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M2F - what industry or sector do you work in?

Started by Julia-Madrid, September 01, 2014, 04:15:53 PM

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Girls - let's find out where we're all working (or not)

Agriculture
0 (0%)
Accounting and financial
10 (7.6%)
Medicine, healthcare, pharmacy
17 (13%)
Legal
2 (1.5%)
Transport
3 (2.3%)
Public sector
2 (1.5%)
Education
5 (3.8%)
Energy
3 (2.3%)
Media, publishing, broadcasting
5 (3.8%)
Engineering and telecom
9 (6.9%)
Software
18 (13.7%)
Retail
5 (3.8%)
Entertainment leisure
0 (0%)
Food, beverage, restauranting
1 (0.8%)
General manufacturing
2 (1.5%)
General services sector
2 (1.5%)
Sex worker or industry
0 (0%)
Other
21 (16%)
Student
9 (6.9%)
Retired or just don't need to work
9 (6.9%)
Unemployed for less than 6 months
3 (2.3%)
Unemployed between 6-12 months
1 (0.8%)
Unemployed for over 12 months
4 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 111

wanessa.delisola

I really have a hard time  dealing people.  Sometimes I just wish to work on a human free environment lol but most of the time I like helping people.  I just wish it was more simple
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Wynternight

Quote from: wanessa.delisola on September 03, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
I really have a hard time  dealing people.  Sometimes I just wish to work on a human free environment lol but most of the time I like helping people.  I just wish it was more simple

I should have been a vet. I like animals more than people!
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Jaime R D

Quote from: katiej on September 03, 2014, 02:49:18 AM
It seems like a lot of the jobs represented here (engineering, software/web development, finance, etc) are task based and don't require us to deal with the public.
I'm in retail and I actually like working with the public, both regulars and strangers and dingbatters.
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Jera

Quote from: Wynternight on September 03, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
I should have been a vet. I like animals more than people!

My dad always told me I should be a vet (still does), because of my "affinity for animals." My mother told me I should write. Guess which one I listened to? :D
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alabamagirl

Quote from: Jera on September 03, 2014, 03:46:42 PM
My dad always told me I should be a vet (still does), because of my "affinity for animals." My mother told me I should write. Guess which one I listened to? :D

Your mother, I hope. Even I can tell you have a talent for expressing yourself through written word. I love reading your posts here, Jera.
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katiej

Quote from: lori_is_here on September 03, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Analytical mindsets really prevail in the IT field! :-) plus we are problem solvers so we constantly work on any problem until its solved. Thus we had a problem and now its corrected :-P

This makes sense.  By trade I'm a financial analyst, and currently work as a financial controller.  Problem solving is what I do.  I think what I like about it is that I work with systems, and I'm not tasked with changing people's behavior.  Sometimes the problem in a system is people-related, but my job is to identify the problem.  Then someone else can handle the change management.  :)

Also dealing with co-workers or clients is a lot different from dealing with the general public.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Lynne

I picked Software from the poll, but the reality is a lot more complicated.
I worked for a software company the last two years in QA and as a system administrator. Before that I worked in hardware manufacturing mainly as a technician.
However, in the last 11 years I had side jobs as 2D/3D graphics artist and I also managed the software and hardware in the little movie studio I worked for as a video editor.

I don't have a job now, I'm working on my 3D graphics skills and in my free time I'm helping out the local trans organization mainly with video and graphics editing. I also helped them at events like the 5th European Transgender Council or at their tent on the Sziget Festival and it seems I am part of the organizer team for their next event too.
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Shannon14

Quote from: Wynternight on September 03, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
I should have been a vet. I like animals more than people!

Problem is, we still have to deal with the owners  :P
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Hikari

I want to work in IT, but I always seem to find jobs in the transportation industry, be it moving people, industrial orders, or even food, I always seem to end up moving things around.
15 years on Susans, where has all the time gone?
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Eva Marie

I happened to stumble into the IT industry many years ago, and now I do computer programming for a medium sized company in the Los Angeles area.
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whatever

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wanessa.delisola

Quote from: Shannon14 on September 04, 2014, 12:29:54 AM
Problem is, we still have to deal with the owners  :P

Pet owners are almost as  bad as parents...  And I say this as a patent and pet owner lol
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LadyoftheRockies

I seem to want to make things hard for myself: I'm an introvert and I currently work in jewelry sales while studying Architecture. I have a second interview to work at the Apple store in downtown Portland, which has county and city laws in place to eliminate discrimination, as opposed to where I currently work where they are legally able to fire me with no reason at all.
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Kaylin Kumiho

I actually have an interview in an hour for a job with the state government. If I get it, it'll be my first real job!
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Julia-Madrid

Reflections and a further challenge

Ladies and friends, thank you for taking this poll to over 100 responses.  Now some reflections and questions:  I can understand why healthcare would be well represented, but let's dodge the reasons for this for a moment, other than to say that the caring professions might be places where we are more accepted. 

Who is missing from this poll? We cannot all be represented here.  Sex workers, and the socially marginalised girls are probably not on Susan's, nor are those who feel uncomfortable with internet and self expression.  How big a segment are they?  When I attended a group therapy program in Madrid, almost all the girls were jobless or directionless, so maybe this is a large and unrepresented segment in our survey.  But they all had smartphones, so habemos internet.

The real conundrum for me is why so many of us are in engineering and software, which are such archetypal male professions.  A bit of pseudoscience (and feel free to shoot it down):  in utero, before the expression of T, we are all female.  It's the "natural state" for future development, and is modified by T.  So, pseudo theory continuing, given that M2F strongly outnumber F2M, could we hypothesise that the expression of T has not reached all the parts it should reach?  Ok, well in that case surely more of us would start life as very "girly" boys?  And whether this is the case or not, if T has under-expressed in our brains, wouldn't we have a tendency to go for more "female" professions?  So why are so many of us in the two aforementioned professions??  I know I have merrily gone skipping over a mass of science and biology in a way that would make large parts of the medical and scientific profession wince, but let's start with it.

