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U.S. doctors will not take Medicare. UPDATE! I am in deep now!

Started by Jessica Merriman, September 11, 2014, 08:00:48 PM

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Jessica Merriman

This is a letter I just received when I inquired about SRS being covered now that the trans care exclusions were lifted. It seems the lifting of the trans exclusion was just a political ploy and nothing will come of it. I have seen Medicare work when I had Gall Bladder removal surgery. The hospital billed Medicare and the patient was responsible for any shortage or deductible. This letter makes no sense except SRS Surgeons have gotten comfortable with private pay and the fees they charge is my only conclusion. For those of us dependent on Medicare it seems we are still second class citizens with no right to have the appropriate treatment for our condition. Yes, Medicare lifted the trans care exclusion, but if no one accepts it I consider it a public relations stunt. Some things never change. Looks like my dream is going to die.  :(  My comments in the letter are bold type :(

Hi Jessica:

The whole trans community is excited by Medicare lifting the ban on transgender surgery.  Unfortunately, there are several issues that the trans community is either not aware of or doesn't understand completely.

When an insurance company says it is going to "cover" a procedure, it does not mean that it will pay the surgeon's fee in full. (This is true) It means it will pay some amount of money it has assigned to that specific procedure less any copay or deductible associated with the patient's policy.  With insurance companies other than Medicare or Medicaid, a surgeon's office can pre-authorize a surgery.  Medicare does not allow for pre-authorization of surgery (this is totally untrue. Medicare always pre authorizes surgical procedures).  They require the surgeon to perform the surgery and submit for payment.  They will review it and if approved, they will pay some amount of money.  Medicare's reimbursement is extremely low, and if a surgeon accepts Medicare, he/she must accept what Medicare pays and cannot balance bill the patient (as can be done with other insurance companies)(Totally untrue as I had to make the difference up on my Gall Bladder surgery).  So, it is quite possible that a surgeon accepting Medicare can perform a 4,5,6,7 or 8 hour surgery and either not get paid at all, or get paid only a minimal amount of money (total garbage). 

We not accept Medicare or any other insurance.  We do however "cooperate" with other insurers (Wait, you just said you do not accept Medicare or any other insurance).  We cannot do that with Medicare (another untruth).  Non participating surgeons cannot bill Medicare for their services, and patients who have procedures performed by non-participating surgeons cannot bill Medicare independently for the surgery (true as surgeons have to be approved to provide services). 

I do not know of any surgeons, trained or experienced in gender identity surgery, who accept Medicare.
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ImagineKate

Wow, that's absolutely horrible... I really shudder to think when I have to go on medicare in 30+ years that I'll have to put up with the bureaucracy and pushback from doctors.

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Rachel

I am so sorry, this hurts, hugs.

I know a few girls were talking about it in group last week. They will be very hurt.
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Jessica Merriman

Sorry, I forgot to say this letter was from a very large and respected Eastern U.S. Surgery Center. Blonde moment or something.  ::)
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Dee Marshall

One of my clients is going to be very disappointed. I think I'll wait a bit to tell her, she hasn't even started HRT yet, do maybe things will shake out better before she gets serious about SRS.

Have to tread carefully with the young transgender mentally ill. I'm not entirely certain she's mentally I'll, though. Could be misdiagnosed GD.
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Jill F

Seems most qualified SRS docs won't even take insurance.  My plan will theoretically cover it, but what good does that really do?
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Jill F on September 11, 2014, 08:45:37 PM
Seems most qualified SRS docs won't even take insurance.
That's what happens when people get into the medical field for the wrong reasons. Once they get used to private pay and have people who will pay it no matter how high the bill, why help us poor people out. It makes me so angry! I had to have two years education and clinical rotations to be a Paramedic. I was out in all types of weather, in hazardous situations constantly, exposed to G-D only knows what chemical and radiological, Shot at, run over, exposed to every pathogen in the world and never knew if I would go home at night. What was the starting salary then in a large metro area with a population of 575,600? $6.15 and hour! Yes, I got into medicine to help people, not become a millionaire several times over. Sorry, but I am so pissed off right now!  >:(

