Quote from: calico on July 10, 2014, 05:14:24 AM
I'm still curious about why the OP views being trans as a mental illness

Same here if that's truly the case.

Ally

Quote from: Allyda on July 10, 2014, 07:33:55 PM
Same here if that's truly the case.

Ally

ditto

As the OP, I don't know. No matter what I say, it's not going to sound good. It's not going to sound good to me, or you, or anybody . . . I struggle with reality sometimes and figure that this must all be a delusion. And why is GID (or gender dysphoria, if you prefer) the only mental illness where the delusion is encouraged? I don't really care about what the answer is to that question (it's a horrible question anyway with lots of holes in it) . . . in my mind, it has to be a disorder. It just seems so disordered. I don't want to say more cause I don't want to offend anyone. My original question, and the topic of my essay, literally combines my fascination with hospitals—especially mental hospitals—with my own self-hatred. But if people want to say they have a birth defect—then my birth defect is not my sex, nor my gender, but my perception of reality.  Being born with a female gender identity in a masculine body is not—to me—a birth defect but a delusion. And yes, I am post-op and I don't regret it at all because I had a lot of fun. The results of the surgery were unexpected. But the surgery itself (all the fear and anxiety and release) and being in the hospital and recovering—it's all been really enjoyable and fun and interesting. It's been a very amazing adventure. So whether I'm real or not, I don't really care anymore, because at least I've had fun.

I don't know. I feel relaxed and slightly humourous. A tad bit confused. Irritated. My therapist tells me I need to pay attention to my feelings and emotions. He thinks I'm repressing them and substituting conditioned responses.

I still have a desire to want to be mentally ill. Does that mean I should go take medicines/have surgeries to become mentally ill? No. Of course not! Why, if one has the desire to change their sex should that be allowed???

I'm a confused individual. Haha. Just ignore me if it offends you. I think I'm done. Turn me over, I'm done on this side.

Rena-San,

Might it not be more appropriate to say (and perhaps this is what you were hinting at by birth defect) that a person might be born with the wrong body for their brain, rather than a "disordered brain" that didn't match their body? The person is their brain.

I am also somewhere on the landscape of autism, which is also considered a "disorder", but it is a part of my identity too.
Many within the neurodiversity movement would say, and I would agree with them, that to label one person's way of being a "disorder" because it does not conform to the perceived norm, when so many people are "aflicted" with that "disorder" seems a bit, what's the word, oh yes.. Stupid.
The fact of the matter is that if we had a society which was accepting of difference, and provided easy access to transitioning services for those that wanted them, our lives might not be so "disordered" by our "disorders".

I certainly know that being forced to act like a normal teenager when I could write complex software in my head but couldn't listen to lectures in high-school would have been greatly helped by a society that did not try to treat everyone as though they were identical cogs rolling off of a factory line to be sold to the corporations as labor.

To the OP:
I have two thoughts on this. Firstly, institutionalization is (generally speaking) dangerous. Once a person is given any kind of institutional status they immediately are subject to an unintentional power dynamic which nearly always leads to incidence of abuse by those at the top of that dynamic. To place transgender individuals who are already mistreated by society into a situation in which they are made powerless and judged by others.. I think would be a horrible mistake.

On the other hand, I could readily see the benefit of something akin to a transition spa. It would be fantastic to take all of my vacation days and spend them being pampered by people who are there (working for me) to help me through the transition process, and mingling with others who are also transitioning.

The difference is that the latter empowers rather than dis-empowers the transgender individual.
I would no more want to be institutionalized for my autism "disorder" than my gender identity "disorder".

Quote from: Rena-san on July 10, 2014, 10:04:00 PM
As the OP, I don't know. No matter what I say, it's not going to sound good. It's not going to sound good to me, or you, or anybody . . . I struggle with reality sometimes and figure that this must all be a delusion. And why is GID (or gender dysphoria, if you prefer) the only mental illness where the delusion is encouraged? I don't really care about what the answer is to that question (it's a horrible question anyway with lots of holes in it) . . . in my mind, it has to be a disorder. It just seems so disordered. I don't want to say more cause I don't want to offend anyone. My original question, and the topic of my essay, literally combines my fascination with hospitals—especially mental hospitals—with my own self-hatred. But if people want to say they have a birth defect—then my birth defect is not my sex, nor my gender, but my perception of reality.  Being born with a female gender identity in a masculine body is not—to me—a birth defect but a delusion. And yes, I am post-op and I don't regret it at all because I had a lot of fun. The results of the surgery were unexpected. But the surgery itself (all the fear and anxiety and release) and being in the hospital and recovering—it's all been really enjoyable and fun and interesting. It's been a very amazing adventure. So whether I'm real or not, I don't really care anymore, because at least I've had fun.

