Quote from: Natalie on August 20, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
Haven't you ever wondered why violent and sexual crimes are almost entirely a male phenomenon?

Perhaps because societies telling them that that's how they should behave to be a "real man".

Quote from: lxndr on August 21, 2014, 01:08:43 AM
Perhaps because societies telling them that that's how they should behave to be a "real man".

Yep. And woman on woman violence is severely under reported just like men who are raped. A lot of men are beaten by their wives/girlfriends/mothers and the whole "men are stronger so no" argument doesnt work unless people are willfully ignorant. I've seen it first hand in the states and even more here. Some people are just sh*tty, male or female. The worst beatings I ever received were from women.

When I was early on T I did suffer a second round of teenage angst in my early 20's lol unfortunately my mother got the backlash of that and I did act inappropriately on a few occasions, but it did settle back down.

But it's all down to each individual. Not everyone will experience the same

Quote from: Ayden on August 21, 2014, 02:52:36 AM
Yep. And woman on woman violence is severely under reported just like men who are raped. A lot of men are beaten by their wives/girlfriends/mothers and the whole "men are stronger so no" argument doesnt work unless people are willfully ignorant. I've seen it first hand in the states and even more here. Some people are just sh*tty, male or female. The worst beatings I ever received were from women.

Not to derail from the topic, but I'm kind of irritated by the implication that testosterone = raging monsters. I know a lady friend who was assaulted by women and beaten so badly her ribs cracked.

Quote from: Frank on August 21, 2014, 03:52:57 AM
Not to derail from the topic, but I'm kind of irritated by the implication that testosterone = raging monsters. I know a lady friend who was assaulted by women and beaten so badly her ribs cracked.

I agree. I certainly hope you didnt get that from my reply. I was agreeing with lxndr in that testosterone doesn't turn anyone into a hate beast, its a misconception. Anyone can be an abuser.

I've read accounts of FTMs on here who actually felt calmer when they started T because it was the right hormone for their brains/bodies.

And I agree with the posters here on the subject of over-stereotyping men and whatnot.

Quote from: Natalie on August 20, 2014, 11:44:07 PM
Brain chemistry has everything to do with anger and aggression. Testosterone's affect on the presence of certain chemicals may or may not increase or decrease aggression. There is all kinds of recent research that shows high levels of testosterone impacts aggressive tendencies and affects other hormones such as oxytocin. Actually, we know that testosterone has a negative impact on oxytocin. We also know that women naturally have higher levels of Oxytocin and serotonin so we are more passive, understanding and forgiving. It's why we form stronger social bonds with other humans and pets. Testosterone; however, has been found to counteract the effects of Oxytocin which is partly why men - generally speaking - are much less likely to be generous and trusting and more likely to react aggressively or be hostile. Funny how this accurately describes the social world we live in and current research has validated this over and over again.

you have to add brain structure to that equation. different brain structures require very different levels of particularly sex hormones. a trans man is still a man, and needs male testosterone levels for his brain to function optimally. just like male testosterone levels can get toxic to trans women.

also, i know women. many are aggressive, most don't resort to violence out of fear of not being accepted socially, not because they don't get angry. not because they don't want to harm others. man girls here are highly likely to hit back with a chair if the boyfriend gets violent with them.

even if some men get violent because of too high testosterone levels, nothing beats a woman's rage. a woman doesn't need much testosterone at all in order to gain the same or more confidence as any man.

the strongest bonds between owner and pet that i've ever seen, have also been between men and their horse or hunting dog. i've seen men save their children from abusive mothers. i've seen sisters maltreat their younger siblings, brothers so loving and caring as not even the parents could be.

so what's up with all this "science" based sexism.
you enrage the woman in me with posts like this. she is the beast that people need to watch out for, not any male side of me.

I agree with the others.
Also, I've known some pretty darn vicious women. It shocked the heck out of me to find out that people still think women in general are passive and docile.

Nearly every man on both sides of my family is a sensitive, even-tempered animal lover. The women in my family tend to be the polar opposite. So much for pseudo-science!

Thank you all so very, very much for the replies! I feel SO much better now.  And it makes sense that my body will accept the testosterone as what my brain feels it needs.
I love you guys. Have a good day!

Quote from: Declan. on August 21, 2014, 11:00:05 AM
Nearly every man on both sides of my family is a sensitive, even-tempered animal lover. The women in my family tend to be the polar opposite. So much for pseudo-science!

Can confirm, I am scared of the women in both our families.

But seriously, I haven't been on T that long and I'm on biweekly, but I'm already far more tolerant, calmer, and just happier all around. On the other hand, birth control and spiro (treatments I was on for intersex/hormone issues as a teenager)? Sent me into a fuming rage. I'm just not a temperamental person by nature, but my body knew something was wrong and my mood went to hell for it.

Preston, like you said, your brain knows what is supposed to be there. Stereotypes, misinformation and borderline pseudoscience abound on this topic. Just ignore it and do your thing!