What are your thoughts?

Xoxo
Julia

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Rachelicious

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on September 06, 2014, 03:47:34 AM

What are your thoughts?

Xoxo
Julia

First of all, great poll and post! It's interesting to see the spread and yes, there are quite a few Software and Healthcare ladies.

Because I'm trying to approach some of the same questions in slightly different ways, I highly recommend checking out the "What is your MBTI personality type?" below. This test is widely used in matching careers/jobs to people, and we have some very interesting results within.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,135864.120.html

TL;DR - About 55%+ of the 140 people polled have personality types that are less than 10% of the general population. Especially note INTJs and INFJs (the two rarest) are about 14-17 times more common here (!!)

We've long known transgender people are usually above average in terms of intelligence, and that explains the preference for high-intellect jobs like Software, but that's also a generalization that doesn't account for different kinds of intelligence or different cognitive functions.

Looking back to the sacred and important roles Native Americans gave two-spirit people, I think they were aware of these personality types as simply predispositions towards elusive and valuable ways of thinking that, categorically, are far more common in us than in the general population. These personality types are not 'male' or 'female', they are simply rare at all, and many of these ancient cultures found the best accommodations they could.

PS. Introverted Intuit poll that I'm running, please take if you're an IN-type:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,172713.0.html
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Jera

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on September 06, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Reflections and a further challenge

Ladies and friends, thank you for taking this poll to over 100 responses.  Now some reflections and questions:  I can understand why healthcare would be well represented, but let's dodge the reasons for this for a moment, other than to say that the caring professions might be places where we are more accepted. 

Who is missing from this poll? We cannot all be represented here.  Sex workers, and the socially marginalised girls are probably not on Susan's, nor are those who feel uncomfortable with internet and self expression.  How big a segment are they?  When I attended a group therapy program in Madrid, almost all the girls were jobless or directionless, so maybe this is a large and unrepresented segment in our survey.  But they all had smartphones, so habemos internet.

The real conundrum for me is why so many of us are in engineering and software, which are such archetypal male professions.  A bit of pseudoscience (and feel free to shoot it down):  in utero, before the expression of T, we are all female.  It's the "natural state" for future development, and is modified by T.  So, pseudo theory continuing, given that M2F strongly outnumber F2M, could we hypothesise that the expression of T has not reached all the parts it should reach?  Ok, well in that case surely more of us would start life as very "girly" boys?  And whether this is the case or not, if T has under-expressed in our brains, wouldn't we have a tendency to go for more "female" professions?  So why are so many of us in the two aforementioned professions??  I know I have merrily gone skipping over a mass of science and biology in a way that would make large parts of the medical and scientific profession wince, but let's start with it.

What are your thoughts?

Xoxo
Julia

I don't think these results are particularly surprising, personally. Looking at the poll more generally, and not toward any specific fields, there's an overwhelming majority in disciplines of a more mental nature, and the more physical (i.e. "male") disciplines seem almost wholly unrepresented.

There's a great deal of social variables to consider that might explain that, more than I can say in a single post. One I find perhaps relevant, is that I do not think either of the fields you mention really are strictly roles filled by a masculine archetype, though they are certainly highly dominated by men. Rather, cis girls are actively discouraged from pursuing interests like that, so I think it's more about a lack of women pursuing these careers, rather than them being "male" careers. As trans, our social conditioning is different, and we were not so discouraged in this way. Of those men who pursue these career, I notice (unscientifically, of course) a stereotypical beta-male presence. Culturally, computer guys are not exactly regarded as the manliest of men, anyway. I wonder if more women would pick a career like this without the cultural pressure to choose a more social role/career.

Psychologically, professions like engineering or software development (and similar) are very creative careers, and creativity is generally considered to be a mildly feminine trait. Perhaps also interesting to consider, is that these kinds of activities provide some measure of control over our environments. In applying some of yourself to these systems, you can have some measure of orderly results in your environment, especially if we feel like we have so little control over our inner nature.

I've totally glossed over these points, but it's just a few things I think might be worth considering, though there's so much more to it. I don't feel like I've done them justice, and I could be totally wrong anyway.
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Julia-Madrid

Bravo Jera

You've hit some very strong points, as I'll certainly agree that those two professions aren't exactly strong in alpha male types.  But I am not so sure whether cis women are under-represented due to social conditioning or brain affinity, if such a thing can be proven to exist.  A small spanner in your works: if those professions have fewer alpha males, shouldn't it be a less threatening / more attractive place for all women, cis or trans?

Please feel free to go deeper if you want - sit down with a beer (sherry?  ;)) and let fly. 

Hugs
Julia
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Teela Renee

Im a in home health aid for alzheimers and dementia patients.  Used to do that full time till I started college and now im a full time student and work my 30 hrs on the weekends.  Workin on a degree to be a gender therpist/counsilor so I can work with the trans community in my area. Im also a self employed artist.
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Jera

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on September 06, 2014, 05:23:35 AM
A small spanner in your works: if those professions have fewer alpha males, shouldn't it be a less threatening / more attractive place for all women, cis or trans?

I honestly don't feel like it's a question of being threatened. Rather, it's more about appearing threatening. To succeed in those careers, you have to be very intelligent. Intelligent women are generally considered rather threatening, even intimidating, and most women (typically, anyway) will tend to downplay their intelligence, rather than choose a career that emphasizes it, or even highlights it.
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