Just thought I would start a topic on Male Circumcision.

I saw this documentary last night on circumcision in my country. Only about 5% have it done in my country though I understand it is popular in the states. It said there has been recent research to suggest that it does reduce the chances of certain diseases - yet it sounds to me that these diseases are so rare that in practice it would make no real difference, like in the case for penile cancer or stuff that can be avoided by using a condom.

They showed it being done on a baby boy and it was horrific! Poor little tike  . I'm glad I avoided the knife.

The doco also talked about all the negative aspects like loss of feeling (something like 60% of you nerves are buggered) reduced sensitivity. One dude said it is like losing a symphony of sensation. Interestingly even the leader of the Jewish community of my country said it should not be done unless it is for religious reasons. Even he said it would be barbaric! Facinating.

I think it has important implications for MtFs seeking SRS. From what I gather the foreskin is useful material in the operation. Some of you probably have more information about this.

What are your thoughts on male circumcision?

Apparently if you don't have one you can create, regrow, your own through stretching. If anyone is interested I'll post some instructions. All you need are some really basic household items like elastic, a film canister, some first aid tape and a couple other things...But you can also buy purpose built tools to do it. I wonder if this would be useful for those seeking SRS?

I'm not setting out to offend anyone by this, but my opinions on the subject are pretty strong.  I think it's totally barbaric, and I don't see the point in cutting off a part of the penis.  I've been with both cut and uncut guys (though only one cut guy) and I just couldn't get past the fact that this guy had a part of his penis missing. Not that I would be cruel enough to say anything.  I think the thing that irks me the most is that it's done without consent.  A part of a baby is being cut off for no reason and the baby boy can't say yes or no to the procedure.  I would have nothing against an adult male making the choice to cut his foreskin off, but to me pinning down a child with straps and snipping off his foreskin for cosmetic reasons is child abuse.

Seconded.

Ho Hum... ive seen some of them methods of remaking your foreskin after it has been removed but never actually thought of wanting to have it bk anyway. I had my foreskin removed when i was about 5 and was not pinned down to have it done lol but had it done in hospital for medical reasons, or i so have been told. I would have like to have kept it myself but over the years looking at the polls and studies it has been somthing that i have been quite proud of. It's cleaner than those with it, increases the size slightley (allthough i would not really know if it would be the same size with it ) and many women do actually prefer an unwrapped package!

The big downer is the sensitivity issue! it is less sensitive. I dont suppose anyone knows how to fix that problem?

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Hum, interesting. I'm circumcised (it was the practice of the day and almost everyone I know is). I don't know if it will affect my SRS much or not.

Quote from: NickSister on September 24, 2007, 09:03:06 PM
Apparently if you don't have one you can create, regrow, your own through stretching. If anyone is interested I'll post some instructions. All you need are some really basic household items like elastic, a film canister, some first aid tape and a couple other things...But you can also buy purpose built tools to do it. I wonder if this would be useful for those seeking SRS?

Probably not. The inside of the foreskin is mucosa, same type of skin as the lining of the vagina. I understand intact males get wet. That'd probably be useful in SRS. If a circumsized guy stretches out the skin around his scar to cover the glans of his penis, the glans will be protected and probably get less keratinized and more sensitive, but he won't grow new mucosa.

QuoteWhat are your thoughts on male circumcision?

Barbaric! Barbaric! Horrible and barbaric!

It's one thing to choose it later in life, for hygienic or aesthetic reasons or whatever. But everyone should have the choice. The thing that gets me about circumcising babies is that they don't use anaesthetic. Can you imagine having A PART OF YOUR PENIS CUT OF WITHOUT ANAESTHETIC? They only do it to babies because they can't talk or sue you. They sure can scream, though! I've seen one on TV and it was horrible! Babies are just as sensitive to pain as adults. If people wouldn't subject their teenage son to circumcision without anaesthetic, why their baby son?

EDIT: Interesting thing. I just went on Wikipedia and looked up "circumcision" out of curiosity about how it's done these days. There's a redirect that reads: "This article is about male circumcision. For the practice sometimes referred to as 'female circumcision', see Female genital cutting."

Why don't they call it "male genital cutting/mutilation"?

Quote from: Doc on September 27, 2007, 01:49:09 AM
The inside of the foreskin is mucosa, same type of skin as the lining of the vagina. I understand intact males get wet. That'd probably be useful in SRS. If a circumsized guy stretches out the skin around his scar to cover the glans of his penis, the glans will be protected and probably get less keratinized and more sensitive, but he won't grow new mucosa.

I did not know that, must take a closer look here ... ... mine must be faulty, it just looks like the skin on the outside, maybe I wore it out 

QuoteI did not know that, must take a closer look here ...  ... mine must be faulty, it just looks like the skin on the outside, maybe I wore it out 

Ooh! I didn't know you could wear it out!