This is not drama, but I will not survive long without SRS. It is simply a must for me. I have put my whole life on hold just waiting for it. I may seriously have to bankrupt myself to afford it, but I have to have it one way or another. :(
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Shantel

Welcome to the real world! I've never entertained the idea that any specialty surgery will ever be paid for on the taxpayer's dime, they are squirming under the standard load already. In their purview SRS and FFS and all the things we hold so necessary falls under the same heading as cosmetic. Most insurance policies don't even cover cosmetic surgeries unless you've put your face through the windshield of your car in an accident.
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Jill F

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on September 11, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
That's what happens when people get into the medical field for the wrong reasons. Once they get used to private pay and have people who will pay it no matter how high the bill, why help us poor people out. It makes me so angry! I had to have two years education and clinical rotations to be a Paramedic. I was out in all types of weather, in hazardous situations constantly, exposed to G-D only knows what chemical and radiological, Shot at, run over, exposed to every pathogen in the world and never knew if I would go home at night. What was the starting salary then in a large metro area with a population of 575,600? $6.15 and hour! Yes, I got into medicine to help people, not become a millionaire several times over. Sorry, but I am so pissed off right now!  >:(
I think there's some people out there who seriously need a date with a Black and Decker Pecker Wrecker.  >:-)
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KimSails

Hi Jessica. A few months ago I requested some information about GCS from the Univ of Michigan gender services group. I was told that they were swamped with requests from Medicare. Presumably that means that they take it. Might be worth an inquiry?

Kim :)
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on September 11, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
Yes, I got into medicine to help people, not become a millionaire several times over. Sorry, but I am so pissed off right now!

I can understand how you feel about the entire situation. It's really screwed up.
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Blue Senpai

It was a public relations ploy, I read into the fine print and I hate how well known trans people (@skylarkeleven) are posting links without reading them.
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Shantel

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on September 11, 2014, 09:00:21 PM
I can understand how you feel about the entire situation. It's really screwed up.

Yup, I so agree. I was trying to save the world from Communism and came home to people who spit in my face and pissed on my pant leg, That't the way it is in the world we live in. Try to do the right thing and they bend you over a log!
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: KimSails on September 11, 2014, 09:00:10 PMA few months ago I requested some information about GCS from the Univ of Michigan gender services group.
Unfortunately even if you have a letters from qualified medical providers per WPATH standards for SRS University of Michigan Gender Services makes you start from square one. You have to go through the entire process with them and their staff. Therapy, HRT, etc. I already tried. Thanks anyway!  :)
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Jessica Merriman

I think it as so bad that Medicare now covers HRT and labs just to give you false hope of a happy future. Sorry this is turning more into a rant everyone. It was just my concern to get this info out to all who were hoping things would change. Massive depression is now setting in so I better go now.  :'(
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mrs izzy

I Think the doctors will catch up but not many that do a what we call top rated surgeons I see will lag behind.

I think there will be more Doctors to do the surgery just will be that moment of lag.

With demand always come supply.
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Jessica Merriman

I am half way through a whole bag of Oreos.  :'( :'( :'(

I used the Medicare formulary and had just enough to cover the co pay, airfare and hotel for 14 days anywhere in the U.S. Now it looks like I may as well donate to an animal shelter or something. I feel the dream is dead and I will be stuck with this cruddy birth defect forever now.  :'(
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stephaniec

well, I was one with their hopes up. just hope for a change in direction.
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Felix

I've known a lot of medicare patients, and they tend to struggle almost as much as uninsured people do. Paperwork alone sometimes keeps things from happening quickly enough to matter, and like was said, providers are often unwilling or unable to fully treat people who pay that way. It can help to seek out places that offer indigent care and payment plans, as they are more used to getting what they can and providing whatever treatment is most necessary.
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