Update: For three days running now I have been called,texted or email specifically requested NOT to come in until further notice.
Quote from: Jess42 on July 11, 2014, 09:16:25 AM
Even small companies have much bigger parent companies and you may be surprised at how many lawyers even small companies have on retainer. It is a tax write off so in reality they pay nothing for the lawyers because they would have to pay that in taxes anyway.
I should have been a bit more specific - this company has no parent company, they are legit a small business. I know they have a lawyer on retainer, but I've seen them get hit with a wrongful termination suit a few years ago and they just settled out of court because the legal fees were getting way too high for them. I can legimately say the person in question who was suing them did not have much a case (it was not discrimination related, but performance related). If I can get some sort of advocacy group to take my case, I won't be getting money drained out of me like they would.
QuoteBTW just to clear things up a little. At this job are you presenting as male or female? If you are presenting as male what is the dresscode? Is there something about hairlength if you are still presenting as male? Every company should have a hand book or something they give you with all the rules in it and definately take that to the lawyer too. Cover all your bases, just like they will be doing.
At this job I am still presenting male. I've worked here for five years. I was hired as 'male'. I've never said anything to anyone about transisitoning or planning to transistion at anytime. About 3 years ago before transitioning I started growing my hair out, but I kept it tied back. There's nothing in the dress code about hair length specifically in the handbook, and other male employees have had long hair (and still do). Those male employees have beards & facial hair though, and look more male... I've never been able to grow a beard or much facial hair in my life so at the time I started growing my hair out I got harassed a bit and got called 'she' or 'her' in disparaging ways (though of course I didn't mind it, and didn't even pretend to be offended

) I was told by co-workers with no authority over me to cut my hair because I looked too feminine. I didn't, no boss ever told me to cut my hair. (Should mention by now my hair is almost down to my waist).
I began hormone treatment @ end of October 2013 (last year). I do not know how convincing my male presentation still is to them... that's the thing. Hormones have made a LOT of changes to my appearance (both face and body). I have B cup breasts now. I didn't think they would hit me this hard and fast, but I guess it's genetics + I'm still in my 20's and was feminine enough already to be gendered as female from time to time before taking hormones (once I had grown my hair out a little). My body type's always been very scrawney / skinny, etc. I'm also paying a lot for a very high dosage of hormones... so that could be it I don't know.
Our work environment is business casual (office job). I used to wear exclusively 'male' attire, but as hormones have changed my body type I can't wear men's pants with any degree of comfort, so I've been switching on and off between my really old men's pants / jeans and my newer women's jeans. I wear a sports bra (or 2 sometimes) to pack in the boobs, but it doesn't entirely work. So I wear a coat over, and unbuttoned because if I buttoned it the boobs would be visible. They've been turning off the AC a few days in the summer and it gets very hot though, so sometimes I've not been able to stand it and take the jacket off... this happened a few times the past couple weeks which could've ended up being a big mistake. Though I've gotten people making suspicious comments to me before like 'why the jacket? it's summer' or just 'take off that jacket, it's hot'. The coat I'm wearing is a nice $100 pea coat too btw, definately not against dress code
My upper body (shoulders, neck, collarbone, arms) have shrunk considerably thanks to little muscle mass I had going bye bye, so my old men's dress shirts hang off me like I'm wearing a pajama shirt. I've worn women's flannels a couple times, about once a week... but these dress decisions don't really scream 'female'. I'm still technically wearing shirt + jeans hehe and I'm not wearing a dress / skirts / heels

Though if i think about it harder the women's jeans are a little obvious... pretty tight and all lol. For shoes I just wear converse, either a new pair of girl's or an old pair of guy's they don't look that different. I can definitely say I understand the difficulties FTMs or female crossdressers go through

It's so uncomfortable to bind!!!

So all in all no matter how I'm dressed as I pointed out above, I'll go into work and get addressed by older co-workers as my old 'male' self, though sometimes they have stumbled on referring to me with male pronouns, or have used female pronouns. If I go out to lunch or on an errand, I will still get addressed as female outside the office consistently. Sometimes to the point of being flirted with / hit on. Newer employees were confused when the bosses introduced me to them under the old male name. They talk to me more gentle as guys generally do to girls, and don't include me in 'guy talk' in the cubicles next to me (this doesn't offend me, just pointing it out). I've been avoiding using the bathroom when I can because at work I'd still have to use the 'men's' bathroom. If it's an emergency (cuz estrogen makes u pee) then I'll use the stall part. It's a small bathroom, and if I walk in guys usually look uncomfortable. (Outside of work I've been going in women's bathrooms for five months now w/o problems). Some employees have either harassed me with comments (see above). Others who used to talk to me a lot whom I consider 'friends' before are awkward and don't talk to me anymore unless they have to.
QuoteThis is just me but if I asked the HR person and was told some type of BS and you are still presenting as male I would then tell them I am transitioning since it seems in California that gender identity is covered under anti discrimination policies. If you haven't said anything yet about transitioning and you are getting a runaround make sure it is known.
This is going to be a hard step for me, but I'm just going to have to take the plunge and do it. As I said before, many in the company (bosses included) are strongly fundamentalist. I've heard a few owners / bosses say they consider it a 'christian company'. Even the HR lady is hardcore Christian. But I think I'll just take your advice and come out... I can always start out by leading up to it and saying 'is there anything wrong? performance? appearance?' And then if I still get the run-around I'll just come out and say it and see if anything's been sad to her. I can think of a couple co-workers that have remained nice to me (only a couple) since the early part of this year I could confide in as a witness.
QuoteIf they do fire you after or lay you off, remember they can fire or layoff for any reason that is within reason that goes against company policy but make sure you tell as many people that you are transitioning as you are walking out the door. Witnesses that can testify under oath. All they really need to know is 2 things 1. you are getting fired or layed off and 2. you are transitioning. The witnesses don't need to know what the company's reason is for letting you go but those two little facts may make a lot of difference in a courtroom or lawsuit. Don't start a conflict though. Don't make assumptions just say something like, "I just got fired and I'm transitioning". Don't say, "I got fired because I am transitioning." That is making assumptions and you can bet that reason will not be reflected in their records of why you were let go. "I got fired and I am transitioning." are just two facts you are stating while walking out the door. Just state it calmly but loud enough so that a couple of people can hear you and then write their names down once you are out of the building...
This is really good advice, as I said I feel extremely inhibited at this place but I'm sure I can at least do that or confide in a couple of people before exiting the building... god knows I'll never see them again. And I like your advice of just stating the facts, not making a scene or conflict.
Over all thanks a LOT for your advice and your time listening Jess

I know I type a lot of info XD I have my plan going forward basically once I'm set on the unemployment I can start my inquiries and the process of a lawsuit if neccessary, and at my next job I was going to have to be out anyways as my old job references are all under my old name... but thank God my next job I'll be able to be myself and not have to cross dress as the guy I used to be instead of the girl I am today

So it's a rough time of transistion and anxiety right now but I'm sure I'll be okay!!! Thanks everyone for your support <3