Quote from: Aisla on August 29, 2014, 08:39:29 AM
ENTJ here

It would be quite curious if all tose having Enin their primary functikn were from non-binary part of population....

Quote from: Jera on August 29, 2014, 05:55:29 AM
I'm also INTP. Which, according to one of the people who tested me, is one of the rarest ones... yet it's so common here. I wonder why that is.

The four INTJ functions, in order, are:

Introverted iNtuiting:   Foreseeing implications, transformations, and likely effects.
Extraverted Thinking:    Segmenting, organizing for efficiency, and systematizing.
Introverted Feeling:  Valuing and considering importance, beliefs, and worth.
Extraverted Sensing:   Experiencing and acting in the immediate context.

Note that INTJ and INFJ, which are the two most common types here (and the two rarest in the world at large) are also the only two types with Introverted iNtuiting as their primary function.

More about Introverted iNtuiting:

Quote"Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us.

A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden "Aha!" or "That's it!" The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future.

Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions."

Obviously there is some connection between the yet-unaccounted-for prevalence of this cognitive function and the gender status or background of those surveyed. Certainly many of its manifestations - visions, dreams, transformation, reading into signs, complex concepts, innovation - have everything to do with one's identity and transition.

All I can say right now is we NEED an actual formal study on this subject. It's too special of a seashell is to just put on a shelf and forget about. For all we know a study based on our data could help unravel what shapes the development of cognitive functions.

Thoughts?

Ive taken the test a few times the last few weeks and I end up with

INFP + ISFJ . I think I am a mix of those when I read the descriptions

By the way, I made a new thread focusing on the unusually huge percentage of really rare types here like INFP, INFJ, INTP, and INTJ. Find it below:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,172713.0.html

It seems as though I'm an ISTP. It fits pretty well.

Though in general I will remain passive, if something strikes me as important then I go in full speed. An inherent need for risk and excitement and a free spirit by nature. I tend to be fierce when it comes to protecting my friends, and people that need it as well. I'm not sure if that ties in or if its another contradiction. It seems like theres a lot of those in the personality type in general though.
I like it. 

I am an INFP according to the test, fits well for a lot of the time. Sometimes I slip into something very extroverted and stupid, but I don't care much about that side.

Quote from: Catherine W. on September 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
Sometimes I slip into something very extroverted and stupid, but I don't care much about that side.

Not sure that's a fair assessment of extroversion (at least, not necessarily extroversion in the MBTI context.) But since you also mentioned testing INFJ and possibly ENFJ in my other thread, here are the differences between the two:

INFJ:
Primary: Introverted iNtuition (Ni)
Secondary: Extroverted Feeling (Fe)
Tertiary: Introverted Thinking (Ti)
Inferior: Extroverted Sensing (Se)

ENFJ:
Primary: Extroverted Feeling (Fe)
Secondary: Introverted iNtuition (Ni)
Tertiary: Extroverted Sensing (Se)
Inferior: Introverted Thinking (Ti)

Hardly so different at all, are they? They're virtually mirrors of one another, INFJ and ENFJ, and certainly much more alike than, say, INFJ and INFP; which despite the illusory similarities, are about as black & white as could be in functional differences. They often have similar likes or interests, but INFP literally centers around none of the same cognitive functions as INFJ/ENFJ.

Curiously, the secondary Fe function of INFJ makes them one of the introvert types most likely to be mistaken by others for an extrovert. But there's truly no "strict introvert" or "strict extrovert" in MBTI. Whatever your first letter is, two of your top four functions are going to include the opposite, and one of those is a function you'll actually use quite often (your top two functions are the basics of how you operate.)

And if this seems overly intellectual (it's not) it's simply because I've been into this for awhile and I find surface-level MBTI generalizations particularly naive to the learning and self-discovery process the system can offer if you understand the mechanics of how it works.

  Very interesting. ENFJ  I have been a manager and teacher of skilled workers all my life. Most of the % were low ,less than 15% except for assertive which was 44%. I would guess maybe fluid ?

Percentages for the letters are basically irrelevant. They exist because of a fixed number of questions & answers in the test format, strictly to guide you towards the type that is most likely you. I've fallen into this trap before myself, too. IMO the fact that websites commonly lead people to believe these have significance, instead of confirming one's type via checking over the cognitive functions of any type(s) that may match you, is novitiate to the extent of dismissing the functions Isabel Myers found (hence, Myers-Briggs) or subsequent research that expanded her findings.

Being "only 55% J" or whatever means nothing on its own. Don't trust tools to do the work for you.

Also note the existence of Shadow functions, which are the four cognitive functions *not* your Primary, Secondary, Tertiary, or Inferior. These functions generally take much conscious effort to use and can make one frustrated or even destructive if a situation/job forces their extended use: just another reason employers love the MBTI.

ISFP

I am the only one apparently