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what would be the absolute minimum % of "pass" could you live with

Started by stephaniec, July 24, 2014, 03:11:23 PM

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stephaniec

ok , "pass"  is such a sensitive topic, but what would be the absolute minimum could you live with.  10 % male show at certain angle, 20% without make up , 5% without make or any range between 0 % and 100% " pass". Would you be able at 0% if that was the only way to stop the pain. or is it just impossible below 90%.
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Evelyn K

Being mam'd on a consistent basis without makeup and presenting andro.
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Bols

For me it's the same as Evelyn. Although that's obviously separate to my internal feelings about myself.
Evelyn aka Bols
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stephaniec

Quote from: Bols on July 24, 2014, 04:32:32 PM
For me it's the same as Evelyn. Although that's obviously separate to my internal feelings about myself.
I think it be pretty cool to be at least enough to have people say ma'am no matter what you were wearing even if it was a first glance.
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suzifrommd

When I transitioned, I had no idea I would ever pass. I decided I would transition anyway, even if my origins were obvious.

It helped that I knew several non-passing trans women who were very happy with their transitions.
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mrs izzy

Comfortable in your own body and care not what others think.

There is no % other then you are 100% you.

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Auroramarianna

Everyone wishes to pass 100%, and I do too. I don't know how I'd live if I wasn't at least 90% passable, and I don't know how I will life if I turn out to be unpassable.
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Jenna Marie

I don't know... I wish I did, but the time when I was at that androgynous/guessing-time stage was so traumatic for me in all other respects (b/c transition was so new and I was still struggling a lot with it) that I couldn't say whether I'd be able to adjust eventually. I'd like to think I'd be one of those strong women who can bravely get on with life regardless, but - I just don't know.
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Eevee

I'm nowhere near this, but when I do try to pass as a woman, I'd just like to avoid stares. If I can do that, I'll be comfortable. I hate it when I become the center of attention.

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stephaniec

Quote from: Jenna Marie on July 24, 2014, 06:23:08 PM
I don't know... I wish I did, but the time when I was at that androgynous/guessing-time stage was so traumatic for me in all other respects (b/c transition was so new and I was still struggling a lot with it) that I couldn't say whether I'd be able to adjust eventually. I'd like to think I'd be one of those strong women who can bravely get on with life regardless, but - I just don't know.
I guess realistic it's very hard thing . given the nature of our social realm at the present where we're making progress towards acceptance ,but still quite a ways to go. How much social anxiety can you endure and what kind of support system you have. Like back in the early seventies I lived in New Mexico. At that time there were quite a few communes of various ways of life. I was lucky enough to encounter a lesbian commune. In that kind of situation transition is absolutely no problem because its a community. There were women of all degrees of humanness all living together and not caring of differences . Maybe some day society will get to that place where the word "passing" is archaic and has no meaning.
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Evelyn K

So I'm getting mam'd on a more consistent basis being 2 weeks after laser. My face is smooth it was a BIG STEP getting that beard shadow off.

I'm currently sitting here dealing with a lot of mind flip at the moment. WOW. I'm rather chortle.

;D
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kariann330

I would love 100% but I would be ok with 85% especially because I'll be starting late into 30, or early 31...aka my second 30th birthday
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Michaela Whimsy

Is this % of the time you get gendered correctly or % of your overall appearance that is in line with the gender you identify with?

For the first one it would be really tough for me if it wasn't at least like 95%, ( this is understanding that at there probably isn't any way possible for me to go from 95% male to 95% female with the wave of my magic wand.  Short term I am sure I will survive).

For the latter I think i would be more OK with a lower%,  knowing that a lot of the presentation is not just looks.  65-70% I think in the looks might be the best I might get.  No HRT yet (insure doesn't cover it) so this opinion/ guesstimate may change.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Michaela Whimsy on July 24, 2014, 10:55:59 PM
Is this % of the time you get gendered correctly or % of your overall appearance that is in line with the gender you identify with?

For the first one it would be really tough for me if it wasn't at least like 95%, ( this is understanding that at there probably isn't any way possible for me to go from 95% male to 95% female with the wave of my magic wand.  Short term I am sure I will survive).

