Not exactly if this is right area to post but tried to search on net for this and seem to get nothing.  FYI I am DMAB yet once I had to get an IV and the nurse told me I have the veins of a female and had thick skin.  Took them a few tries to get needle in one almost broke lol.  Anyway I was wondering is this a sign of some condition like klinefelters.  Which I looked that up but doesn't seem to fit either.  Or maybe that is just nature saying oops your male but ha ha jokes on you you are female too.  Currently getting appointment to see therapist since I am just at the confused don't know what I am doing stage.  My apologies for anything I say that is harmful, hurtful or misguided as I have no ill intent whatsoever.  Finding this site and all the wonderful people in it has and will be a godsend!:)

They were probably complaining because women typically have more difficult veins to find for an IV.

BTW I know where this thread is going. I'm going to say this before it gets there. I have thick, easy to admin "male" veins and multiple nurses and doctors that have stuck me and then ask me if there's any chance I'm pregnant. One even had me do a pee test a couple days ago to make sure.

Thank you and yes kind of figured merely a tendency not a straight out thing and you sure look great btw:)  Yet though you never know if something like this has any medical connections if you will.
  It is nice to know that I am not only one at least similar:) And yet I still have the small female veins and thicker skin but eh if we were all the same period then we wouldn't be human either:)
Maybe just a physically anomaly that doesn't have to do with anything really or just a freak of nature that way.  (Not putting you or self down either:))
He he onward ho on the path course just starting easy to say at this point kinda:)

As far has veins go I know I used to have very pronounced veins on my arms that have since diminished 90%, but nurses still don't have issues accessing veins (:

Yeah, I wouldn't overthink this one. We all have the same circulatory system, except where it's reconfigured for different body parts. Are you vegetarian by any chance, being one myself I know that has made my veins harder to access.

Whenever I have my blood drawn. I have it drawn from my left hand. It only works this way. Everyone has tried my arm and they get NO blood.

There is two possible causes for this , they cannot find the vein.

The other my veins sense someone is coming so they then do a disappearing act by becoming thinner or they go out of my body and move to Alaska.

By the way I wish I was born with female veins.

I have giant veins in my arms and hands and I really, truly, deeply hope that HRT makes them less pronounced because I would say they are a dead giveaway at this time. I have never seen a genetic woman with pipes like the ones that I have.

^ I got huge veins, HRT didn't change that and I don't think it would for anyone. Only thing you could hope for is more fat layers to cover those veins up more so they don't show as bad. Mine still do, but also I do a lot of physical work too.

Quote from: Megan Joanne on July 19, 2014, 10:54:05 PM
^ I got huge veins, HRT didn't change that and I don't think it would for anyone. Only thing you could hope for is more fat layers to cover those veins up more so they don't show as bad. Mine still do, but also I do a lot of physical work too.

I've read that veins become less prominent on HRT so here's wishing for one #*%#%@!*&# break!! Otherwise it's going to be long sleeves forever and ever.

So long as you don't do any hard physical work or exercise too much, then eventually they may become less visible. I think its bulk of muscles that brings them out, a nice layer of fat will conceal them more. I don't know about anyone else but my veins have always been the same thickness, my hands are evidence to that, thick bulging veins all along the backs of them, always ever showing without and with estrogen.

Quote from: Megan Joanne on July 19, 2014, 11:54:32 PM
So long as you don't do any hard physical work or exercise too much, then eventually they may become less visible. I think its bulk of muscles that brings them out, a nice layer of fat will conceal them more. I don't know about anyone else but my veins have always been the same thickness, my hands are evidence to that, thick bulging veins all along the backs of them, always ever showing without and with estrogen.

I'm not at all muscular and since my huge weight loss (almost 200 lbs.) they've become worse than ever before. I'm hoping the redistribution of subcutaneous fat I can expect on HRT does something for that.