Quote from: NickSister on September 27, 2007, 03:43:26 PM
I did not know that, must take a closer look here ... ... mine must be faulty, it just looks like the skin on the outside, maybe I wore it out 

I learned this here:

http://circumstitions.com/Anatomy.html

Mine is made of silicone and in my life I've only played with two that didn't start their existance in a mould, and those two are both circumsized. I don't know dick.

Interesting. I did some research and I  think you are right. It would make sense that you could have mucosa in that area. (now that I look at it the area is shiny compared to the rest of the skin)

I have not noticed getting wet, except where you get some fluid comming out the tip pre orgasim. Maybe I don't produce enough stuff...or maybe I did wear it out 

I guess I don't know dick either 

when my boys were born I was never asked if I wanted them circumcised they just did it I didn't even know that there was a choice I thought they automatically just did it when a boy was born!

While I'm against it as a general rule, it's always interesting to hear the stories that go around. And while I can't say what goes on in other parts of the world I know it's much less "barbaric" than it used to be.
I have worked in a family practice and we did numerous circumcisions. We always used anesthetic. Also, the current method does not involve the use of a knife. We used a plastic ring that fit around the penis then the foreskin was pulled over and secured with a non-disolving suture. The foreskin, deprived of circulation, died and was shed just like the umbilical.
As for loss of sensitivity, I was circumsized as an infant but I certainly don't lack for sensitivity in that area.

Karen Lyn

I kind of always thought them to look more like a potato uncircumcised   I never saw one in person. Just pictures. So then a FtM that has one built seems to look a bit like that too. Just my opinion.

                                     Marco

Quote from: Marco on September 30, 2007, 08:05:55 PM
I kind of always thought them to look more like a potato uncircumcised   I never saw one in person. Just pictures. So then a FtM that has one built seems to look a bit like that too. Just my opinion.

                                     Marco

well since an uncircumsized one looks like an unpeeled potato to you and a built one looks like a unpeeled potato to you doesn't that mean they do a really good job of building one??

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Quote from: gothique11 on September 26, 2007, 08:45:06 PMI don't know if it will affect my SRS much or not.

I'm afraid it most certainly will.  The adult foreskin is about 15 square inches of sensual interface, including over half a male's sexual nerve endings. 

Hate to say it; I think an ethical doctor would admit to a circumcised male that there's not enough left to work with to do anything but make things worse in an attempted SRS.  Someone may feel post-op like the right gender, but will they "feel" anything? 

Warm Regards,
-Ron

Quote from: TLCTugger on September 30, 2007, 11:48:02 PM
I'm afraid it most certainly will.  The adult foreskin is about 15 square inches of sensual interface, including over half a male's sexual nerve endings. 

Hate to say it; I think an ethical doctor would admit to a circumcised male that there's not enough left to work with to do anything but make things worse in an attempted SRS.  Someone may feel post-op like the right gender, but will they "feel" anything? 

Warm Regards,
-Ron

for me if I was told that I without a doubt wouldn't feel anyting at all from that area after SRS it wouldn't matter to me I would still go ahead with SRS because I haven't used that area for sex for a long time and most of the orgasms I have are mental anyway. the SRS would allow me to feel like a complete person even during sexual encounters so I guess what i am saying is I personally wouldn't be losing anything from losing feeling there since I refuse to use the part that is there now!

I think those that are circumcised don't need to worry - your surgery will still be as successful.
If you did not miss the feelings before so there is no reason you would miss it after SRS.

I think TLCTugger has made it seem more of an issue than it is. I don't think it was very cool making people fear they don't have the same chance as anyone else. Not having a foreskin does not mean you won't feel anything and I don't think it reduces your chances of successful surgery. In the scheme of things you could call it bonus material.

And my friends who were circumsized and have since had SRS have had no problems with sensitivity so I'm not worried.

Karen Lyn

Hope this isn't cross posting - If so sorry :-(
(and delete it please)
I just thought it was on topic here and of interest to the thread

Re Circumcision with Suporn patients


I emailed the office of Suporn to find out what the story was on circumcision and if that disqualified anyone.
Here is the answer to clear it up :


RE Circumcision / DR Suporn policy


" The rumour you have heard has no basis. About 40% of Dr Suporn's patients are circumcised prior to surgery. Circumcision makes no difference to the outcome, and very little difference to the method Dr Suporn will use on the day. Only if the circumcision has been badly done with hard scarring, accompanied by a small penis would circumcision make any difference - and even then only to the degree of difficulty Dr Suporn will have in achieving an excellent result. In any event, such an unusual circumstance would - as far as the patient is concerned - have little or no effect.


Being circumcised does not affect sensitivity at all. The clitoris and secondary sensate area is created from the glans penis tissue, which is present whether the pre-operative condition is circumcised or not.


Similarly, prior orchiectomy (castration) similarly has little effect on the outcome, unless it has been done with bilateral scarring on the scrotal sac, is accompanied by a very small circumcised penis, and the scrotal sac has atrophied or hardened."


Hope that helps !