I don't know. I feel relaxed and slightly humourous. A tad bit confused. Irritated. My therapist tells me I need to pay attention to my feelings and emotions. He thinks I'm repressing them and substituting conditioned responses.

I still have a desire to want to be mentally ill. Does that mean I should go take medicines/have surgeries to become mentally ill? No. Of course not! Why, if one has the desire to change their sex should that be allowed???

I'm a confused individual. Haha. Just ignore me if it offends you. I think I'm done. Turn me over, I'm done on this side.

please don't take this as any thing other then my own perception of the argument and not to be take as mean spirited. What I gather is that because you believe the problem is mental illness , your projecting you belief system on everyone else as to their cause. I was born with this there is no mental causation no damage inflicted by the environment , absolutely nothing was done after my birth to cause this. Genetically something happened , an incursion of natural events. maybe genes from the beginning of evolution.. I don't know . all I know this is my brain and it just got stuck using the wrong hormones for unknown reasons. It an experimentally verifiable fact that it works and it just the other hormone in dominance not metal illness in my opinion.

Quote from: Rena-san on July 10, 2014, 10:04:00 PM
As the OP, I don't know. No matter what I say, it's not going to sound good. It's not going to sound good to me, or you, or anybody . . . I struggle with reality sometimes and figure that this must all be a delusion. And why is GID (or gender dysphoria, if you prefer) the only mental illness where the delusion is encouraged? I don't really care about what the answer is to that question (it's a horrible question anyway with lots of holes in it) . . . in my mind, it has to be a disorder. It just seems so disordered. I don't want to say more cause I don't want to offend anyone. My original question, and the topic of my essay, literally combines my fascination with hospitals—especially mental hospitals—with my own self-hatred. But if people want to say they have a birth defect—then my birth defect is not my sex, nor my gender, but my perception of reality.  Being born with a female gender identity in a masculine body is not—to me—a birth defect but a delusion. And yes, I am post-op and I don't regret it at all because I had a lot of fun. The results of the surgery were unexpected. But the surgery itself (all the fear and anxiety and release) and being in the hospital and recovering—it's all been really enjoyable and fun and interesting. It's been a very amazing adventure. So whether I'm real or not, I don't really care anymore, because at least I've had fun.

I don't know. I feel relaxed and slightly humourous. A tad bit confused. Irritated. My therapist tells me I need to pay attention to my feelings and emotions. He thinks I'm repressing them and substituting conditioned responses.

I still have a desire to want to be mentally ill. Does that mean I should go take medicines/have surgeries to become mentally ill? No. Of course not! Why, if one has the desire to change their sex should that be allowed???

I'm a confused individual. Haha. Just ignore me if it offends you. I think I'm done. Turn me over, I'm done on this side.

I'm appalled at this, and highly offended. Many more will be too when they read this...................

Please tell me I'm somehow not getting it? I'm making a mistake here and this is some sort of joke? You did it all because you had fun? You went through hrt and transition, then SRS because it was fun?

I can't look at this anymore it's so appalling and upsetting to me.......

Ally

As the OP stated i think she is right in her own minds fact. and could stem from a comorbidity ie: Delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect. Delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life; examples include being followed or poisoned. Apart from their delusions, people with delusional disorder may continue to socialize and function in a normal manner and their behaviour does not generally seem odd or bizarre. However, the preoccupation with delusional ideas can be disruptive to their overall lives. For the diagnosis to be made, auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, though olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present. (from Wiki)

Many can work there away around to get what they want for there own reason.

I wish this was all a dream. But for me it is real and its a outcome of what happened before my birth

Everyone who understands know that the WPATH SOC works in anyone who is GD.

Isabell

Quote from: Rena-san on July 10, 2014, 10:04:00 PM
why is GID (or gender dysphoria, if you prefer) the only mental illness where the delusion is encouraged?

And with this the topic has run it's course.

Topic locked.