine. Like, everybody has some set of inborn things that make life harder, and our lot isn't that bad. Popular opinion is shifting fast toward understanding and acceptance.

If you believe in a particular god, I don't see how you could think that he (or she or ze) doesn't want unchangeable parts of you to exist. Everyone is valuable.

Quote from: Felix on July 10, 2014, 04:00:31 AM
If you believe in a particular god, I don't see how you could think that he (or she or ze) doesn't want unchangeable parts of you to exist. Everyone is valuable.

Dear Felix, as simple as that!
I'm a fan of your World!
Perhaps we come from the same planet?

I wanna KISS YOU BOY!!!!!!!!!
Hugs........

"If people refuse to look at you in a new light and they can only see you for what you were, only see you for the mistakes you've made, if they don't realize that you are not your mistakes, then they have to go."
― Steve Maraboli, Life, the Truth, and Being Free