Yes, I think it's all muscle mass vs fat. Even pre hrt I had a rather female type fat distribution, with more than average subcutaneous fat for a slim person, so I had the hard for find veins more typical of females like the OP. Recently I've been heavily restricting calories (temporarily) to help the androcur in dropping the last bit of male type muscle, it's working great but my veins are more visible now, as I've lost fat as well as muscle. I'm hoping that when I relax my diet to let that lush female pattern fat come on, my veins will be almost invisible due the even greater fat to muscle ratio.. Well thats the devious plan at least :p

Thank you for the posts girls!:)

First off no I am not a vegetarian although I am guessing cutting meat in general probably good idea for transition if I do go that path etc.  I do know some things about diet but like a good mechanic I was a cook (well might go back to that, currently upgrading lol life in general I guess) and had some bad eating habits as far as when not type of food still like veggies too.

Beyond anything diet wise fat etc I have just always had these veins of course as I have aged gained some fat and trying to lose at the moment:)  I do understand the subcutaneous fat would cover the veins but does not relate to size either.  Have not had a problem giving blood well once it gets in there:)  If I went for transition tomorrow passing would be a joke 6 ft 240 lb balding ape not conducive lol but can always change things or at least to some degree:)

This goes to show some things are what they are and not related to any gender issues or sexual ones for that matter.  I had to ask just to get opinions on what I don't know only stupid question is the one that is never asked after all:)  Lastly before I post much of anything more I should get council and do more research to really figure things out I am still to ignorant on these matters but learning:)  Great educational site and you girls are very nice do not want to hurt anyone with mislead intentions.  Running silent for now and thank you one last time!:)

Well, it sux and it hurts when they can't seem to find the freakin' vein. I personally think it has to do with the experiece of the person administrating the IV or drawing blood. I was stuck a few times and they couldn't seem to find the vein to give a blood sample. It really hurt when they were move the GD needle looking for it. The nurse was fairly young and even the one that was training her had a hard time finding it. Freakin' idiots. The next time the nurse was a little older and found it right off the bat. But I don't have prominant veins, you can see a little blue but nothing sticks out even with the rubber wrapped around my arm. But I see plenty of ciswomen with more prominant viens that stick out. It isn't a male or female thing as much as a genetic thing and how big your veins are.

Quote from: Jen72 on July 20, 2014, 12:14:56 PM
First off no I am not a vegetarian although I am guessing cutting meat in general probably good idea for transition if I do go that path etc.

Actually, that's the last thing you want to do. Protein is necessary for a good transition. Keratin is a protein that is the main ingredient in skin and in hair. Without it, your hair will be very unhealthy and grow slowly, and your skin will NOT be smooth or clear. Furthermore, protein is necessary for the binding of hormones to receptors. YOU WANT PROTEIN, trust me. You'll need every bit of it.

I have an IS condition, and also have very hard to access, thin veins that lie deep under the skin. At my last HRT appointment, when drawing blood, the phelmbotomist was like you have such thin, deep veins. She didn'tsay anything about it being a male/female thing.There are plenty of women with bigger veins.Also, I'm tiny all around in general, and have always had above average fat for a MAAB. In 2003, I had a disease and had to administer biotherapy (same as chemo, but using biological substances in huge doses) and I had to do it myself. When I went to the oncologist's office before starting, the nurse showed me how to adminster the drug. She must have noticed my fat thighs though and said that men have to administer this drug in their stomachs cause that's where the fat it, too bad you're not a woman, then you could stick it you thighs, like a woman. It's so much easier. Then she was like, but, if you don'tmind, just pull your pants down some cause ti looks like you don't have very muscular legs.Then she granned my thigh skin and was like, wow there's plenty of fat on your thighs. You can just do it there, like a woman. Lucky you.

At this point in my life, I had accepted I was trans and then took it back. I have always known about my condition but hoped things would change. So I was like great, not only do I have B cup boobs everyone points out when a shirt is too tight, but also I have womanly thighs. I have stretch marks all over my thighs and my boobs and have since puberty.

But in the absence of any other markers, I would just think nothing of it. Also, I think my veins have feminized from the HRT and havent always been so deep and thin. Don't know. BTW, I do not have Kleinfelter's. I have De La Chappele syndrome and was born with ambiguous genitalia. It's really nothing and I consider myself trans, as I'm transtioning whether from I to F or whatever.

Really, I think in one aspect it validates my transition in my head, but really, it's only in my head. I think if you feel you need to transition, then you should transtion. There doesn't need to be a reason beyond having GID. If you have GID, then you should consider HRT, as it could improve your life. You only live once, and why not make it the best as you can!