I guess that I am an odd-ball again (I am used to it and actually I kindda like it) I have had great results from herbals I have small b-cup my hips have become rounder and and my waist has narrowed in I also listen to hypnosis to help. I do not doubt in the slightest that what people say is the truth about it being placebo effects but if it is placebo effects with the herbs I think that at least in my mind I believe that they will at least inhance the effects I'm getting and as far as weather or not the hypnosis is a placebo effect anyone who says any different hasn't really thought about what someone does with hypnosis. all you can do with hypnosis is try to convince the mind that the desired effect is going to happen and this is the definition of placebo effect but as long as it is working for me I am going to go by the old saying "if it isn't broke don't fix it" I am not trying to say that this is anywhere near a suggested path for anyone else from the sounds of it I have just gotten very lucky and if I didn't have the finacial difficulties I have i would have most likely gone a more convential route. just figured I would add my personal experience but please let me restate this one thing if you can do this the convential way it would be best! (it is kinnda wierd to use the term convential on this site is it not??)

Quote from: Jessie_Heart on September 25, 2007, 01:31:29 PM
I guess that I am an odd-ball again (I am used to it and actually I kindda like it) I have had great results from herbals I have small b-cup my hips have become rounder and and my waist has narrowed in

You sound like a very fortunate oddball to me.

I would love to go herbal but the research I did gave me the impression that it is just a waste of money for most people.

Quote from: MichelleT on September 25, 2007, 05:20:42 PM

You sound like a very fortunate oddball to me.

I would love to go herbal but the research I did gave me the impression that it is just a waste of money for most people.
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the place I get my from there are many people who have reported similar result on the message board there I am not saying that this means anything but that is what convinced me to give them a try! they have a formula that is supposed to supress testosterone and another for helping the body produce more estrogen ( this is only my understanding of how these are supposed to work I could be wrong) wich is what I wanted to do and it has turned out great for me but it may not for others.

Jessie,

Can post the url for the message board or email it to me. I'm not able to email yet.

Quote from: MichelleT on September 25, 2007, 05:40:52 PM
Jessie,

Can post the url for the message board or email it to me. I'm not able to email yet.

I sent you a personal message with the url!

Quote from: Jessie_Heart on September 25, 2007, 05:53:05 PM
I sent you a personal message with the url!

Thanks! Got it.

I'm unable to respond to the message, so I'll just say that giving me a url in no way makes you responsible for my actions. 

Quote from: MichelleT on September 25, 2007, 08:27:26 AM
So Estrace is made from soybeans. That is interesting.

Where did you find that? I looked around but was not able to find what Estrace is made from.

Posted on: September 25, 2007, 08:30:48 PM

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Quote from: morticia on September 25, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
Out of curiosity, how well is the Estrace working out for you?  I mean are the results satisfactory?

I welcome the deepening of my emotional responses.
I love the softness of my skin. The feeling goes all through my body and mind, making me feel like a sensuous woman.
I have small breasts, hoping for more. It's been a year and a half but I keep hoping.
I'm not sure if the growth of my body hair has been reduced any. I think it might be a little less. The hair on my head has stopped receding.
My face has benefited somewhat, looks slightly softer. At my age, I was aware of the likelihood of diminished results. The most important change is in how I feel within myself and how I relate to people. The softness in me is very wonderful.

Quote from: Hypatia on September 25, 2007, 08:37:46 PM
Where did you find that? I looked around but was not able to find what Estrace is made from.

Posted on: September 25, 2007, 08:30:48 PM

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/Estrace.asp?prodid=702


Posted on: September 25, 2007, 08:49:30 PM

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Quote from: Hypatia on September 25, 2007, 08:37:46 PM
I welcome the deepening of my emotional responses.
I love the softness of my skin. The feeling goes all through my body and mind, making me feel like a sensuous woman.

Mmmmmm.... that sounds wonderful.

Quote from: MichelleT on September 25, 2007, 08:53:11 PM

Quote from: Hypatia on September 25, 2007, 08:37:46 PM
Where did you find that? I looked around but was not able to find what Estrace is made from.

Posted on: September 25, 2007, 08:30:48 PM

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/Estrace.asp?prodid=702

Ah, thank you!

Posted on: September 26, 2007, 04:45:39 AM

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Quote from: morticia on September 25, 2007, 09:24:53 PM
The changes from the waist down are fairly radical.

Oh that reminds me, forgot to mention. That which I do not want has shrunk too.

Posted on: September 26, 2007, 04:47:02 AM

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Quote from: morticia on September 25, 2007, 09:24:53 PMBody hair is still a problem but it's slowly getting better but that's likely because I epilate my whole body, at least what I can reach.

That's what I had been thinking. HRT combined with regular waxing seems to be inhibiting the growth somewhat.

ive lost a significant ammout of what i had (not much anyway) due to hrt.
has this topic derailed into hrt effects?

it seems interesting, recent breast examination shows that im less mature than i thought, (worrying) im a large b cup, yet not mature? (9 months low hrt) do you think i need to worry about how big im going to get? looseing weight will reduce this right?
R

Depending how much weight you've got to lose, losing weight will either stall, or you'll lose some size.