For the latter I think i would be more OK with a lower%,  knowing that a lot of the presentation is not just looks.  65-70% I think in the looks might be the best I might get.  No HRT yet (insure doesn't cover it) so this opinion/ guesstimate may change.
I think what % is acceptable to navigate everyday life with all the problems that can arise and be satisfied that this is truely going to make you feel normal and satisfied you made the right decision
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Nicolette

Barring invasive examinations, my acceptable minimum percentage is close to what cis-women enjoy or endure, whatever that is. Is your absolute minimum dependent upon how transphobic the society is in which you live?
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stephaniec

Quote from: Nicolette on July 25, 2014, 09:44:58 AM
Barring invasive examinations, my acceptable minimum percentage is close to what cis-women enjoy or endure, whatever that is. Is your absolute minimum dependent upon how transphobic the society is in which you live?
not necessarily , it is a contributing factor, but the range you can achieve with HRT and and possible surgeries to make you feel your voyage is worth while
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irene95x

100% would be great! :3 I guess I'm gonna have to grow thick skin, though... I am only just about to start transition.
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Carrie Liz

I could live with around 75% or so. That's what I told myself at the beginning of transition, was that I'd be happy as long as an average rational person could look at me and gender me female. That way I'd feel comfortable correcting the minority who I didn't pass to.

And yeah, I was pretty damned happy back in February when I was around that 75% mark. Hearing "sir" still hurt on the couple days a week it happened, but most people I'd never met before were gendering me female, and I was pretty damned happy about that, and went full-time very shortly thereafter. (After getting fired from my job. >:() And I think I could have been perfectly happy if that was as far as I ever got. I'm glad I've matured mentally since then, but physically I felt pretty damned good at the time, and so excited that I was starting to pass more often than not, and I do think that with enough time, I could have found a way to be perfectly happy there.

I really don't think there's a set mark of "passing" that can automatically make someone happy, though. It's all mental. Some of the happiest trans women I know are the ones who are only moderately-passable, but forgive themselves for it and accept themselves as women anyway. And several of the most miserable trans people I know are ones who are absolutely gorgeous and passable, but are still hung up on not being cis. It's all a matter of forgiving yourself for your "flaws," (and we ALL have them in our own minds, even if nobody else can see them,) and deciding that we're not going to hate ourselves for them. That's the real key to being happy, is just being your authentic self without shame, and with a strong self-conviction that your identity is just as valid as anyone else's, whether you're passable or not.

Maybe that's a bit hypocritical for me to say, because I put myself through a mental hell of self-criticism before I started passing most of the time, and I was waiting to pass before I started feeling validated and accepting myself, but it did take that acceptance for me to move from a place where I was miserable and constantly hung up on the last 10% of the time that I wasn't passing, to being happy for the 90% that I was. I decided to quit being jealous of my 100%-passable friends.

I've heard a lot of trans women say very proudly "I'd rather pass 30% of the time than never," because they realize that they're happier than they were pre-transition, and take that as being enough for them. That's the ultimate realization, is that nobody is more "authentically female" than anyone else, and that passing is really pretty arbitrary, all things considered. It's basically just organizing people into a hierarchy based on a genetic lottery of age and ancestry and susceptibility to HRT. Which seriously isn't fair. I refuse to tell myself that somehow my identity is less valid just because my mom's side of the family has a history of broad shoulders, pointy Italian noses, and MPB.
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innainka

touchy subject indeed.
As with the term, passability is simply a realm of being transgender for someone who embodies the remnants of not only bodily character but as well the confines of remnant maleness. Now, this is not to say that this someone wants to do such, but she is reminded by that failed percentage of passing that she is not yet in the reality of a natal woman in a glance.

Painful and sorrowful feeling to someone who knows they are a woman yet unable to be taken as one, believe me I do know.

However, the reality of this perception does change when finality of any maleness is succumbed to being entirely and utterly a woman.
Passability is no longer applicable because even if 100% passable the precept of passability suggests someone who is masking something, when in fact when one becomes a woman within the visual aspect and already is a woman within since birth, congruity is achieved and that someone is simply just an ordinary woman.

So in the retrospect, no percentage of passability is adequate to embody the womanliness to me. Otherwise, I would be just a trans person, and that for me at least was no answer to my lifelong natal requirement, need and a dream of a girl, then a woman and NOT a trans person!
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Hikari

I have no idea, I mean I want 100%....if it were at which percentage could I no longer live, and would just kill myself with then, I mean I don't know, I am not about to be speculating about suicide again, my friends would read it and then would have an intervention.... Perhaps the phrase 'live with' was more like meant to 'be comfortable in your own skin with'?

I dont expect to always pass, but I intend on always passing, but anytime someone misgenders me I expect me to be really uncomfortable in my own skin till the sting of that dissipates.
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