I'm only comedically mad.

Quote from: Edge on August 21, 2014, 08:07:06 AM
Also, I've known some pretty darn vicious women. It shocked the heck out of me to find out that people still think women in general are passive and docile.

Thank you.

Every scar I got came from family came from female relatives, and more than one. Yes, one of my grandmothers is the sweetest little lady in the world and I love her. But, I got a lot of sharks in my family too. I was never beaten or locked in closets or told I was "a failed abortion" or anything like that by male relatives.

People think women are more docile. I don't get it. Anyone can be an ass, but I've had more women break me down than build me up. And it's not because I "grew up male". I was raised like every other little girl I knew. Just because I'm a trans guy doesn't mean I forgot what it meant to grow up female and that I never understood female roles. My mask is still more comfortable for me sometimes.

Here's the real deal: we aren't animals. We are not governed by a reptilian brain. We know right from wrong and we can control our behavior. Men who act out in anger can't blame their balls for it. They just never learned how to act like a big boy. Women who act out in anger can't blame PMS or cramps or mood swings. They never learned how to act like a big girl. No one reports violence by women because who would believe them? I've known boyfriends and sons who were terrified of the women in their lives, but even suggesting that they go to the police? They don't think anyone would believe them. When my grandmother left bleeding welts on me I went to my school nurse and I told her who did and what happened. They called CPS on my father. Sexism goes both ways, and if that isn't sexism what is it? My dads a dick BUT he never laid one hand on me or any of my brothers. No man in my family did. The disappointment was enough of a punishment. And don't even get me started on what I see here.

As for relationships, anyone who says women develop deeper relationships naturally, I call shenanigans. HUMANS develop deep meaningful relationships, not chromosomes or hormones.


If anyone wants to donate any of these kind women into my family, please let me know.

Sorry to derail the thread. This sort of myth gets my inner woman in a twist.

OP: you're gonna be fine, man. Most of us end up so laid back we'd be better suited to relaxing on a couch that going into boxing. There's a reason a lot of older guys get bellies and tell dad jokes.

I had a lot of issues with anger before T. Punching holes in walls, throwing/breaking objects, hurting myself, uttering threats to people. It was bad, and it happened on a fairly regular basis.

Now I would NEVER respond to anything like that. Probably about 6 months into T, those feelings just went away and never came back. It's been 2 years and 4 months on hormones now. I still get angry but it doesn't even cross my mind to break things, mess up my walls, and I'd never threaten someone unless they were legit going to hurt my family or something.

I don't know if it was that I had a hormone imbalance as a girl, or if I found peace in being myself, or if I happened to work through a lot of issues...it's hard to say. But no, I'm not seriously angry on T.

Quote from: birkin on August 21, 2014, 06:51:40 PM
I had a lot of issues with anger before T. Punching holes in walls, throwing/breaking objects, hurting myself, uttering threats to people. It was bad, and it happened on a fairly regular basis.

Now I would NEVER respond to anything like that.

This! I used to punch so many walls. Now I'll definitely still think about it or imagine it, but it's amazing how much control I have over myself now. Before I'd just snap.

The traits must already be present for T to have any effects on them. It won't just whip them up out of thin air.

im hoping 2 go on T in a few months if things go well n ive heard all this isa myth but still gives me some fear..only bc I hava bad temper but it could b bc im xtremly stressed w my life stuff as well as living a double life..my main fear is end up lookin like my dad..

Quote from: christopher on August 20, 2014, 07:56:45 PM
The only thing I've noticed is I'm less patient in the car. ok seriously grumpy at times, but not acting out on it or anything

Yes, same here. Other than that I do get more frustrated when I'm losing at video games lol. Other than that I'd agree with the rest of the guys here, it's mellowed me out 

Quote from: lxndr on August 21, 2014, 01:08:43 AM
Perhaps because societies telling them that that's how they should behave to be a "real man".

While I agree with everything else everyone said about sexism going both ways and how women aren't necessarily sweet, little innocents, I have to disagree with this statement. So these men commit crimes, rape, murder, beat people to prove their manhood? I find that very hard to believe. It may be true that society expects men to be more aggressive and ruthless, but that doesn't justify any of their vile attitudes, just like PMS doesn't excuse a woman for a lash-out. If you ask a man why he beat and murdered his wife or why he robbed someone, he's hardly going to answer that he's a real man due to it. More like, he'd answer his wife was a slut who slept with other guys, and that he wanted money. There is explanation for why men tend to be more aggressive, but that doesn't deny that women can be aggressive. Woman-on-woman or woman-on-man violence is under-reported, but don't forget that Man-on-woman and Man-on-man is as well. Many kinds of violence are under-reported. It's still true that physical violence inflicted by men is by far proportionally larger than women. That doesn't make men pigs and women docile. When it comes to verbal or emotional, it is really roughly 50-50.

Rager before T, rager on T, lol. That's just my personality though.