I lost weight 185->160 (6 feet) (and I didn't look overweight by any strectch initially, my BMI was 25, now its 21.5). Breast size stalled since then, but without HRT it would have regressed. Breast growth compensates for weight loss if you don't lose too much. Right now, small 36C.

It also depends how much of the breast is gland, and how much is fat. If its mostly fat (possible at low dosage and if you have a bit of weight to lose), then losing weight will have more effect than if it was mostly gland and gland mixed with fat (intertwined).

nope, most of mine is actual breast glands not fat, ive had them since 14 or so, ive only been on a low dose due to my natural production of estrogen being high comparatively.
R

Quote from: Rachael on September 30, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
nope, most of mine is actual breast glands not fat, ive had them since 14 or so, ive only been on a low dose due to my natural production of estrogen being high comparatively.
R

When you lose weight, you only lose fat.  The underlying structures remain the same.

Quote from: Kira on May 27, 2007, 10:29:34 PM
I am wondering, how do most MtF's achieve the breast size they desire?  Do most get actual implants or do they use herbs?  I have wanted, and desire breasts and have began to consider breast implants.  Is this the best or are there other alternatives that aren't quite so risky?

I think it really depends on the individual genetics. I know for sure, that AGE has a lot to do with Breast Development in TS/TG. I myself started Hormones @ 17, now 25 In have a 36C (pushing on D), breasts.

I actually tried the herbal stuff at the start, their pretty useless (in my personal opinion).... I got a supple chest and maybe a 36A, swithched to Chemical Hormones after a year, within 2 years I had good sized C cups, and current pushing on to a full chested "36D" Cups...

Generally with Hormones, weather Breast or General feminization, I think alot of it is to do with Genetics and when you start taking hormones.

Good Luck.... Implants are always a final option.... 

It has more to do with genetics than when you started hormones.
Weight has also a lot more to do with it than most people realize.
Gaining 20-30 pounds can easily double the size of your breast and increase your band size.
If your very fit and trim, your breast will be smaller (the exact size depending on genetics).

Fat and gland tissue is intermingled in a mature breast,
so if you lose fat, you'll lose breast size FOR SURE.
Don't believe me, try it.
Why do you think women are often the wrong bra size,
because their weight varies and they don't change
the bras they buy or keep old ones.

Quote from: Lisbeth on September 30, 2007, 06:28:30 PM

Quote from: Rachael on September 30, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
nope, most of mine is actual breast glands not fat, ive had them since 14 or so, ive only been on a low dose due to my natural production of estrogen being high comparatively.
R

When you lose weight, you only lose fat.  The underlying structures remain the same.

Duh...
hence still having them since i lost weight
R >

Quote from: Beverly on May 31, 2007, 09:26:05 PM
Well well.....more boob chat.  We can't seem to get enough of it.  What about all the other wonderful things, like the wonderful changes that happen to your face?  Or the wonderful changes that happen to your bottom (Marcy loves my bottom.  I think it's kinda cute myself).  What about all the other things?  Women aren't just breasts, after all...
For me, I didn't think I'd ever get into an 'A' cup, then I thought I'd never get into a 'B' cup.  My 'B' is now a B+, and still slowly but surely going, even at 50-something.  I guess I'll end up a 'C'. 
That's on a proper regimen of estrogen 2 1/4 yrs, with spiro the last 10 months. My start date was Jan 15, 2005.
Relax.....give the magic of hrt time.
Bev

Boy howdy, you said a mouthful there, girl. Good ON ya! I started on Sandrena about the same time you did, roughly (March or April of that year, I think). Foolishly, started on my own, then a belated sense of responsibility kicked in and I went to see a TG-friendly doctor... painted by the numbers. I'm now on two sachets of Sandrena - per Doctor's order - and a tab of Cyprostat a day. I'm pretty sure I'm a B cup, although with my chest size (which has shrunk a bit, but not terribly much) I still look fairly blokey. Skin's nice, though, and oh, that feeling of contentment... who needs boobs? My calves are smaller - although I power-walk an hour every day! - and more shapely and the skin is just lovely. Boobs, schmoobs.

With me, things havent been fantastic

I've been on HRT now for just over 15 months (progynova - oestradiol valerate), 12 months with spironolactone. Started when i was 20. T went from high male to upper range of female and oestrogen is within all normal female ranges.

But now a year after buds started, im barely an A cup. Had a spurt recently after swithcing my oestrogen from a different type id been on for 6 months back to my original. But things have slowed down now.

My boobs are the biggest thing that gets me down. Not because its the most important thing (well ), but because its what im lacking the most of anything apart from the major thing. And my nose. (but im adamant not to change it for a long while!) which is making me feel a bit incomplete.

I've considered augmentation, but then i wouldnt get it at least for another year with will be after srs, which may help me a bit with the development. But then again, is there anything else i could do? adding progesterone or upping the oestrogen? I'm thinking of getting my bloods checked again to see how im doing, but then the appointment the get then discussed wont be cheap...

At a bit of a dead end of what to do really :/

Just want to wear something a bit more revealing on the top without having to worry about padding myself up just to make them look like breasts...

Rachael you are beautiful

People say mine are well-developed so far... And I'm about 4 months in or so?

Friends can see them through my shirt O_o